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I actually liked LJG's version of Eun Seom, they always indicated he could become someone shrewder but SJK's version was always so one dimensionally good, I could never understand the part where he'd say that all that chaos was somehow fun🙄 Saya was the one who had no resemblance and somehow had no growth in 8 years; he didn't learn to fight, lost all political ambition, regressed into a pathetic manchild...idk. The plot is literal trash, I bet they had no framework as to how their protagonists would be like in 8 years. They paused the show on a big moment...how'd Saya react to Tanya's secret, we're not only robbed off that but also made to swallow that he just got on with Tanya's plan of finding his brother and also that he couldn't, in 8 years, with all that dreams...-_-
And SJK's Saya had a childishness, his need for Tanya's love never felt as weird as LJG's, he couldn't figure out in 8 years that he doesn't stand a chance and broke into fits of sobs in front of her...and god! did I want to kill her-_-

Also I bet Saya was supposed to get that Igutu nation to help in the final battle against Tagon, but they just got greedy for a new season. Three of them have their own powers, yet Saya's gets shelved for a future project, when the prophecy is all done and dusted...who cares about what he does now?-_-
(sorry for the late reply)

It took him 5 episodes to become Kay. And she's always glued to him like an annoying af obsessed person. He doesn't even like her almost-_-

Yeah. He literally had no part in bringing Tagon down (even Arok came walking to him like a free prize), he kept getting beaten up and people kept saving him. Also LJG's version of Saya is too sobby, I still liked him when he could act evil or sad but mostly he was just throwing tantrums and plotting nothing. What was mirror's part in the play except for 'literally' mirroring EunSeom's face to Tagon? Nothing-_-
I kept reeling in frustration for a week after finishing.

Except for the head of the hospital, everyone was very ready to villainize her. Especially Gung Tae. Also I'm not sure if she was really diagnosed in the show, they (mainly the old doc of course) just helped her in a very indirect, manipulative way, I'd say.

'Not as awesome' is being kind, she was freaking terrible. In front of Jun Gi her expressionless acting just brought down the entire plot around their supposed eternal love. She looked fine just once when she was tied and put on the gate for Eun Seom to see. I hoped they'd push her off the parapet and end my misery-_-

No 100% of course, but these are like characters who are practically good. You gotta do something bad that hurts people and is disproportionate to be this feared. It's annoying. Psychopath isn't a term that you just throw around unless that is explicitly the intent.

I'm watching Time between Dog and Wolf and I'm almost torn how LJG is always paired with annoying female leads, they either lack in character development or just can't act. Flower of Evil has to be the only drama where I appreciated the female counterpart. Arthdal Chronicles sucked cz SSK can't act at all, Lawless Lawyer didn't allow the romantic relation time to grow, Scholar Who Walks the Night probably has the most annoying female lead ever, I liked Arang a lot but the plot massacred her in the end. He deserves better. A good script for god's sake...how hard can that be?-_-

Idk what's so intriguing about that. I wasn't hiding my frustration. But your dismissing every critique as 'wanting to write 'their' own story' certainly is. Of course, everyone is free to like anything, but I find it odd when they butt in to discredit other's dislike.

So are you. What, you can comment out of love, but I can't comment out of disappointment?

It was pretty awful even with those veteran actors giving their all. Can't imagine what it will be without even them.

It shouldn't be difficult. But you asked how Tanya can alone stop the poisoning, which I answered. That guard was literally standing in front of the shrine when Tanya was pleading to Tagon (which was never gonna work). And he's not even any trusted ally of Tagon, she should've told him to stop the poison being spilled, it's an entire city Tagon's destroying, where this guy's family live. Or are you saying he loves Tagon more than his family?
And why would Tanya use Arok? I said nothing of this sort. Saya HAD Arok, so my point was that the first thing he should do is ask Tagon to drop everything from his hands that can be used as a weapon. If he didn't think of that, he should've at least stopped him when he started ringing the bells. Anyone who knows even one bit of Tagon should know that that ringing was not him playing with the bells🙄even more so Saya.
And if they tried and failed I wouldn't mind but none of them even thought about it, especially Eun Seom who literally forgot even though Mungtae told him, he should've sent someone to check the perimetre. And those Ago people knew she's at the shrine, they didn't need to save her but for the sake of their Inaishingi, some of them could check out the place, who knows what Tagon is plotting, probably planning to take their leader with him like a spiteful man. In a war zone people must think of these. Or they're just stupid or dumbed down to fit the dumb plot.

You enjoyed it but you didn't seem to understand it. But thanks I guess.

First of all, you're the one who claimed Saya was the weaker one since season 1. I only said how I don't like his portrayal as the weaker one or his easy annoyance and anger about EunSeom. Saya has never gotten any of the things EunSeom did and had a mentality to plot to get that, then again there was only one thing that he ever genuinely wanted - Tanya. So, what I didn't like is his propensity to care so much about how EunSeom is winning, how he lost, tbh though even if he's not a good fighter his war plans should be good, in 8 years he didn't learn anything real aside from the book? And Tagon sending him was on whimsy, a test for his heirdom and bcz Tagon himself didn't want to leave the castle. But he could betray EunSeom (the idea of misleading his people pretending to be him should've come to him), could damage the Ago tribe, I mean to say that he was just pretending to help his brother is just delusional. He knew he was always more at risk of death than his brother and was repeatedly attacked and was eventually caught by Tagon. And he's one of the first to know of Tanya's mind reading power, he had to know that Tanya knew of his plans (smth that turns them into really no plans at all).
And Idk why you're going on about Saya vs EunSeom. But calling EunSeom a go getter and Saya lazy is the laziest description that there can be. EunSeom had a mother who loved him for 8 smth years, he lived with people who were simple and friendly and most of all, he had Tanya. Saya was locked up in the Hae workshop, he was brought up by a child spy, never loved, never adored, he was taught how hated Igutus are in Arthdal, his lover was killed in cold blood. He never had free access to move (anyone sees his blood, he's dead) but apparently he loved convoluted plans. Now the plot is fucking bad bcz it shows him as not so good at making plans for someone who loves it, this 'more naive but deadly nonetheless' thing worked in the first season bcz he was only 20 and never saw the outside of his tower and other people, but after 8 years of being with the king, he seems to have deteriorated. Now the problem is that the show never got to explore how he took the news of the existence of his twin, other than as an utter heartbreak, and that strains the plot this season.
And you say he didn't get back at the killer of the girl he loved, he did the unthinkable, he killed Tagon's brother to take Tagon away from Taealha, now that's revenge. Haetuk the killer is only a pawn, and he knows that. He was very good at being ominous, he threatened Tanya quite a few times, his love was more veiled (now Tanya made it seem like she shared the dreams with Saya, no wonder he fell for her, this is the girl who he loves in his dreams where he's free...I'd say that's pretty fucking compelling). Anyways, that mad scary Saya is gone with SJK, who also wasn't so predictable. That was my point. I like Saya bcz he's mischevious, bcz he likes violence, confusion but underneath it all he is just an abandoned kid.

You seem to have produced your comparison to show how EunSeom is better. But all he wanted was to beat Tagon and get Tanya and that's like the most tedious plotpoint (which makes sense, so I'm grateful-_-). LJG greatly improves him by bringing a different shade to him (now this is a guy who grew in 8 years, evolved), but he's still the simplest character. Saya wanted to come out as an Igutu, be accepted by people and to him it's only possible if he is the king and people fears him. Unfortunately his dad isn't so easy to manipulate and the girl he loves does not want what he wants. Things were never gonna go his way, and I thought he was aware of that, I mean he probably was but the way he broke into tears, felt lesser than EunSeom on a daily basis was too much for me. His jealosy, I get. EunSeom is practically taking away everything he ever wanted, what I don't like is how obvious he makes it.
And if you think Saya wanting to use Ekand to get Arthdal is proof of him not being a 'doer' whatever that may be🙄, then you may have missed how EunSeom used Ago tribe to get Arthdal.

It is supposed to be a doomed relationship. They love the cynic in each other or so they claim but mostly they understand betrayal and neglect from close family. They sympathise with each other's tragic obsession for power which leaves them doubting each other. That's the theme they are going for but plot wise it does not hold, like so many other things in this show (I mean it doesn't hold IN ANY WAY, except for their brilliant acting which is so wasted in this absolutely badly written show).

Nope. I would've liked a little of the op music, but no.

It's beyond what our little brains can comprehend-_- They fight when they don't need to, they are together when Tagon goes on a killing spree.

So, exactly why did Tanya need to do all that before Inaishingi reached the city? If he got in first she could've brought out the Whisper peeps and easily taken over the city...what was all that stupidity for? She got ministers killed, soldires killed, her priests killed and the rare few good Wahan people killed for no reason. Her dad was the stupidest character of all...he literally doesn't make sense. I was almost happy when he fell to death.
And the queen couldn't lock up her 8 years old kid?-_- Also what's her problem? It's okay if Tagon tries to kill her and everybody else, but others can't?-_- And she had so much time to tell her crazy husband that Saya is alive but didn't, I mean if your plan is to hurt Tanya how can you forget about the dude who chose death over hurting her?-_-
And how many ways the dumping of the deadly poison could've been stopped? 1. Saya let the evilest guy in all of Arthdal shake a bell that was clearly a sign for someone to do something. You ask him to drop everything, every weapon or you kill his kid! That's how you threaten someone fgs-_- 2. There was that royal guard who was there to do the dumping, Tanya could've told him the deal. Now Tagon is fucking crazy, but the residents of Arthdal are not (bet they don't wanna die of poisoning). He was standing right in front of her, but she kept pleading to the crazy-_-
Karat was such a nice character this season, but nothing nice survives much longer in this show-_-
Btw, SSK's Tanya literally have more chemistry with Yang Cha than the heroes of the show. LJG's facial expression is so animated and has such a range, she seems literally a statue in comparison. In other cases, I had to convince myself that she's supposed to sport a straight face to induce confidence, but boy! as the girl that captured the hearts of the central characters she's seriously lacking-_- I don't even like Tanya as a character, on top of that her bad acting-_- (I mean Idk I read somewhere that 4, 5 main characters die in the finale (and I was like it has '5' main characters-_-), I was instantly ready to let her go, I only felt bad for the boys a little, she's their prize but she always felt so expendable. Ji Won's version was too cold (more morally ambiguous I guess), she had nice chemistry with EunSeom (but I didn't like SJK's goody two shoes EunSeom), SSK's version is - as I mentioned - too bland, and I so don't buy her sacrifice. Maybe Ji Won could've pulled that off, garnering a little sympathy for her saintly death but all it signified to me was the loss of EunSeom and Saya who loved her, nothing more).
I was writing this in real time, so Tanya's not dead (and turns out the only major character that died is Tagon-_-), they pulled a sleeping beauty and EunSeom lost his dream connection with Saya or smth (bcz how else to explain what is shown-_-) Turns out Taealha didn't brainwash Arok into thinking Arthdal is his birthright. And they def want to make another season if viewer demand is strong. And I love Saya and LJG enough to probably torture myself into watching another season but hate the story and Tanya enough to never go near. Lee Jun Gi should look for better projects, he's so wasted in this-_- He rocked the look, the duality (I endured 4 seasons of crap just to check him out, so he had to deliver or I'd die-_- (I still missed SJK's Saya at times)) but the story is basically an incoherent mess without any emotional truth or logic.

Just cz I gotta rant...-_-

True. The stupidest part is half the things they do don't make a single bit of sense. I mean they can be bad, they can be cunning, manipulative, power hungry but the things they do...they kill people like they're ants. Someone smart would figure out a way to be a King without the bloodshed, they act like they can get away with anything. It's a stupid world where the sufferings of the general public is not a factor. People here are incapable of having a mind, mass dissatisfaction isn't a thing. I mean, I'd talk about self-interest if the things Tagon did benefitted him, he just kept losing with every move, the mad king vibe suited him bcz all his actions are just stupid. The more he kills the more people should be against him...this just doesn't apply in this drama😑
In Arthdal people hate the Igutus, when they found out that the people killing king is an Igutu, shouldn't the people hate him more? Shouldn't their confirmation bias kick in to make them believe 'this is how Igutus are, bloodthirsty, evil'? Instead, a stupid minister shares a stupid anecdote about locusts and that's it-_-
And the way this Asa clan and its priests lie out of their every orifice🙄 No tact, they just come up with contradictory oracles every day and people just believe them, like seriously-_-

Oh my god, I so agree.
Not sure how better this was, I mean the production quality is a lot better, visually I mean. The story is as fucked up as before. For 2 episodes I thought damn, did it manage to improve? But unfortunately, no. LJG is good, especially as Eunseom, I missed SJK's Saya a little. SSK is underwhelming, if she didn't look so priestly it would've been hard to endure her. It's really hard to care about Tagon and Taealha no matter how good their acting is. As you said, the writers are the one who needed to be fired to save this mess of a show.