The scene from episode 1 that I apparently imagined. Let me repeat what I thought I had imagined.'He sees Dal…
I am not a fan of NDS's character but I agree with you in that HJP his not blameless. And this scene was stalking. If I had some stranger who saw me at a conference follow me that evening, I would be scared for my life. That is weird as hell.
If he found her intriguing, he should have just reached out and talked to her. Then it is up to her to decide if she wants to continue the conversation or not.
Haha... I am surprised by your hatred towards Hwan. He never forced himself on YeJi. When she asked him to leave…
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
I agree with you in the moral questions that arises in a man loving his brother's wife or a woman loving her husband's brother. I think this is where some of personal views and experiences come into play.
I am of the opinion that people feel things sure, but how you act on it is very important. So long as Hwan or Yeji stay on their paths while Yeji and Jin are married, that is fine. And they did. And honestly, it wasn't some lust filled love. They care about each other as human beings first. And they want the other person happy.
Again, Hwan, never stepped forward when Jin and Yeji are legally married together. I have to point this out. So I am not sure when Hwan 'went after Yeji' when Jin was in the wheelchair. It did not seem that way to me at all.
Now if Yeji and Jin are divorced, while it is weird, it is not illegal or unheard of. In this case, particularly, because of the extremely strained relationship between Hwan and Jin, it makes it even more plausible. Jin more or less abandoned Hwan when he was young -- from cutting the the rope to ignoring him to disregarding Hwan's feeling for Yeji to disrespecting his promise to mistrusting Hwan for no reason. This whole thing would have gone differently had Jin treated his brother with love and respect. He never did. In episode 15, he still doesn't. And only now after the realisation of what Jin did and also, that Yeji is leaving Jin that Hwan even remotely hopes for something.
Now -- again, people can only agree to disagree here because while questionable, it is not a crime nor so out of the world. This depends on how much gray one is able to stomach or accept. Life is nor perfect. People are not perfect. In this story, people in the family are all one for one selfish and weak. Even Hwan is not perfect (he hurts Amber for instance). So you can't look at Hwan just on his own. Nor can you look at Yeji on her own. This is the same reason why even though Jin has his faults, I understand that there are people like this.
To the question of hand grabbing, in general I find that weird in Kdramas. Whether it is a good looking guy, bad looking guy, what have you. As a foreigner, I find it strange that hand-grabbing is normalized. It is not cool no matter who does it. And I wish kdramas stopped doing that. But it seems to be very common in kdramas. Given that context, since Yeji likes Hwan, I can assure you that no matter who played the role, I would not have found it over the top because Yeji likes Hwan, as in the character not Jisoo. Yeji has made it abundantly clear that Hwan has special access to her. I am of the camp that they have always had a special relationship.
Now, how is Hwan responsible for Yeji's confusion? People like other people for their reasons. A person can love you to the moon but if you don't love them back, you wouldn't be confused. Period. That is just how it works. So how is Hwan responsible for Yeji's confusion? That is an unfair judgement, in my opinion.
As for Amber, yes -- he screwed up but he owned up to it and let her go. Again, they are not showing a perfect character. Human beings do this. It is not the end of the world. How many people date others longer than they should or say yes to people out of pity or because of some insecurity or what have you? While not good, they happen. Amber was 100% right in being mad at Hwan. What was redeeming about Hwan was that he understood what he did and understood it was wrong and let her go.
Yeji likes Hwan. When Yeji asked Hwan to leave, he did. But fundamentally, she likes him. And she doesn't like him because Hwan manipulated her. She likes him because he is a good guy who understands her and is there for her.
Haha... I am surprised by your hatred towards Hwan. He never forced himself on YeJi. When she asked him to leave…
Agreed. We have had no insight so far into her viewpoint on Hwan and what went through her mind all this time. It is bit of a leap from where we are at to that preview of Episode 15. Not sure how they will convince us in 2 episodes but let's see!
Hwan's dad is toxic too,selfish just like his wife. No wonder he never asks for a divorce
100% agreed. I should have clarified that I wouldn't call him toxic either. I was trying to get that through, 'he is the better one of the lot'. Jin and his mom are selfish, self-centered and cowards in a way. Hwan's dad is weak allowing a lot to just happen. Whether he is a victim or not, I mean this is how toxic relationships work, right? For an outsider, it seems obvious that he should have just left his wife but he doesn't. And so many abusive relationships are like that.
And I agree with you in that when Hwan was young, it made sense that as a father you would protect the children. I totally get it. I would have done the same thing, to be honest.
But years have passed since. they are all adults now and Jin and his mother have continued to take advantage of these two. If they had grown from the incident and tried to be better, then fine. But that never happened. Things just kept getting worse. And Hwan's dad just left Hwan be in the dark even though Hwan is not like father. Hwan even said, 'That's your opinion' in retort to 'you did because of love, not guilt'. At some point, this should have been talked about so that Hwan can make his own decisions as an adult.
Oh my, at this rate i might start hating Ji soo bcs of this role. Whenever i see him i want to call the police.…
Haha... I am surprised by your hatred towards Hwan.
He never forced himself on YeJi. When she asked him to leave once before, he did for years. And when he is around, he has simply been supportive of her and her happiness. He has not asked her to be with him. The only time he said anything was years after he thought his brother was dead. But invariably, the 7 or 8 years in this timeline, he always stood back and did whatever he could to support her happiness and freedom.
If anything, in the recent episodes, he told her that it is in her right to leave if she wants to and that he will support her leaving.
And the fact is that YeJi has shown interest in him from the beginning and while they never crossed any line, they have had a connection. She has always relied on him. YeJi has never behaved with him as she would with a person she is not interested in. It is there in the things she says, she does, her body language. The writers intended it that way.
I am not sure why people call him a stalker etc. He lives in the same house and they work on the same project, so obviously when there is an issue, he will try to help and since he likes her, he will go out of his way to help. He was like this his Dad too. Even in the first episode, they showed how much he did for his Dad. He is the type who takes responsible. And I know of people like this real life. It is natural for them to take initiative and be there for others.
Hwan's dad is toxic too,selfish just like his wife. No wonder he never asks for a divorce
Hwan's dad is the better one of the lot but the truth is that by keeping the truth from Hwan, he let Hwan carry a burden his whole life.
He knew that Hwan felt guilty for his inability to walk, he knew of Hwan's love for YeJi from the beginning, he knew that Hwan put so much aside to be there for him and his brother and yet, he never tried to put a stop to any of it or support Hwan. Worse, he never thought it was important to tell Hwan the truth or even wonder how Hwan felt through his life. He just assumed that Hwan has a big heart and has love and so he will do it. And this happens in life. Just because a family member is a responsible one, you throw more and more at them and take them for granted. But that person is a human too. There is a price they pay.
Also the fact that Hwan's father abetted his wife's and other son's behavior made Hwan's life worse. He didn't stand his ground with his wife or anyone.
Okay, I am in a dilemma now. I wanted to watch the show for Ji Soo but the comments made me reluctant to. Should…
It depends on what you like. If you like angsty romances with characters that are all flawed in some ways, then you might enjoy it. There are a couple of characters that are a bit too evil and over the top which was a bit annoying but overall, I have enjoyed watching it.
No one is perfect. Relationships and human behavior is complicated. With elements of exaggeration, the show tries to walk that line. The truth is that there are toxic relationships that people stick onto even if the obvious answer is to leave. The show explores some of those qualities.
If you are a fan of JiSoo, it was a good show to watch for him. Of course, we don't know the ending yet. So I can't tell you how it will go but I watched it primarily for JiSoo too and since I like slow burn romances and character stories, etc, it was good.
I have to say, the show has absolutely gorgeous cinematography, excellent acting especially by the three main leads, and a really good background score. The production quality was very high.
Listen hwan is still persistent and comforting to ye ji because she allows it. Because i can't see my self entertaining…
Completely agree with you. Hwan is not imagining this stuff but the other important point, I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Hwan is pursuing her. He wanted her to be happy and live a life (not with him) after years of being sad and miserable when Jin disappeared. Yes, there were two moments when he leaned in to kiss her when he shouldn't have (because Ye Ji was still conflicted) but this was when he believed Jin to be dead. Also, to be perfectly fair, the second time, he stopped himself. Regardless, he shouldn't have even leaned in.
But nevertheless, when Jin is around, he has pretty much always stood back. If somebody considers being there for someone you care about, especially your family, as meddling, I don't know what is not. Hwan is always the one who is there for Ye Ji when she is having a tough time. If Jin were not such an idiot, there is no reason for Hwan to help Yeji. Hwan's character is such. He was there for his father, he was there for his brother, he was there for Ye Ji's mom. He basically shows up and takes responsibility for the people around him without asking for anything in return.
If he found her intriguing, he should have just reached out and talked to her. Then it is up to her to decide if she wants to continue the conversation or not.
I agree with you in the moral questions that arises in a man loving his brother's wife or a woman loving her husband's brother. I think this is where some of personal views and experiences come into play.
I am of the opinion that people feel things sure, but how you act on it is very important. So long as Hwan or Yeji stay on their paths while Yeji and Jin are married, that is fine. And they did. And honestly, it wasn't some lust filled love. They care about each other as human beings first. And they want the other person happy.
Again, Hwan, never stepped forward when Jin and Yeji are legally married together. I have to point this out. So I am not sure when Hwan 'went after Yeji' when Jin was in the wheelchair. It did not seem that way to me at all.
Now if Yeji and Jin are divorced, while it is weird, it is not illegal or unheard of. In this case, particularly, because of the extremely strained relationship between Hwan and Jin, it makes it even more plausible. Jin more or less abandoned Hwan when he was young -- from cutting the the rope to ignoring him to disregarding Hwan's feeling for Yeji to disrespecting his promise to mistrusting Hwan for no reason. This whole thing would have gone differently had Jin treated his brother with love and respect. He never did. In episode 15, he still doesn't. And only now after the realisation of what Jin did and also, that Yeji is leaving Jin that Hwan even remotely hopes for something.
Now -- again, people can only agree to disagree here because while questionable, it is not a crime nor so out of the world. This depends on how much gray one is able to stomach or accept. Life is nor perfect. People are not perfect. In this story, people in the family are all one for one selfish and weak. Even Hwan is not perfect (he hurts Amber for instance). So you can't look at Hwan just on his own. Nor can you look at Yeji on her own. This is the same reason why even though Jin has his faults, I understand that there are people like this.
To the question of hand grabbing, in general I find that weird in Kdramas. Whether it is a good looking guy, bad looking guy, what have you. As a foreigner, I find it strange that hand-grabbing is normalized. It is not cool no matter who does it. And I wish kdramas stopped doing that. But it seems to be very common in kdramas. Given that context, since Yeji likes Hwan, I can assure you that no matter who played the role, I would not have found it over the top because Yeji likes Hwan, as in the character not Jisoo. Yeji has made it abundantly clear that Hwan has special access to her. I am of the camp that they have always had a special relationship.
Now, how is Hwan responsible for Yeji's confusion? People like other people for their reasons. A person can love you to the moon but if you don't love them back, you wouldn't be confused. Period. That is just how it works. So how is Hwan responsible for Yeji's confusion? That is an unfair judgement, in my opinion.
As for Amber, yes -- he screwed up but he owned up to it and let her go. Again, they are not showing a perfect character. Human beings do this. It is not the end of the world. How many people date others longer than they should or say yes to people out of pity or because of some insecurity or what have you? While not good, they happen. Amber was 100% right in being mad at Hwan. What was redeeming about Hwan was that he understood what he did and understood it was wrong and let her go.
Yeji likes Hwan. When Yeji asked Hwan to leave, he did. But fundamentally, she likes him. And she doesn't like him because Hwan manipulated her. She likes him because he is a good guy who understands her and is there for her.
Those are my thoughts!
And I agree with you in that when Hwan was young, it made sense that as a father you would protect the children. I totally get it. I would have done the same thing, to be honest.
But years have passed since. they are all adults now and Jin and his mother have continued to take advantage of these two. If they had grown from the incident and tried to be better, then fine. But that never happened. Things just kept getting worse. And Hwan's dad just left Hwan be in the dark even though Hwan is not like father. Hwan even said, 'That's your opinion' in retort to 'you did because of love, not guilt'. At some point, this should have been talked about so that Hwan can make his own decisions as an adult.
He never forced himself on YeJi. When she asked him to leave once before, he did for years. And when he is around, he has simply been supportive of her and her happiness. He has not asked her to be with him. The only time he said anything was years after he thought his brother was dead. But invariably, the 7 or 8 years in this timeline, he always stood back and did whatever he could to support her happiness and freedom.
If anything, in the recent episodes, he told her that it is in her right to leave if she wants to and that he will support her leaving.
And the fact is that YeJi has shown interest in him from the beginning and while they never crossed any line, they have had a connection. She has always relied on him. YeJi has never behaved with him as she would with a person she is not interested in. It is there in the things she says, she does, her body language. The writers intended it that way.
I am not sure why people call him a stalker etc. He lives in the same house and they work on the same project, so obviously when there is an issue, he will try to help and since he likes her, he will go out of his way to help. He was like this his Dad too. Even in the first episode, they showed how much he did for his Dad. He is the type who takes responsible. And I know of people like this real life. It is natural for them to take initiative and be there for others.
My 2 cents.
He knew that Hwan felt guilty for his inability to walk, he knew of Hwan's love for YeJi from the beginning, he knew that Hwan put so much aside to be there for him and his brother and yet, he never tried to put a stop to any of it or support Hwan. Worse, he never thought it was important to tell Hwan the truth or even wonder how Hwan felt through his life. He just assumed that Hwan has a big heart and has love and so he will do it. And this happens in life. Just because a family member is a responsible one, you throw more and more at them and take them for granted. But that person is a human too. There is a price they pay.
Also the fact that Hwan's father abetted his wife's and other son's behavior made Hwan's life worse. He didn't stand his ground with his wife or anyone.
No one is perfect. Relationships and human behavior is complicated. With elements of exaggeration, the show tries to walk that line. The truth is that there are toxic relationships that people stick onto even if the obvious answer is to leave. The show explores some of those qualities.
If you are a fan of JiSoo, it was a good show to watch for him. Of course, we don't know the ending yet. So I can't tell you how it will go but I watched it primarily for JiSoo too and since I like slow burn romances and character stories, etc, it was good.
I have to say, the show has absolutely gorgeous cinematography, excellent acting especially by the three main leads, and a really good background score. The production quality was very high.
But nevertheless, when Jin is around, he has pretty much always stood back. If somebody considers being there for someone you care about, especially your family, as meddling, I don't know what is not. Hwan is always the one who is there for Ye Ji when she is having a tough time. If Jin were not such an idiot, there is no reason for Hwan to help Yeji. Hwan's character is such. He was there for his father, he was there for his brother, he was there for Ye Ji's mom. He basically shows up and takes responsibility for the people around him without asking for anything in return.