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Prediction 😅😅not really I m not so good in that ...but if they flow original story like some ver did then tomorrow thyme mother will try to negotiate with them by giving them money and maybe indirectly insulting their daughter demanding her to stay away from her son but she will be called out and gorya mom will throw food "salt"in her face. If I remember right something like this happen in some ver ..of course thym mom Will not be silence after this ..she probably creating serious trouble for them (like buying Thier house or kicking dad from job. )

Lol 😆😆😆 me ,nervous and excited at same time ..it funny cause many of us arleady know sotry and what will happen in general ,still we are like this waiting for each ep with impatience having discussion for every little thing about drama before and after ep airing ..

This 👏👏👏👏 beautifully written
I thought I was seeing to much when I felt that gorya is somehow feeling guilty for what happened while she shouldn't. ..but reading your pov it make sense

Ok interesting point 👍 ..I see you mean "words are nothing without action".. ..but if they dared to put such distrubing intense scene right in your face that made impact and controversy than for me it also important to address this later and right in your face way also . cause again not a lot will analyze big picture but will react more directly of what they see in that scene

"Where you saw a problem with Gorya feeling guilty and apologizing to Thyme, I saw it as closure of their misunderstanding.". Well I guess we saw it in different way ..that we don't have same opinion .. personally after knowing Tesla truth I could see gorya al along ep feeling guilty ..she said in mall "my boyfriend become violent because of you " don't get me wrong Tesla deserved punch but for her gorya if thyme did this because of her then his outbrust reaction in classroom was also because her .she find it like normal reaction cause it results of anger and frustration that he feel cause of her mistake (lying and not trusting him )..now that I m reading the discussion her I find @chibi comment interesting " how
women have been programmed by patriarchy to always reflect internally, and blame themselves for the abuse, thinking 'oh, I must have done something to deserve that."

I m also looking forward to see more of thyme journey to learn and redmp

@Fea "But for me still, the outcome of this ep is still isn't satisfying" yes I agree with this, that what I tried to say in my first principl comment even if I could see message if I analyse big picture still delivery choices of some scenes in ep07 were wrong and make no scene to me from storyline direction setp of points

-"He didn't even apologize for that outburst, as I remember" yes that's what I noticed too ..I was waiting apologie in there scene at night but nothing .. maybe they will address this later..since I know From original story that even if ml lead is trying to change in that process karma will hit him and he will see more consequences of his behaviour "why thym didn't say anything or sorry about classroom outbrust in this episode nd gorya feeling guilty " we had interesting discussion about it you should check it :https://kisskh.at/50007-boys-over-flowers#comment-8685999
Read the comments of MarieAli  chibi and
zestileigh

- "But I just don't see what Thyme could bring to the table for Gorya" normally in original story and some version there are arcs where we see him how he support her +what he can do for her ..now I have no idea how F4 Thailand will deal with rest of 9 episode and there choices of what arcs they would put what not ..all I know it clear this version is more about ml character
journey to redemption change so someone like thyme should first learn to love Himself better himself before he can love anyone or before anyone can love him and if thym at his worst can be crazy extreme...thyme at his best will be same ,he will not only passionate lover but he will put a lots to protect and support gorya .. he said in ep07 "you make want to prove That I deserve you" so he know he isn't good and Don't deserve her that why he will work and try to be someone that he deserve

-"Yes, she can support Thyme to be better and he lover her, and? Is Thyme good for Gorya? For me, he isn't, yet. Therefore for me Gorya helping him that far is just too much" yes I get your point thyme is not best choice for gorya for sure ..he will never be that why maybe he said "you will never choose me anyway" ..he know deep down that someone like him no one can accept him easily"in ep 03 he said "no girl can stand me " thyme is not portrayed as hero but he is anti-hero (anti- protagonist) character type,but still gorya will choose him cause this how human emotions are complex there no logic explaination even in real life we don't alway choose good person,we don't choose what we need but more what we want we choose most difficult path even if we know we can be hurt ,you remember ep06 where gorya in zoo fight scene"I thought you become better person but it was false hope "so even if she was claiming not want to go to this date but in reality somehow she was wishing he became better person cause her heart start to feel something but her mind Moral refuse to accept him because of his behaviour ,yes love is not enough in relationship there should be Equality ( respect,trust .. compromise.many things )from both side but you know at end when we love someone we are willing to help them.to support and approaching them without waiting so much in return ,in real life we will always find one side give more than other

I know I said in my second comments "l watched again there are implying that she is the 1st who wake up him challenge him,affected him seriously to make him rethinking about his action ..she questioned his life choices "it thing that I appreciate about this version there going beyond just from hate love story between
ml problematic character and female strong character
"but still her presence is vital for him in his journey of redemption..he said this in many occasion..(even in some teasers in beginning of episode 1 he said my whole life changed because of little girl) .the question what if she never stand up against him or come to his life...me as adult can analyse things and see big picture . depth of character. . understand the context messages of what pH team are trying to show but not lots of viewers especially teen who are large portion of audience will see it in same way .. that why for me the delivery choices of some scenes especially ep07 were wrong from storyline direction setp of point .. in the end it just my opinion..
anyway .I m curious how they will handle next episodes

the new ost "one last cry " is really good The voice of that female singer is beautiful ♥️♥️♥️♥️ l agree with about the fact if there is one thing that’s constantly satisfying with the BOF franchise is OST from all versions never dissapoint
For example bof Korean version I didn't like anything from it expect osts like all songs of this version are iconic timeless in drama land
Hyb JP ver which one of my fav version ..ost of this one are classic it give me nostalgic .emotional vib like I have some in in my listen playlist to this day like "flavor of life "by utada Hikaru and "planetarium by ai otsuka"

" What I'm struck by is that Thyme repeatedly apologized to Gorya after Hana got her beaten but didn't apologize for the raised fist so I'm not 100% sure what's going on there. He did renounce violence at the end so there is that.". Exactly.they made gorya feeling guilty and apologized but not him,. in that scene where she was healing his wound I was waiting for him to apologize seriously for razing his hand after he said he was horrible ..but no nothing ..I was like really?!!... Maybe after all what happened he was like tired so he just wanted moment with gorya ...so he don't remember that particular part of him in classroom and what he did ,cause it was more like his inconscious impulsive beast side ,that part is hidden in his mind. maybe they will address this later make him remember realise what he did?!!

I don't know honestly maybe we should not expect or think to much 😅

The way you described and explained the scene from your perspective 👏👏it was beautifully written...

About the message "she is the one how Change him "yes till now there pushing this idea , but maybe later on they will develope it more to better himself and grow without being dependent on gorya cause if we listen carefully to scene where thyme was talking about his childhood past I watched again there are implying that she is the 1st who wake up him challenge him,affected him seriously to make him rethinking about his action ..she questioned his life chooses ,she encouraged him start the fight against his own worst dark side,so she was only catlisore,She can support him. But not doing work for him ،he have to work himself to better himself without being dependent on her

- if we do parallel of the scenes thyme -mother along with his last scene with gorya there is clearly contrast with his mother .You can read fear pain in his look when he face her in that scene where he is nailing down like kid beast under control ,that is expected to perform at his mother's command, indoctrinated since birth .his mom has control over anything in the life of her childrens environment and business ,you can see even sister tia who is adult is afraid of her ,his mother is like the one who chained him in world of power that she build like empire "Akira empire" he said "he hate himself and thyme who is drink in power "gorya is more like the one who allowed him to break free from this empire and she like threat to the empire of mother..thyme mentioned "he thought if he can rule school ..he will rule Akira business empire in future "that's parallel to what his mother said in ep 1 .. while goraya and his friends are encouraging him to not back to his old self cause there seeing he in path of changing ..his mother is saying opposite cause she don't want thym who care about people there feeling or life she think there no place to that in business world remember what she said in ep 1 "I don't care what fun game you have in school +it more like football match if someone cause trouble then we should give him red cart " That why thyme said " I use to see life of people as fun"so first he was doing everything he wanted us violence without caring or feeling but now even if he still use he care and feel . +trying to stop using it and to control himself his anger and life .so it like huge first step ,his mother instead of giving him love and good displine caring for his mental health she is giving him sort patriarchy education "system where first listen is to force boy to feel pain pressure then deny Thier feelings it lead them use language of anger violence and death " cause she want him to be great ruthless ruler in future that's why flower of thyme character in drama (ost and teaser) is represented by black rose symbolism of "death , change rebirth and renewal "

-about that classroom scene and what you said "Gorya just stand there accepting whatever Thyme gonna do and not an equal footing to him. If they made Gorya stand up for herself and fights back, I think it would be better cuz at least we can feel that Thyme isn't as threatening to her cuz she CAN fights back. But F4T team chose Gorya to just stand there" you might be right it would give better impression I respect your opinion I also sa, some pointing out why gorya kicked him in ep 1 and kicked Tesla in this epi but they made her doing nothing here.. personally I think it totally different situation the way she reacted was natural related to her emotional state in some situation she is the one who is made. Angry. Strong so she stand up but with in this scene with thyme she was cleary scared shocked by his reaction so seeing him like that she understood that it was huge mistake to deal with him now ..she was the gorya paralyzed by fear. The weak gorya I guess that why they played ost since lyrics talk about her "how is always strong . fighter demanding moments to feel weak right to cry".but I still think they shouldn't played that in that scene since it gived wrong message ,rather making her run away after throwing chair then making her thinking seriously about what happened in her house room in that time they could played ost there

- "It perfectly fine to leave someone with mental illness to SAVE yourself first." Yes👏 for me persons like (with anger disorder or other similar mental problem )need professional therapy sure but not only that they also need peoples who will trust & support them in their transformation journey. They must live in healthy rehabilitative society instead of punitive one we should guid them and discipline them not chaining them or judging them as forever unforgivable otherwise they will just continue embracing the worst and.boom inside them which will lead to terrible consequences ,so yes gorya can love him and support him but never accepting tolerating shit behaviour or some violence from him
-about gorya accepting him .to be honest I don't think she had totally accepted him as boyfriend. ..I think she only realised that yes somehow have feelings for him but she still not sure or ready to engage herself with him in relationship cause if we see carefully in ep :

> When she arrived in stadium she didn't have intention to talk about her feelings . It only ren who bring that she said it was just slip of mouth ,then she insisted on that second time in last min of ep when she replay to thyme message that she is not his girlfriend it's was slip, I don't know if it's 100% truth but what I have read from certain Thai fan comment that thyme message was more on polite forma like "miss girlfriend " and man use this when he is not that close with women and know she is not fully on him he need to work harder to win her even in scene where thyme close stadium he said "I want you to accept me not Paramaanantra" so he know that he still have long way change to be totally acceptable as partner in couple ,even after he announced there will be no violence no red carte anymore " she said"I m happy for you " not "happy for us",she is happy that he finally stop this bully game and realized he must change ,so I guess her announcing proudly in mall it her boyfriend it really slip slip from her inconscious part that had feeling for him see good soft side of him..but there is still conscious part from her that don't accept him because of his dangerous side+he is from different world so I think we will see herstepping back and hesitating,add to That we must not forget she is high school girl of 16-17 old experiencing for first time all this.she is stepping from teen immature world to more serious mature youth world where persons experience désire and temptations struggles and there own shadows

-I don't have high expectation but I will wait and see how next episodes gone be what pH team have for us

Oh sorry about that 😅now I m reading this again you right it little bit hard to digest I will try to edit this one and thanks for advice l will take this in consideration in my future comments and posts

I see what you are coming from ..for me it was never about why she choose thyme not ren..human désire emotions and physcy are complex to understand so will always fail to find compelet logical explanation ... that's why in reality thre is still lots of women in our real world that still involved themselves in sort of dark toxic relationship..but for me it all about they showed this..the way they also push to much that narrative of"gorya is key of his change ..to better new person ..she is his therapy and motivation.." if you look since first teasers of drama to now. There giving me this vib remember the ep 04 when he told her about his anger impulse then confesses his love then insisted he need her always next to him if she go away it's problème what if she never meet him or choose him or loved him..yes it fiction .. fiction don't represent reality. .but it sure had influence on some persons anyway desipt I don't really like or agree the way they handle some part of sotry..I still want to continue journey of watching this drama

I have read some interesting take
opinions on this comments sections
including yours ...and agree with you about point of him is capable hurting her even if it someone precious to him (that's why even his friends didn't tried to stop him ..in this situation they know he is blind out of control) but gorya wasn't seeing the danger of situation until she almost get hit . The problem is way they played .. delivered the particular scene +rest of episode ..gorya reaction after didn't give viewers this message or take of context

Personally as someone who watches other past versions l always had hate love relationship with the original story because of how they mange to treat the bully issu and redemption arc especially for all new version that come after 2009 I know it not especially drama about social problems or subject of bully,it just love romance friendship type of drama still for me if you gone make many adaptation remaks then it important to make it with better message even it's just fiction it will never represent real life 100% or the point is not teaching Moral,But still fictions are inspired by reality nd those fictions(movies, dramas. Book ..)+virtual world had influence on peoples especially on today society ,even if l m not big fan of story I always get curious how each versions gone handel this popular story
Although my final fully pov would be at the end of série but to be honest I don't think my though will change this F4 Thailand have give me mix feelings since debut and the last episode 07 +the way viewers are reacting to it has proven my point
-I appreciate the fact that in this version there trying to make the characters more approachable with touche of realistic take, explaintion to some actions+entraînement and emotional rollercoaster but my huge problem is delivery of scenes and development arc of each characters,the pH team seem confused or at least for me they made poor choices for example:
The scene that everyone is talking about "thyme anger crises and violence behaviour his inner battel against his bad animal side"l get they did that on purpose to let us know that he had serious dangerous issu it can never go away so easily , but show in it like this it's No for me they could have played this better way in term of narrative and delivery scene ,even him in last min of episode has not change my pov
cause him being self aware hating himself acknowledging his mistake .and willing to change is not new actually it has been explained from debut especially since episode 4-6 ,but, this ver of drama is to much in explaination rather then showing and sometimes what they show and explain is contradictory this can lead viewers of confusion ,that's why don't expect viewers to dive to much in symbolism read between lines or except them to understand your context especially if drama is presented under genre of: romance-comdey youth not psychological type nd your audience is mostly teens or youth who are in phase of growth .

You can't show brutal terriging scene like this then in the end of it give to it emotional line "you will never choose me anyway" that made people think he could never hit her cause he stop and himself is crying abusive impulsive person have emotions too but can't control it so it lead them to problematic behaviours +playing that ost I know song in more about goraya perspective but it totally give scene romantic emotional vibs when it's supposed to give serious scary tension vibs

add to that rest of episode where there was some comedy light scenes,just to make look less heavy,t's ok if gorya realise that she have feelings for him " why some choose this persons instead of this why can't not be explained it's our heart and complexity of human emotions"but the way it was delivered make no sense or Logic from narrative setps of point showing her declaring loudly in mall it her boyfriend in comedy strong female vib type scene After traumatic scary experience with him ?! Then making her feel guilty and responsible for his behaviour .that why she tried to calm him down in roomclasse while she should see the red flag the moment when he was started throwing chair.She should have run give him space then talking to him later (scene like this are important if want audience to get right message),they should have made her first processing seriously what happened how dangerous situation then realising she might have feelings for him after that admting her mistake about lie+ misunderstanding his attention in zoo scene that's it nothing more or less . Not make her saying sorry several times thinking that it was totally only her fault that things end up like this that he have right to be made and feeling that much anger.

You can't build character "thyme"that claim several time he understood FL choice respect it he understood she not his girlfriend and will wait for her +claiming he know his friend is good person why it not surprise that everyone can fall in love with it not jerk like him (including gorya) then just to prove point he can't change overnight make him suddenly explod like this, seeing his friend as shity and being crazy over hug or lie ,feeling Hurt over fact that she will never choose him this will immediately ruin sotry from direction and delivery point

it not about him being aware of his situation and wanting to change cause yes person like him deserve chance to better themselves to be understood but it about how?! for me here at least the way direction and scenes are playing there pushing to much narrative card that it "it HER ..HER WHO IS KEY of his chang...it his therapy since she is giving him what he has not seen or feelt during his life ,what mother didn't give him,what society didn't what education didn't challenging his Moral. Evil side then make rethinking ,love understanding " while she is just high school girl who have no experience in life.,she is not professional therapist or teacher ,she also have her own problems,if all his life his environment are raison why he become like this,Then she also have her own pressure due to her life statu They can show how they understood support love eachother having struggle ,show how it not Disney fairytale. It can be dark difficult But in equal way from ml and female not victimising one too much making other feeling responsible for action or journey to redemption

That why no matter what there trying to say to audience the way there are dealing with delivery of story will ruin there work or porpuse of it officially a lots will see it as "romantising adusive relationship " Or "pushing Message that romantic love and patience of women can change man that have serious impuls anger issu" if idea of this version wanted to give anti- patriarchy Message,this is doing opposite ,anyway we will see how they will handle next episodes

-at end everyone is entitled to his opinions and perspective depending on our Experience of life +viewers watch dramas for different reasons some just for entraînement. Some for acting. Some for sotry and message. Some with exception some not. So reaction would be different ,it interesting to have open discussion, agree or not about certain things,but we should not argue or force peoples to feel /think certain way. Don't force peoples to continue watching if they don't want or feel uncomfortable. neither go After the one who watch it and enjoy it by" saying how can people whatch this type of content."

-kudos to all cast actors especially main ones bright and Tu it my first time seeing work of them and there are doing amazing job

This 2020. Is just to much ...RIP ...

Good article i m not fan of long dramas but. Heard many good reviews about it + you convinced me ..with this article .. I will add this on my plan to watch

This drama was on my list for years i finally watch it without many exception ..although it get little bit slow ,I think 16 could be enough..but globally it was good for 2012 drama the storyline was original ,nice balance between suspense mystery fantasy's I enjoyed the journey of main characters finding the truth the connexion between them,loved the way female lead character was strong fresh yet so funny cute heartwarming ...in fact loved all that comedy hilarious vibs in first phase of drama..
(something that we can not find a lot in historical kdramas) .but then it faded away in 2nd phase ... It not really bad but it deserved way more better ending ..the cast did superb jobs in fact having Jun Ki and Shin Min as lead was the main elements that encourage me to watch this... I feel that they didn't explore their full potential nd chemistry. . I wanted more scenes and romance between leads ..it's 7.5/10

I m the only one who still hoping for S2 of this drama...even after 2 years. ..

Nice article ...i remember stared this drama without any exception as you summary give me typical naïve girl chasing after an arrogant cold guy..
+ I m fan of mark he is one of my fav Thai actor ....but it end up to be one of my favs Thai drama yes of course it not something original.it really cliched romcom story with her up and down
but without knowing I get slowly involved with characters,attached to them ,t's roller coaster ride of emotions especially second part from 8-15eps, chemistry of leads is definitively one of the best that I have seen in dramas land. .this two were so real( I miss them ) ..Mew nittha it's for me first time watching her she was amazing . I think. She is talented natural actress ..reading this article ..made me want to watch drama again