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Oh trust me, I am aware people either don't get or don't prefer subtle acting, lol. I tend to be drawn to it as a rule, and a lot of my faves get painted with the "can't act" brush when in fact it's just that they aren't doing the loud, explosive emotions. And all my favorite characters tend to have an element of restraint to them. They don't explode, they internalize.

You may have a point about the bubble. Tumblr is extremely into Khaotung, like extremely, and I see things there about First that make me want to rip my hair out. I don't really go anywhere else - imo Twitter is a cesspit run by a Nazi and I'm just too old for TikTok. Maybe people are different there (although frankly the idea of Twitter being better than another place in any respect blows my mind a little, sorry). I don't know when it happened exactly (although I have my guesses) but there has been an increasing shift into this weird mindset there, where Khoatung is like BL Jesus and no one is worthy, and look, he's a great actor but come on. And it comes out in a lot of criticism of everything First does almost all the time...unless what he's doing is praising Khaotung or fanservicing that he's oh so in love with Khaotung. See a pattern? And I've noticed the preference for his characters following the same pattern. And I'm a fanfic reader and it's aaaaall over any fanfic with their characters. Which is why CFC feels that way to me. It's like these people saw what fandom was saying and went "oh that's what they want? Let's give it to them."

I can only speak to what I personally see. And I have seen quite a bit of "Tiger is a red flag because he's jealous / because he got sarcastic with Lynx / because he yelled at him a the funeral / because he's a manipulative boundary pusher (???)". And these were the same people watching Ray walk all over Sand's boundaries week after week and insisting Sand was the problem (and in recent months it's morphed into "actually Sand is what's wrong with their relationship, he's a controlling jerk who doesn't let Ray breathe and be his wonderful, sweet self, he's a pusher, etc". And don't even get me started on their opinions about Kant. So yeah, I do think there's some bias at work, lol. Alan actually gets a pass but I Think that's because he and Gaipa never actually wound up together. Even my poor boy Akk is starting to see some retroactive distaste, and my one comfort used to be that most people adored Akk.

And I know someone will call me a liar because lord knows if they haven't seen it personally it must not exist, but this is legit stuff I have seen. Just like I've seen the criticism of First's acting, singing, his English skills, his people skills, his personality, his face, his hair, his clothes (gosh I wish I were kidding) steadily increase and sometimes become a bit, well, personally nasty. And I do worry that it will have an impact on the roles that First is allowed to have, because lord knows they pay more attention to us than they should. And because apparently everyone at GMMTV is just like us (not me), and worships the ground Khoatung walks upon (another thing I've seen on Tumblr, lol. I don't know how true that is but it seems to be when he's the one getting to have characters with personality).

We are definitely going to have to agree to disagree, because I think if every other character revolves one other character then yes, it is in fact that we're stuck in a world where Main Character is the Only Real Character, and for me it's just not enough depth to care, and then I start to resent Main Character for being the only thing that matters. And it doesn't matter if Main Character is played by my favorite actor or not, which is the thing that people don't seem to grasp. It's also not about the lighter story, which people also don't seem to get.

It is, and has always been, that I have never cared for anything - be it fic or show (and frankly that's what this show reminds me of, fanfic by an author who has Main Character Syndrome and doesn't understand that other people have lives) - that revolves entirely around one person and there's no real sense that anyone else has a life outside of our Favorite, the Main Character.

First is doing the best he can with what he has been given, yes. He always does. My beef is that he's been given pretty much nothing and he has to basically create the character himself. Tiger is not a character - Tiger is a plot device who exists to push Lynx's actual plot and characterization forward. The hilarious part is people are *still* finding a way to hate him and call him a red flag. Weird how it's always a pattern with First's characters...

I do not hold the show responsible for fandom's reactions to the thing between Lynx and his mom. I DO hold the show responsible for the fact that hardly anyone exists outside of Lynx. It's a vehicle for one actor and one actor alone, and I DO blame the writers and directors for it. Producers too. Aof, I'm looking at you.

So we're five eps in and I think I was correct in my assessment at episode two. Tiger has zero depth and does nothing but nudge Lynx's plot along. I remember someone saying First seemed to have nothing to do while filming because he always seemed to be on twitter, and now we know why. At least there were cats for him to play with, since they also have taken a back seat to the Lynx Show.

Lynx's stuff is interesting. I feel very odd reading reactions to this on tumblr and seeing so much black and white thinking about it when it seems like the show is going out of its way to show that the deterioration of Lynx and Ms. Meow's relationship was a joint effort. Lynx is valid in his feelings that she loved the cats more than him, he's 100 percent allowed to be upset, but he also isn't seeing things through any lens that isn't his own highly personal / biased. And I get that.

But then there's the other side. How on earth was she supposed to tell him all these things he is so mad he doesn't know when he is the one who pretty much cut off contact? He had his reasons and I'm not saying they didn't feel right to him at the time, but she was reaching out. He was not. The deterioration of their relationship took two people, and I think assigning blame to either Ms. Meow for being an awful neglectful parent or Lynx for being a brat is too simple. It's literally the only plot in the show, guys, let's not yank all the nuance out of it.

I know eventually Lynx will wind up following in his mother's footsteps because that's how these shows roll, which is a little sad. If I don't drop it next week I won't drop it at all, so I do hope that if I'm still around, they manage to do it in a way that I can live with (I know it's cultural, and that means that while I can be dissatisfied I still have no right to tell them to change it. I will just be annoyed).

Also I think that Leo and Tiger should kiss. I know they won't but I miss the days when First was kissing everyone.

They let JJ have a love interest in THK. For the five seconds he was in it. :D

I didn't criticize them. I criticized the fandom and the way Tiger is written, Criticizing people who only want to see a live action fanfic of how they ship FK and criticizing the writers for giving it to them is not the same thing as going after FK. If anything I'm saying First is better than what he's stuck with when it comes to shows. Oh yes, so much criticism of FK there.

To what end though? Like what do you imagine my end game is here?

Whatever. Feel free to ignore me, it's not like you weren't anyway.

Nah, I have seen people retroactively deciding he wasn't that great in The Eclipse (like I said, tons of people think he peaked with Yok and never managed to do as well again and never will I guess), but it started with Only Friends and has been getting worse from there. Khatoung did great in Only Friends, but I didn't think First didn't do a good job. Personally I was really impressed with how restrained he played Sand and even then you always knew exactly what he was thinking. A lot of actors can't pull that off, imo. But that's when the stuff accusing him of riding Khaotung's coattails started and it hasn't really stopped since.

It might very well be where I hang out. It's just that it's assumed Khaotung is the favorite always. And as I came into this liking both it was jarring to see one appear so beloved while the other seems to be seen only in relation to said beloved. People aren't interested in First, they're interested in First loving Khaotung. Like I said I've seen some of this with other cps as a branch out, but FK were my darlings for a long time so I got hit in the face with it more there.

And you are right that First has increasingly talked about only Khatoung, but to be fair that's usually all he's asked about. I see stuff from fanmeets and fans ask Khaotung about his roles, his future plans, his family, his cats. First gets asked about Khatoung and how he feels about Khaotung, mainly. That's what I mean. I can't throw a stick in my neck of the woods without getting some info about Khaotung. First? Not so much. And part of that is what is shared, but some of it is also what people care to share when it it is offered.

It just seems like increasingly he's become an accessory to someone else's life in people's eyes. And yeah, it does feel like Tiger is everything those people want. The world of CFC is Lynx's, everyone else just lives in it. And that's how a lot of fans (from my perception) see FK in real life.

Thanks for calling me coherent! I guess the go to is to call people who say this stuff solo stans, but I don't think I am. I don't want them to stop working together or anything, and I hope that their next show will be more even in character distribution. And hey, this one is only two eps in although from the spoilers I've seen about the novel I don't expect much change.

Sure a character can be quiet and restrained and still have a ton going on under the surface. Sand is one of my favorite characters and he has plenty going on under the surface. I will argue that the show didn't do as well by him as it could of, but it did way worse by others so I won't complain too much.

What, exactly, does Tiger have? I know we're only in episode two but let's not pretend that we know equally as little about the actual lead of the show, or that Lynx doesn't have eons more personality and drive than Tiger. For me it's simple: if you can replace the character with a block of wood and not much changes, it's not a character. And this is nothing against First, who I am sure will do the best job he can with what he's given. It's just that to me, it's very very clear this is Khaotung's show and pretty much Khaotung's show alone. And fandom likes that because, well. I've already said. For them it's already all about Khaotung all the time. And I genuinely don't understand how what you're saying isn't proving my point in a lot of ways. Tiger is the character the fans wish that Kant and Sand would have been: a character whose life revolves around their particular favorite who is the center of the universe. Plus cats.

Excuse me, what?

I said nothing about anything but Tiger, please stop putting words in my mouth while claiming I'm doing the same. I said nothing about "always there to protect Khatoung's character" in the shows they've done, I said he was there to look pretty and simp in this one alone. I furthermore said that *fans* tend to think of them like that. Nowhere did I say this was common in shows.

I even said that Kant was some of the best work I've seen out of him yet. It's right there, black and white.

I also didn't say First was overlooked, I said he was treated like a lesser talent. Which I stand by. I have actually seen people say he's riding Khaotung's coattails, which is insane to me but hey, as you said, lots of people see what they want.

If you're gonna argue with me I'm cool with it, I love an exchange of views. But you need to argue with things I've actually said, not things you think I mean.

ETA I also think it's funny that I mention Tiger's non role in this show, and you kind of prove my point by talking about any other character but him.

Lol oh no, ime that is not the case, especially in pairs where people can talk crap about one of the actor's acting skill. There is definitely more than one. I noticed it a lot here because these two were my favorite cp for a long while, but it you pay attention you can see it with a lot of them. Apparently being in a Thai BL couple is like being Highlander, there can only be one.

Wake Up Ladies! He was so much fun in that! I think he just keeps getting better and better, but most of the fandom seems to think he peaked in Not Me (coincidence that it's the last show without Khaotung, our Highlander? Maybe), but I think everything he's been doing since has just improved. He was so great as Kant, and I loved his turn to villainy as Karn. Tiger is...well. At least First got to play with cats. Hopefully the next thing he does will give him something to do besides be really pretty.

I don't think they'd say that, no. Some or even most of them probably wouldn't even say out loud that they don't like First. They just overwhelmingly prefer Khaotung and talk about them like Khaotung is miles above First like it's a known fact and act like First's sole purpose in life is adoring him. Like I said, this show is a LOT of people's wishes come to life. It's noticeable by how First gets mocked constantly but Khaotung is completely off limits, the way that every show becomes all about Khaotung regardless of how much he's in it, the questions they ask (Khaotung gets asked about his hopes and dreams and future plans, First gets asked about Khaotung). They do play into it, though. Especially now.

For me, I like them both and think that they're very good. I was really happy when they got paired together because I think that their chemistry is amazing, and while I prefer First's style of acting a little more, I think they do well together and that if there is a talent mismatch, it's not a large one. And then I started spending more time in fandom.

I'm sure every cp has this sort of thing. I am just not interested in a show that seems to be catnip for that kind of fan.

My friend is allergic to cats and can't have one of her own but she cat sits for me all the time without issue. I think maybe people need to realize that there are levels of allergies. I am mildly allergic to avocado but can still (do still) eat them. I wish people would stop acting like they know all about allergies.

My genuine opinion thus far (which is going to get me in trouble) is that if you are primarily a Khaotung fan (which I think most of the fandom is, lol) you will enjoy it. If you like both equally or First best, I'd skip it, all he's doing here is looking pretty and simping (which is probably why the person who flat out says they don't like him likes him in this). It's basically fanfic with First as the audience stand in adoring Khaotung who actually gets to do things and have personality and a plot. So like 90% of FKT fanfic come to life.

The cats are cute but as someone who hates it when it's very clear we're only here to watch one actor Act, I am probably going to drop it.

Only one of them is actually acting, the other is just there to be an audience stand in.