Agreed. Even if he was a chaebol and they are expected to be authoritative and confident, Cha Min had no reason…
Indeed. I can understand Cha Min on this. The guy was pitiful due to his looks all his life. And suddenly he gets someone who shows him love even if it's not true. I get it. He wouldn't have wanted it to be true. But I get it only up to a point. At least it got fixed towards the end. He did accept it and came up with a good explanation why he still had to involve himself with HeeJin. What's FL? PBY's role this time is similar to her character in SWDBS(at least the dominant side since she had a shy one as well then). The way she's not reserved in her responses is the same.
I really don't like Go Se Yeon she is way too full of herself.I mean even before she died, how can she think she's…
She is arrogant about it, but she is qualified to be so. She knew she was beautiful and the long list of boyfriends as well as other stories we've heard/seen is enough. The fact that you die and revive in a new body though doesn't mean you can stop force of habit and personality. I supposed this drama will show character development where she learns humility or at least sheds the arrogance while Cha Min......gets more interesting.
I m ok with Cha Min being dead. He is such annoying character!I looove AHS, but the way writers did his character..oh…
Agreed. Even if he was a chaebol and they are expected to be authoritative and confident, Cha Min had no reason to be. By all accounts, he was a coward(freaked out in ep 1 when he tried to jump to his death, as well as, at the cat in the cemetary). He was no fighter(only caught Park Gi Nam because he was already half dead). He was a pushover(Go Se Yeon and other dominant characters could handle him well). He was duped by his golddigger girlfriend. Not to mention ignorant about many things(he was not even aware of simple things and he also had to be schooled about not using his previous phone or cards that could be tracked...seriously did he live under a rock? especially a chaebol should at least know that, no matter how much of a moron he is). So where the hell did he find the audacity and confidence to stroll around alone and do whatever he pleased, especially when the female lead is more experienced. Makes no sense. Nothing good about him as a drama character other than he was a nice guy who got revived with better appearance. I wonder if the next time he's revived, he'll get a better brain as well....
I'm watching this now and I can already see inconsistencies. The creators had a good thing going and about ep9…
Indeed. To be honest the Director and his son were rather good too. Quite the psycho duo and firm in their beliefs. Usually villains are more consistent and strong as characters only because creators(be it the writers,the producers or the directors) follow the idiocy route for the good guys. Which is seriously annoying when they portray the good guys as intelligent at first but betray that later on because it suits them. Here at least they did not overdo it with Kyeong Su or Bo Mi. Sure they had skillz but they were also rather young and rather out of their league for mind games. On the other hand when Bo Mi tried to kill her family's killer alone I got super annoyed. It's such a common mechanic to have them do it alone and jeopardize everything when there's absolutely no reason why they should have confidence in it. She had to be forced out of her house, what confidence did she have that she could face the man who made her like that for 5 years let alone kill him. The answer is...she got emotional about it. Great! Because there's not enough of that already(even though they did not use this cliche with Jang's backstory to my surprise).
I'm watching this now and I can already see inconsistencies. The creators had a good thing going and about ep9…
Prosecutor Kim especially is acting in the wost way.He never questioned the history of Nam's actions after Nam got away with SooJi(and no one questions why he drove to where he did instead of the police station or why he did not wait for backup as is protocol, no matter how a prosecutor tries to hurry you),nor the fact that SooJi is alive due to Jang(Kim saw the CCTV where Nam was pointing a gun at him) and knows they are cooperating after Jang's hostage situation(he did say there was no hostage situation to Detective Lee) and the best thing he can think of is to spill the beans to the Asssemblywoman. For someone who has come to understand that normal means cannot be used to take down Yoon(it should be painfully obvious when SooJi threw her badge away) and has seen SooJi's revenge expose Yoon's secrets(that had been covered up) and for all his love for her,he thinks the best action is to expose their plan before anything fruitful happens. That's just idiotic from a man who's depicted as smart and figures out who Jang is. And SooJi's character has issues too. First she throws her badge saying law is controlled by people like Yoon and then she blows up Jang's plan to expose Yoon.Why? Because she wants to give reasons to reopen her daughter's case. For someone who solved cold/unsolved cases(actually covered up cases) that's too narrow minded.Like she never learned her lesson. So long as Yoon is in power he can do lots of things. He still is in power at this point. You'd think she'd be determined by now but she responds to Jang ,when he says someone else would have covered it up anyway,by showing how weakminded she was. How difficult is it for her to understand that for Yoon to be thoroughly exposed info is needed, info that only someone that can get close to him can get.
Was really hyped to have stumbled upon this underrated gem till Episode 28.Then,sort of understood the idiocy…
I'm watching this now and I can already see inconsistencies. The creators had a good thing going and about ep9 I think they took a bad turn for climax' sake.
For someone as clever as Pil Seong, he reacted waaaaay overboard as a Detective by capturing the surgeon without…
Pil Seong's IQ deteriorates as he goes on. When he was at the hotel, even though he didn't want to show his police ID, it was better to do so early on because at the moment the suspect exited the elevator, he had already created a scene. Assuming the suspect didn't know about PS, it was still bad handling. Also the spot he was standing at was too obvious. He could still see people coming out from the elevators and recognize them even from a different position( say to the left as one gets off the elevator and heads towards the lobby exit. The spot he stood on was too conspicuous(showed when other people saw him staring at them). And then while spying on the suspect's house, he stands in the middle of a big window. He is too sloppy. Honestly, I'm starting to lose interest in this guy. He had a certain uniqueness at first but the writing so far has been to make him do a sequence of blunders that seems to lead to a cop turned rogue vigilante until female lead gets caught and police come at the end right at the moment when rogue cop has broken all laws to save female lead. This last part could just as well be some other cliche. The weirdest thing is that some people say that after ep10 it gets super interesting. Not sure how they can do that when the show is already going down this way. Episode 4 is such a let down.
i would actually welcome an eccentric and uncommon drama, but i dont thinks thats the case here, some plot are…
I agree. First off, the rookie cop is beyond stupid. Not really sure how he passed the detective exam. The other veteran guy is not particularly stupid nor clever. The captain is alright and grounded even if not cleverer than PS. PS is not really a stereotype. He's kind of walking contradiction. At first he was the chilled out veteran guy(at the bogus shaman at ep 1), then he was the pushover(as the female lead called him when she said he was pure and could see ghosts), then he was the unappreciated guy who actually had profound knowledge(in several scenes he either backed up a theory of his with data or with stuff they learnt at the academy) and then at ep4 he was the hotbloodied guy who lost his sh*t , rushed an arrest without evidence, reacted seriously overboard afterwards when yelled at and when he approached the suspect and he did not want to let go no matter how many times the "comic/stupid bunch" explained to him that he only had circumstantial evidence and got himself off the case and for good reason(even when he went for soju with the female lead, he still had not repented for his outburst). How can he be both a pushover and a hot-bloodied person at the same time? There's no clear vision for the character. Which is why some other commenters mentioned they are confused by this character.
Whole another level! I was stunned at the end of ep 10
I sincerely hope so because ep 4 is disappointing to me. The outburst of PS made no sense considering how the story has progressed so far and the way PS' character has been presented.
For someone as clever as Pil Seong, he reacted waaaaay overboard as a Detective by capturing the surgeon without evidence and he didn't even get why his captain yelled at him. Honestly this is a bit iffy. It's not like he was a detective before laws favoring evidence over gut feeling and conjecture appeared. While he has relied on hunch before when he spoke of his theories, he could always back it up with science(stuff he learnt at the academy or statistics from his research/experience). I get that he's a dangerous person and Pil Seong is anxious to get him, especially after seeing that little girl with the barbie. He seems to have taken it personal. Another reason I'm getting frustrated a bit, is that usually with cop shows, experienced detectives rush the arrest because there's really nothing to go on and/or the potential culprit frequently gets off the hook on technicalities or he doesn't leave anything beyond circumstantial evidence behind. Aside from that, the first arrest sets a mood for anything that comes afterwards. If the first arrest fails, you are already in the dangerous position of malicious persecution if you don't get enough evidence to seal the deal by the next attempt. So far, Pil Seong has found the culprit a bit easily I should say since his hunches have been right every time, and it's the first arrest. He rushed it unnecessarily, without having confidence in the evidence he had. More of a rookie mistake than an experienced detective's. Disappointing since it's kind of steering the case towards a contrived trope where more murders happen which spells more troubles for the detective.
Me too, it took me some time to register. Btw I sort of hear "Ω ρε πουστη μου" as well under his breath…
Definitely. Though that was far from broken. I wonder... was is a Greek who talked at that point, or was it the Korean actor who was phenomenally good? You can't see him say the words so it's probably the former but one can only dream , the same way one never expected to hear Greek in the first place in a kdrama :P.
Never been so suprised in my life i heard the dude say in the 6th episode at like 10 minutes 'Οχι ρε φιλε"…
Me too, it took me some time to register. Btw I sort of hear "Ω ρε πουστη μου" as well under his breath immediately afterwards. Kind of tricky but not unexpected.
Jin Goo is just superb in this drama. Contrary to the roles I've watched him tackle so far, this one is eccentric and a coward but still badass in his own way. Love it!
1) Ok I understand that the female lead would want to believe her sister still lives but come on...missing for…
Ep19 and it's a lot worse than 18. I don't have the strength to go into details anymore. This drama is going to suck the life out of me. I wonder how could anyone in the whole production team ever agree to this and how they don't seem to have tried to rectify it somehow(asking for rewrites etc). At this point I'm only continuing out of a sense of stubbornness and OCD like feeling I have to finish what I started(yes masochistic I know) and a pure sense of curiosity as to how much lower it can go. I think it has earned its place on the worst kdrama I've watched yet.
1) Ok I understand that the female lead would want to believe her sister still lives but come on...missing for…
Day 7th Dear diary, I am on ep18. I did not expect this to get worse as the end of the series nears. I was underestimating the writer and the director a lot. In some scenes I get glimpses of a could-have-been-a-good-story potential. I am now thinking that the writer is amnesiac every other episode. Sooo in ep18, Wol Gwang and Mu Seok decide to leave Do Ha behind to avoid any mix up and accidentally attack her while they try to capture the gumiho. That was clever of them....but not for long. When Wol Gwang leaves the others and exits the trap, he goes in alone. He grabs the gumiho tail from the table and then as he turns around, sees Do Ha. Now, I'd allow him to falter momentarily. Momentary faults are not problematic. Even smart people make mistakes due to reflex. But he saw her and didn't even flinch for the rest of their staring contest. She eventually reaches and grabs the tail from his hands and starts attacking him. At this point, anyone with half a brain cell would immediately assume(at the very least) that ok she's the fake one(they did come to hunt the fake one and they did leave the real one behind). But oh on, he actually asked her what was wrong with her and why she was attacking him. If this is not enough to consider the writer is either amnesiac or fed up with this project, I don't know what will. So many blunders so far and it seems as I keep going that I reach new lows.
1) Ok I understand that the female lead would want to believe her sister still lives but come on...missing for…
Couldn't be more contrived if it wanted to...now at ep16, and even though Do Ha and the spirits know that the spirit of Memories might have done something to the prince and Do Ha has set out to find the prince to check it out, she sees him hug Soo Ryeon and instantly forgets everything. No doubts as to why he might have done that. Mu Seok should at least be a bit sharper. He's had so many conversations with the prince. He heard the prince say he's way beyond the point where he just cares about Do Ha. He heard that the spirit of Memories might have done something to him. And just as Do Ha, he instantly forgot anything about checking whether he's possessed or something. There is so much inconsistency in the characters that it gets confusing. They start losing their uniqueness and the characteristics that describe them, because they act so random and without consistency.
If you don't look for the romance (10% sweet moments, 40% brainless obsessive second female lead), it's…
Surprisingly she's better than the lead. She acts exactly what her role is like. Spoiled with little to worry about(even though good in heart). She still has hope her advances will be reciprocated only to be met with the worst possible reactions from everyone ever. She's headstrong as any lady with her status would be, she does try to help out the Prince when he's in need. And then he reports her to the king later on, he never follows through with trying to help her out. He didn't even have a good reason to dismiss their friendship and report her even though they were friends for so many years. He never tried to figure out why she gave the rights to Maeranbang. The people never submitted petitions for her and he never pursued why they didn't even though he had told them to. He had asked the bodyguard and he gave a good answer but he ignored it and at first it seemed like the prince had a shrewd plan but later on it seems like there was never a plan, and he kinda forgot about her and her issue. So her obsession turned to hatred. She's one of the few characters in this show with enough reason behind their every move and a clear image of their personality and character.
1) Ok I understand that the female lead would want to believe her sister still lives but come on...missing for…
To be sure, I have some ways till the 24th and last episode. But had they made it a 12-16 episode drama cutting away the useless stuff, it might have been better.
Currently at ep13. So many holes in the script. People say that acting is bad or no chemistry exists. Kinda difficult…
1) Ok I understand that the female lead would want to believe her sister still lives but come on...missing for 12 years. Also I'm sure everyone else would know by then(at least the spiritual mother) that she was destined to be sacrificed. She should be acting like she doesn't believe it anymore that her sister could be alive but wants to at least know the truth and perhaps she might come across her if by chance she is still alive. 2) When Sa Dam is cast out of the palace, everyone's looking for him. Do-Ha sees him in Maeranbang but doesn't tell anyone(even though he's been established to be the villain). 3) As if that wasn't enough, she decides to sneak in Maeranbang to ask him about her sister. I wonder where she found the confidence that she can handle him if any trouble arose. She was almost abducted before by him and his goon. Aaand to top the stupidity off, she tried to sneak in while wearing that bell bracelet. Really?! She was almost caught later in Madam Mo's office by the noise it made. 4)After Sa Dam is on the run, the smallpox plague starts. They learn that it was a Smallpox ghost and at some point there's prince Wolgwang, the blacksmith and Do-Ha talking. They decide someone summoned it and stare at the void like dumb people for a while without thinking the one and only villain so far, the one with the power to summon dark spirits, the one that almost helped a dragon ascend etc etc. The bigass neon sign over Maeranbang, saying Sa Dam did it, is the only thing missing for them to figure it out.... 5)Especially with Mu-seok. they are trying to convince him to believe in ghosts and there comes the black In-hwa(his sister that should now be a dark spirit) and somehow possesses Do-Ha's body to talk to her brother. It would have been tooo freakin' easy if she had done it the day Do-Ha mentioned his sister was behind him. The day when Do-Ha said she could relay her message(which I still don't understand why she never relayed it anyway),meaning the girl knew Do-Ha saw her and talked to Do-Ha. So it stands to reason she could also ask to possess her then, or if it's a thing that can be done while sleeping, the girl could have tried it before. And as I watch ep.13, In-hwa does not say anything other than "It's me big brother, it's me". Most unoriginal and unconvincing line ever and somehow he seems to start to believe her. Disappointing to say the least. Usually in cases like these, people take advantage of either tricks where having a spirit nearby can explain the trick, or taking advantage of knowledge only the spirit and the person to be convinced should know. None of these mechanics are used. Instead people around Mu-seok seeing ghosts remain idle looking at him as if he was headstrong without reason. No attempt whatsoever to do anything until the weirdest point ever.
Unfortunately there are many other things. Dialogues are almost never satisfying. Saying a ton of stuff while saying nothing of value most of the time, which is why nothing progresses fast enough. Also characters with bad lines just seem lackluster and bland. Funnily enough, many period kdramas do this. Kingdom is the only one that doesn't and that's probably because it's limited in episodes, therefore each moment seems more important than to waste with trivial scenes.
I can understand Cha Min on this. The guy was pitiful due to his looks all his life. And suddenly he gets someone who shows him love even if it's not true. I get it. He wouldn't have wanted it to be true. But I get it only up to a point. At least it got fixed towards the end. He did accept it and came up with a good explanation why he still had to involve himself with HeeJin.
What's FL? PBY's role this time is similar to her character in SWDBS(at least the dominant side since she had a shy one as well then). The way she's not reserved in her responses is the same.
So where the hell did he find the audacity and confidence to stroll around alone and do whatever he pleased, especially when the female lead is more experienced. Makes no sense. Nothing good about him as a drama character other than he was a nice guy who got revived with better appearance.
I wonder if the next time he's revived, he'll get a better brain as well....
On the other hand when Bo Mi tried to kill her family's killer alone I got super annoyed. It's such a common mechanic to have them do it alone and jeopardize everything when there's absolutely no reason why they should have confidence in it. She had to be forced out of her house, what confidence did she have that she could face the man who made her like that for 5 years let alone kill him. The answer is...she got emotional about it. Great! Because there's not enough of that already(even though they did not use this cliche with Jang's backstory to my surprise).
PS is not really a stereotype. He's kind of walking contradiction. At first he was the chilled out veteran guy(at the bogus shaman at ep 1), then he was the pushover(as the female lead called him when she said he was pure and could see ghosts), then he was the unappreciated guy who actually had profound knowledge(in several scenes he either backed up a theory of his with data or with stuff they learnt at the academy) and then at ep4 he was the hotbloodied guy who lost his sh*t , rushed an arrest without evidence, reacted seriously overboard afterwards when yelled at and when he approached the suspect and he did not want to let go no matter how many times the "comic/stupid bunch" explained to him that he only had circumstantial evidence and got himself off the case and for good reason(even when he went for soju with the female lead, he still had not repented for his outburst). How can he be both a pushover and a hot-bloodied person at the same time? There's no clear vision for the character. Which is why some other commenters mentioned they are confused by this character.
At this point I'm only continuing out of a sense of stubbornness and OCD like feeling I have to finish what I started(yes masochistic I know) and a pure sense of curiosity as to how much lower it can go. I think it has earned its place on the worst kdrama I've watched yet.
Dear diary, I am on ep18. I did not expect this to get worse as the end of the series nears. I was underestimating the writer and the director a lot. In some scenes I get glimpses of a could-have-been-a-good-story potential. I am now thinking that the writer is amnesiac every other episode. Sooo in ep18, Wol Gwang and Mu Seok decide to leave Do Ha behind to avoid any mix up and accidentally attack her while they try to capture the gumiho. That was clever of them....but not for long. When Wol Gwang leaves the others and exits the trap, he goes in alone. He grabs the gumiho tail from the table and then as he turns around, sees Do Ha. Now, I'd allow him to falter momentarily. Momentary faults are not problematic. Even smart people make mistakes due to reflex. But he saw her and didn't even flinch for the rest of their staring contest. She eventually reaches and grabs the tail from his hands and starts attacking him. At this point, anyone with half a brain cell would immediately assume(at the very least) that ok she's the fake one(they did come to hunt the fake one and they did leave the real one behind). But oh on, he actually asked her what was wrong with her and why she was attacking him. If this is not enough to consider the writer is either amnesiac or fed up with this project, I don't know what will. So many blunders so far and it seems as I keep going that I reach new lows.
Mu Seok should at least be a bit sharper. He's had so many conversations with the prince. He heard the prince say he's way beyond the point where he just cares about Do Ha. He heard that the spirit of Memories might have done something to him. And just as Do Ha, he instantly forgot anything about checking whether he's possessed or something.
There is so much inconsistency in the characters that it gets confusing. They start losing their uniqueness and the characteristics that describe them, because they act so random and without consistency.
So her obsession turned to hatred. She's one of the few characters in this show with enough reason behind their every move and a clear image of their personality and character.
2) When Sa Dam is cast out of the palace, everyone's looking for him. Do-Ha sees him in Maeranbang but doesn't tell anyone(even though he's been established to be the villain).
3) As if that wasn't enough, she decides to sneak in Maeranbang to ask him about her sister. I wonder where she found the confidence that she can handle him if any trouble arose. She was almost abducted before by him and his goon. Aaand to top the stupidity off, she tried to sneak in while wearing that bell bracelet. Really?! She was almost caught later in Madam Mo's office by the noise it made.
4)After Sa Dam is on the run, the smallpox plague starts. They learn that it was a Smallpox ghost and at some point there's prince Wolgwang, the blacksmith and Do-Ha talking. They decide someone summoned it and stare at the void like dumb people for a while without thinking the one and only villain so far, the one with the power to summon dark spirits, the one that almost helped a dragon ascend etc etc. The bigass neon sign over Maeranbang, saying Sa Dam did it, is the only thing missing for them to figure it out....
5)Especially with Mu-seok. they are trying to convince him to believe in ghosts and there comes the black In-hwa(his sister that should now be a dark spirit) and somehow possesses Do-Ha's body to talk to her brother. It would have been tooo freakin' easy if she had done it the day Do-Ha mentioned his sister was behind him. The day when Do-Ha said she could relay her message(which I still don't understand why she never relayed it anyway),meaning the girl knew Do-Ha saw her and talked to Do-Ha. So it stands to reason she could also ask to possess her then, or if it's a thing that can be done while sleeping, the girl could have tried it before. And as I watch ep.13, In-hwa does not say anything other than "It's me big brother, it's me". Most unoriginal and unconvincing line ever and somehow he seems to start to believe her. Disappointing to say the least. Usually in cases like these, people take advantage of either tricks where having a spirit nearby can explain the trick, or taking advantage of knowledge only the spirit and the person to be convinced should know. None of these mechanics are used. Instead people around Mu-seok seeing ghosts remain idle looking at him as if he was headstrong without reason. No attempt whatsoever to do anything until the weirdest point ever.
Unfortunately there are many other things. Dialogues are almost never satisfying. Saying a ton of stuff while saying nothing of value most of the time, which is why nothing progresses fast enough. Also characters with bad lines just seem lackluster and bland. Funnily enough, many period kdramas do this. Kingdom is the only one that doesn't and that's probably because it's limited in episodes, therefore each moment seems more important than to waste with trivial scenes.