I'm not inclined to attack or write an essay. About the last point on timing, XL was physically the furthest away…
The only insight I can provide from the novel on that point is that it describes the assassination in its entirety, then it shows XL feeling the assasination and leaving the remanant army camp, then it shows CX sensing it and leaving his palace, and then it shows TSJ sensing it and the scene continues from his POV with him tracking XY and discovering her body.
Might be more of an editing choice to not intercut the assassination sequence with their reactions as they feel them?
Since we have nothing but time until new episodes on Monday let’s analyze what the *SHOW* says about the bugs.…
I'm not inclined to attack or write an essay.
About the last point on timing, XL was physically the furthest away from XY when her assassination happened. TSJ was the closest, had his calamity-anticipating ability, and his tracking ability. So he arrived first. CX was the second closest and he also had a similar ability - he can sense when a loved one is about to die (he anticipated both his father and his grandmother's deaths this way). So he arrived second. XL left the remnant army camp outside of QS town when he felt the assassination take place through the bug connection but had to fly overnight (if I remember correctly) to get to Shengnong Mountain, where CX's people had taken XY's body.
This is the translation for the last few scenes in the leaked script: https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/110123-xl-and-xy-story-and-romance-warning-spoilers?pid=2904229&page=420#p2904229
This is the translation for the last few scenes in the leaked script: https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/110123-xl-and-xy-story-and-romance-warning-spoilers?pid=2904229&page=420#p2904229
I'm not sure which pairing you're referring to?
As for whether or not the dream sequence from the leaked script ends up being reflected in the final version of the drama or not, I think we just have to wait and see.
This is the translation for the last few scenes in the leaked script: https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/110123-xl-and-xy-story-and-romance-warning-spoilers?pid=2904229&page=420#p2904229
Are Xiao Yao and Cang Xuan cousins? CX address XY's mom aunt? Doesn't that make them cousins? So how come he has…
In the novel, XY and CX are first cousins. CX has romantic feelings for XY anyway. It doesn't seem totally uncommon in this particular setting. Feng Long and Xing Yue's father married his cousin.
In the drama, XY and CX seem to still be related, but not as closely as first cousins. Possibly second cousins.
For my follow-up theory to SoTreeD's theory, I don't think XL would necessarily be in constant pain. More likely the pain would only arise in those moments of heartbreak that I described and then XL would have to use his power to repress the bugs once again.
Like I was saying to blabla100, in this theory the bugs haven't lost their efficacy. The bug connection can still be used and the bugs have not yet become Heartbreak Bugs. They are backfiring and on the verge of becoming Heartbreak Bugs at times, but XL uses his power to stop it from happening.
Again, just speculation. I don't think we have enough evidence from the drama yet to know if the theory works or not.
AH explained it in depth here:https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/120191-are-cang-xuan-and-xiao-yao-blood-relatives-in-the-drama
The details included in the page that Kokuto linked to are... alot. If the link isn't working for you, Liu Shui's suggestion was right. You can find the thread by going to the MDL page for S1. It's included among the discussion threads there.
Happy to answer any specific questions here or in that thread, but it's a bit too much to reproduce everything here.
Can someone explain to me why XY blood heals ppl. I cant remember why.
Two reasons.
The main one is that she lived on Jade Mountain for 70 years and consumed Jade Mountain peaches and bone essence throughout that time. This is clearer in the novel, but in the drama XY does still mention that when she escaped from Jade Mountain (as a child) demons searched for her and wanted to eat her because they knew her blood / body would significantly enhance their strength. XY's mother also lived on Jade Mountain for a long time when she was younger (60 years, if I remember correctly) and her blood also had healing properties and she also used Jade Mountain peaches to help heal sick mortals in Jiuli.
The second reason is more speculative. When the nine-tailed fox captured XY as a child after she ran away from Jade Mountain and kept her captive for 30 years, he also wanted to eat her to restore his lost power (as Chi Chen had cut off one of his nine tails in a previous encounter involving XY, and a nine-tailed fox stores their power in their tails). So he fed XY horrible concoctions that caused her spiritual power to seep into her blood where it would be most potent when he ate her. That is why XY had high spiritual power as a child when she ran away from Jade Mountain and low spiritual power after the nine-tailed fox captured her. Most of her spiritual power now resides in her blood where she cannot access it, and that locked-away spiritual power might add to her blood's healing properties.
We have to wait and see if the drama adapts this part of the novel or not (from chapter 48), but in the novel…
If I remember correctly, since XY doesn't actually give herself a lethal dose of poison (it becomes part of CX's dream sequence), XL doesn't need to use the bug connection to save her life again in the drama. He only needs to sever the connection before he dies on the battlefield.
But in the theory I was speculating about, the bugs have not actually become Heartbreak Bugs. They backfire when XL feels intense heartbreak over letting XY go and they are at risk of becoming Heartbreak Bugs as a result, but XL uses his spiritual power to successfully repress them so that they don't cause XY pain (except in that one instance in QS town when he intentionally lets her feel the pain) and they don't cause him or XY to die.
Just a theory for now. We'll see how things go in the remaining episodes.
We have to wait and see if the drama adapts this part of the novel or not (from chapter 48), but in the novel…
It seemed to me that they also added XY jumping up in anticipation when she saw the snow out at sea to make it clearer to the audience that she was specifically waiting for XL.
We have to wait and see if the drama adapts this part of the novel or not (from chapter 48), but in the novel…
Some fans have discussed this topic (the source of XL's pain that he caused XY to feel through the bug connection in chapter 32) before in one of the S1 discussion threads (only with respect to the scene in the novel, as the drama episode hadn't aired yet).
Your theory is an interesting one and I think the drama has added several scenes that are not in the novel that support it. Like the instances where the bug in XL's heart glows, visibly causes him pain, and needs to be suppressed by him.
My follow-up theory would be that they've added those details to emphasize that every time XL acts harshly towards XY to push her away from himself / to push her towards TSJ and he succeeds (e.g., when he left XY in the middle of the ocean to swim back to shore and meet up with TSJ, who was waiting for her, as the bugs first seemed to react when XL observed the two of them together on shore in that scene in S1 Ep19), the bugs react to the heartbreak he feels... adding the physical pain of a backfiring poisonous bug (which we know from TSJ's grandmother's backfiring poisonous bug is an excruciating pain) to the emotional pain he is already enduring to make drama!XL come across as all the more tragic. That feels like it would be in line with the general vibe they've gone for with XL in the drama so far.
Hopefully the drama will give us a bit more clarity about how the bugs work in the drama universe and we'll get a better sense of whether these theories are accurate or not.
Edit: Based on your comments above, it looks like we are thinking of some of the same scenes.
We have to wait and see if the drama adapts this part of the novel or not (from chapter 48), but in the novel…
I agree that distinction hasn't been made in the drama yet and tbh I really don't know if it will end up getting included. They've made so many changes already.
I also agree that XY's feelings for XL are different than her feelings for TSJ. But, personally, I don't think I'd go so far as to say her feelings for XL in the drama are not romantic. Even though the drama has made a ton of changes from the novel, many of which take away moments or details that suggest (IMO) that XY did have romantic feelings for XL, they've also *added* some things that seem like they are intended to allude to XY having romantic feelings for XL. For example, changing the colour of XY's robes when she waited for XL on the shore of Five Gods Mountain from white to red (i.e., wedding attire colour).
AH explained it in depth here:https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/120191-are-cang-xuan-and-xiao-yao-blood-relatives-in-the-drama
Thank you for reminding me Kokuto. At some point I need to update that page to include all the new relevant references we’ve gotten in S2.
I think we got one more reference to XY’s mother being the Queen of Xiyan’s disciple, several instances of the former King of Xiyan assuring XY that she would always be his “recognized” granddaughter (which seems to be their way of emphasizing that she is not his biological granddaughter), and CX also referencing XY being the former King of Xiyan’s “recognized” granddaughter to his court.
ok since people replied to my previous comment about SHOW XY and XL having an unrequited romantic love relationship…
We have to wait and see if the drama adapts this part of the novel or not (from chapter 48), but in the novel it is clarified that the poisonous bug that was planted in CX by XY was not “successfully” planted (because CX did not willingly accept the bug) so it only behaved like a regular poisonous bug and did not tie WXL and CX’s hearts and lives together. It only transferred WXL’s pain and sensations to CX as she expected it to. But when it was transferred to XL, he accepted it whole-heartedly so it was successfully planted / it became a Lovers Bug and did tie WXL and XL’s hearts and lives together, which enabled XL to use the bug connection to save XY’s life on more than one occasion.
There are a few reasons, but the main one comes down to their respective loyalties. When XY and CX were children,…
It's possible that he would have gone to Jiuli / Baili to learn how to do the kind of blood magic that he used to save XY's life in chapter 22 and chapter 48 / to learn how to break the bug connection. Or he could have met a Jiuli / Baili person outside of Jiuli/Baili, just as XY met Se Mai Er in QQ. Or he might have learned about it another way.
In the novel, it's implied through XY's guessing that he might have known certain things about the poisonous bugs by virtue of being a demon, as demons were from the same world as creatures and monsters.
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Chapter 7:
Xiang Liu asked, “Since he’s so precious to you, why not remove the bug?”
Xiao Liu didn’t answer and thought for a long time. Since he was a demon, and demons and creatures and monsters were all in the same world, perhaps he might know something.
“It’s not that I don’t want to remove the bug, it’s that I can’t. Last time I was injured, you used all sorts of weird medicines on me. The bug had some type of transformation. He asked me to remove the bug and I lied that I’ll do it when he leaves. Recently I’ve been trying all sorts of ways to coax the bug out of him but nothing works.”
Xiang Liu thought about it. “If you don’t want to die, then don’t try calling it back. The only solution is to find a way to transfer the bug to another person.”
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For the drama, I don't necessarily take Lirong Ji urging XL to go to the Shaman King to remove the poisonous bug as meaning that XL himself did not already know how to break the connection. IMO, it only demonstrates that Lirong Ji didn't know how to do so. Unless I missed a detail in that scene. I haven't gone back to rewatch it yet.
for those who've read the novel - did XY ever find out that it was CX who spread the word about her birth father?
I haven't gone back to the novel to confirm this for sure so I could be wrong, but off the top of my head I don't recall there being any scene in the novel where XY found out that CX was behind the rumours that spread about her true parentage.
There are a few reasons, but the main one comes down to their respective loyalties. When XY and CX were children,…
True, our convo does have an update now that we've seen that scene in s2 and it does seem like Lirong Ji does not himself know how to remove the bugs, so he could not have passed that information on to XL in S1.
However, I'm not sure anyone would have been able to tell XL how to remove the Lovers Bugs. In the novel, the Shaman King told XY that he didn't think it was possible.
As Sir Bi observed in chapter 48, XL's method for breaking the bug connection was one that only he was capable of using, because he is unique in LYF. No one else has multiple lives to spare as a sacrifice to lure out poisonous bugs so they can be killed.
So perhaps XL had to figure out his method for breaking the connection on his own. If that were the case, who knows when he would have figured it out? Before the bug was transferred? Or after? And how confident was he that his method would work?
In the novel, XL says to XY (when she was unconscious / when he was breaking the connection by killing the bugs) that he didn't tell her that he was able to break the bug connection by killing the bugs because she didn't ask the right question. To me, that means that every time she asked about removing the bug he knew how to break the bug connection and chose not to tell her (as opposed to him simply not knowing how to break the connection until the 11th hour).
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Might be more of an editing choice to not intercut the assassination sequence with their reactions as they feel them?
It's also implied that he enjoys getting poisons that are made "just for him" from WXL/XY.
About the last point on timing, XL was physically the furthest away from XY when her assassination happened. TSJ was the closest, had his calamity-anticipating ability, and his tracking ability. So he arrived first. CX was the second closest and he also had a similar ability - he can sense when a loved one is about to die (he anticipated both his father and his grandmother's deaths this way). So he arrived second. XL left the remnant army camp outside of QS town when he felt the assassination take place through the bug connection but had to fly overnight (if I remember correctly) to get to Shengnong Mountain, where CX's people had taken XY's body.
As for whether or not the dream sequence from the leaked script ends up being reflected in the final version of the drama or not, I think we just have to wait and see.
In the drama, XY and CX seem to still be related, but not as closely as first cousins. Possibly second cousins.
The details for both are covered at length here: https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/120191-are-cang-xuan-and-xiao-yao-blood-relatives-in-the-drama
For my follow-up theory to SoTreeD's theory, I don't think XL would necessarily be in constant pain. More likely the pain would only arise in those moments of heartbreak that I described and then XL would have to use his power to repress the bugs once again.
Like I was saying to blabla100, in this theory the bugs haven't lost their efficacy. The bug connection can still be used and the bugs have not yet become Heartbreak Bugs. They are backfiring and on the verge of becoming Heartbreak Bugs at times, but XL uses his power to stop it from happening.
Again, just speculation. I don't think we have enough evidence from the drama yet to know if the theory works or not.
Happy to answer any specific questions here or in that thread, but it's a bit too much to reproduce everything here.
The main one is that she lived on Jade Mountain for 70 years and consumed Jade Mountain peaches and bone essence throughout that time. This is clearer in the novel, but in the drama XY does still mention that when she escaped from Jade Mountain (as a child) demons searched for her and wanted to eat her because they knew her blood / body would significantly enhance their strength. XY's mother also lived on Jade Mountain for a long time when she was younger (60 years, if I remember correctly) and her blood also had healing properties and she also used Jade Mountain peaches to help heal sick mortals in Jiuli.
The second reason is more speculative. When the nine-tailed fox captured XY as a child after she ran away from Jade Mountain and kept her captive for 30 years, he also wanted to eat her to restore his lost power (as Chi Chen had cut off one of his nine tails in a previous encounter involving XY, and a nine-tailed fox stores their power in their tails). So he fed XY horrible concoctions that caused her spiritual power to seep into her blood where it would be most potent when he ate her. That is why XY had high spiritual power as a child when she ran away from Jade Mountain and low spiritual power after the nine-tailed fox captured her. Most of her spiritual power now resides in her blood where she cannot access it, and that locked-away spiritual power might add to her blood's healing properties.
But in the theory I was speculating about, the bugs have not actually become Heartbreak Bugs. They backfire when XL feels intense heartbreak over letting XY go and they are at risk of becoming Heartbreak Bugs as a result, but XL uses his spiritual power to successfully repress them so that they don't cause XY pain (except in that one instance in QS town when he intentionally lets her feel the pain) and they don't cause him or XY to die.
Just a theory for now. We'll see how things go in the remaining episodes.
Your theory is an interesting one and I think the drama has added several scenes that are not in the novel that support it. Like the instances where the bug in XL's heart glows, visibly causes him pain, and needs to be suppressed by him.
My follow-up theory would be that they've added those details to emphasize that every time XL acts harshly towards XY to push her away from himself / to push her towards TSJ and he succeeds (e.g., when he left XY in the middle of the ocean to swim back to shore and meet up with TSJ, who was waiting for her, as the bugs first seemed to react when XL observed the two of them together on shore in that scene in S1 Ep19), the bugs react to the heartbreak he feels... adding the physical pain of a backfiring poisonous bug (which we know from TSJ's grandmother's backfiring poisonous bug is an excruciating pain) to the emotional pain he is already enduring to make drama!XL come across as all the more tragic. That feels like it would be in line with the general vibe they've gone for with XL in the drama so far.
Hopefully the drama will give us a bit more clarity about how the bugs work in the drama universe and we'll get a better sense of whether these theories are accurate or not.
Edit: Based on your comments above, it looks like we are thinking of some of the same scenes.
I also agree that XY's feelings for XL are different than her feelings for TSJ. But, personally, I don't think I'd go so far as to say her feelings for XL in the drama are not romantic. Even though the drama has made a ton of changes from the novel, many of which take away moments or details that suggest (IMO) that XY did have romantic feelings for XL, they've also *added* some things that seem like they are intended to allude to XY having romantic feelings for XL. For example, changing the colour of XY's robes when she waited for XL on the shore of Five Gods Mountain from white to red (i.e., wedding attire colour).
I think we got one more reference to XY’s mother being the Queen of Xiyan’s disciple, several instances of the former King of Xiyan assuring XY that she would always be his “recognized” granddaughter (which seems to be their way of emphasizing that she is not his biological granddaughter), and CX also referencing XY being the former King of Xiyan’s “recognized” granddaughter to his court.
In the novel, it's implied through XY's guessing that he might have known certain things about the poisonous bugs by virtue of being a demon, as demons were from the same world as creatures and monsters.
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Chapter 7:
Xiang Liu asked, “Since he’s so precious to you, why not remove the bug?”
Xiao Liu didn’t answer and thought for a long time. Since he was a demon, and demons and creatures and monsters were all in the same world, perhaps he might know something.
“It’s not that I don’t want to remove the bug, it’s that I can’t. Last time I was injured, you used all sorts of weird medicines on me. The bug had some type of transformation. He asked me to remove the bug and I lied that I’ll do it when he leaves. Recently I’ve been trying all sorts of ways to coax the bug out of him but nothing works.”
Xiang Liu thought about it. “If you don’t want to die, then don’t try calling it back. The only solution is to find a way to transfer the bug to another person.”
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For the drama, I don't necessarily take Lirong Ji urging XL to go to the Shaman King to remove the poisonous bug as meaning that XL himself did not already know how to break the connection. IMO, it only demonstrates that Lirong Ji didn't know how to do so. Unless I missed a detail in that scene. I haven't gone back to rewatch it yet.
However, I'm not sure anyone would have been able to tell XL how to remove the Lovers Bugs. In the novel, the Shaman King told XY that he didn't think it was possible.
As Sir Bi observed in chapter 48, XL's method for breaking the bug connection was one that only he was capable of using, because he is unique in LYF. No one else has multiple lives to spare as a sacrifice to lure out poisonous bugs so they can be killed.
So perhaps XL had to figure out his method for breaking the connection on his own. If that were the case, who knows when he would have figured it out? Before the bug was transferred? Or after? And how confident was he that his method would work?
In the novel, XL says to XY (when she was unconscious / when he was breaking the connection by killing the bugs) that he didn't tell her that he was able to break the bug connection by killing the bugs because she didn't ask the right question. To me, that means that every time she asked about removing the bug he knew how to break the bug connection and chose not to tell her (as opposed to him simply not knowing how to break the connection until the 11th hour).