Lol WHAT the psychiatrist said a kid should be separated from the parents based on a drawing having some minor details that are a little strange (has he ever seen kids' drawings?). So unrealistic.
Adios. This is my last message here.Because of this case, I've become very suicidal.It's been 25 days observing…
It's good that people are taking both sides, rather than everyone jumping on the same bandwagon, because it makes it more likely for him to be judged fairly. I don't view it as proof of a harsh world. If people jump on bandwagons too easily, bad things happen, like bullying, genocide or people making dumb decisions based on what's popular. If everyone was against him at this early stage that would be bad, if everyone was with him it would be bad too. It's also good that people aren't just discarded and at least some stand by them, even if the person did bad stuff. Nobody should be 100% discarded. I'm not saying this to take his side (I only heard of this case today), but just to give an upside to people standing with a bad person/someone who did very bad things (assuming he's guilty). And the world needs good people to make it better. If you want the world to be nicer, you should live and you can be someone who adds kindness, reduces suffering and promotes fair thinking in the world, even in small ways. You have some power to make the world as positive as possible. Like maybe someone here went through what Kim Sae Ron experienced...your comment could make them feel seen. If you die that potential to help others is gone, and you'll make people sad with your passing. All the people you could help won't be helped and will be more likely to interact with unkind people instead, making the world worse.
Also if you change your mind, don't feel embarassed about coming back. Or even if you do end up feeling embarassed, a moment of embarassment is worth it for the dream of a better future.
Damn I was watching this show to feel good, getting to see friendship, realistic character hardships and fantasy violence against bad people, but the end of ep 7 onwards screwed that up for me lol and made me feel empty. Su Ho was such a bright light and upstanding kid :( At least ep 8 made it a little better. I'm bummed out they didn't have a happier ending, like uncovering Beomseok's dad's disgusting abuse (IMO in ep 8 he knows he can't do anything against his dad, so falsely puts blame on Yeongi instead) and then becoming friends again, they could all train fighting together and beat up more criminals/bullies. I'll miss the three boys' friendship, especially as they were in the first 6 episodes. I found the character writing very realistic, liked the dark realities of life it showed and enjoyed seeing Sieun's empathy and compassion (even though he's a psycho in fights. Btw how is everyone so durable in this show!).
Sad to hear of her passing. Thanks for the roles in the movies she made - two of my fave movies, that touched me. Very sad, damn. Gonna be weird to see her childhood movies and think that child has died. I at least hope others around her or who contributed reflect, change and teach others to change. If there's a small chance anyone reading this has similar thoughts to her, know that who you are is so much more than the worst things people say about you (even if it's lots of people saying it), your suicidal feelings are only temporary and you should live so other people can't tell a false story about you when you die (eff them). Even if other people don't like you (but probably some people would care more than you expect, if you died), your life still has value and there will be ppl out there who accept you.
I've never read the manhwa, but I liked the first episode a lot and got hooked in the second, watching these crazy teenagers. The MC has crazy nerves of steel.
I'm glad I carried on watching this. Pretty rare for a kdrama to have the level of making out this has in parts (but it's done romantically). Eps 5 and 6 were amazing. Ep 6 was maybe the best kdrama ep ever, the vocal ost matched it perfectly - perfect scene all-around, made me feel warm. edit: lol the ep descriptions are messed up, wtf eg: "his loser form reappears" brutal
His manager in ep 3 (or 6 30min eps) deciding who in the office should accompany Se Ra: "Put your hand up if you're single....put your hand up if you live alone....put your hand up if you're deputy director" - lol🤣, good one.
I'm watching this for Lee Sung Min. Took me a while to stop finding him funny by thinking of him as Oh Sang Sik from Misaeng. Cool to have another older-looking actor in Lee Jung Eun too. But omg people in ep 2 are a bit dumb (like others have said about the characters). just show your phone to the cop. and dont go to the window if they've claimed to be a killer. the hospital scene is gross.
edit: well I found episode 6 fucked up....wtf, I was planning to sleep after watching it. I should pick better shows to watch before I sleep lol.
Finished ep 2...Justitia isn't a cool anti-hero and is just a bad person so far. 1. Sending Bitna to hell when she had good reason to know she's innocent. 2. Tricking Minjeong's parents into having hope that someone was on their side, but then letting them down. 3. Watching on while the handsome abuser attacked Minjeong just so she could selfishly have someone to send to hell to meet her quota, even if it meant Minjeong got traumatised more, could be killed or ended up killing herself - tbf if she'd caught him in the act for attempted murder, he'd likely still attack Minjeong or her family after leaving prison in 7 years, so this one worked out ok. 4. Killing Da-on based on something he said when drunk and without knowing the facts. Didn't she learn from the Bitna case? Literally she's on Earth having to find killers in the first place due to being punished for being overzealous and too self-confident with her judgements and now she's doing the same thing! If you're hurting someone on Earth, you better take steps to be sure about it - never mind sending them to hell. 5. Drinking coke in court (surprised she's not drinking something flashier) and generally being unprofessional - but well done to the series makes a good point about how someone with connections can get away with so much, such as being a terrible judge. It would be cool if she was unprofessional/a maverick and still a great judge, but she's not there on merit but rather on the back of Kang Bit-na's many years of work, so it's not cool to me.
Anything good she did do (like making Minjeong safer by killing the abuser) was just a fortunate byproduct of her own selfishness. But I'll give her credit for killing Da-on quickly instead of drawing it out like a psycho.
Her acting is great though - hard to believe Bitna in hell and Justitia on Earth are the same actress. I'll keep watching because the show's interesting and hopefully FL stops acting like a teenager who just won the lottery!
Kinda weird how he supplants their personalities and consciousness. Like he just leaves ignores their families and happily leaves them behind (eg as the mma guy), but if he had their consciousness I doubt they'd do that so readily to their own family. That seemed dumb.
It's cool so many actors got to be the protagonist and they were all good (especially the baby lol). It was also really realistic how once he fell behind in his 20s it became almost impossible to catch up. The lessons of the last two episodes (the distress of losing himself living so many lives, which I think people do IRL too, plus the suicide stuff) were really good. When people are suicidal they forget or can't rationally see that there are people who care for them and would be pained to lose them. They may feel like a burden, but don't realise other people actually want to feel that burden - it's a privilege to be burdened by those we care for. The show doesn't address why to live if genuinely nobody cares for you though.
Also I found it funny how the model said he lived an easy life due to his looks, because Seo-in Guk is definitely good-looking too lol, but his life isn't easy.
Great, surprisingly realistic movie about child abuse/domestic abuse and its psychological effects (relatable for me), such as stifled emotions, communication difficulties and anger. 10/10, but tbh it's not one I'll rewatch often because it's very heavy.
What I found realistic is how characters keep their trauma secret (even though they probably desperately want to talk about it and it would help their healing), rather than some fairy tale tripe where they share everything and fall in love, when usually people take years to share this kind of abuse because they don't know how to talk about it or just think it might be normal; how the abused fail to recognise younger people going through the same plight and ignorantly treat them like they're spoilt, when they could have used their common experience to them; little things like an orphan who never experienced abuse saying "at least you have parents" (is it better to have a parent like that around or to have an absent parent?); and how they how the father has mellowed with age (because of guilt? Or just because he's a coward who stopped once his son got big enough to fight him?) and has moved on from the conflict, but the son still wants to fight that battle because he never got an opportunity to as a child.
Not a commonly explored subject, unfortunately. And when it is explored it usually focuses on the childhood phase, rather than the effects in adulthood and even then it usually ignores the internal psychological experience of the children, instead focusing on the adult characters surrounding the child - so it was great to see a realistic movie that approached it from the survivors' angle.
Eps 1-8 were great (idk why some people say it was boring. I'm usually awful at getting through episodes, but I had no problem here) and the last several eps were amazing too. Only part I found a little boring at times was Bongseok's parents' story. So many likeable or at least sympathetic characters, including the villains. The writer, all the minor actors, whoever directed the action, the cgi, cinematography...everyone did a great job. I'll probably watch it again. I don't think America would make a show like this, focused on the parent-child relationship.
I'm not saying this to take his side (I only heard of this case today), but just to give an upside to people standing with a bad person/someone who did very bad things (assuming he's guilty).
And the world needs good people to make it better. If you want the world to be nicer, you should live and you can be someone who adds kindness, reduces suffering and promotes fair thinking in the world, even in small ways. You have some power to make the world as positive as possible. Like maybe someone here went through what Kim Sae Ron experienced...your comment could make them feel seen. If you die that potential to help others is gone, and you'll make people sad with your passing. All the people you could help won't be helped and will be more likely to interact with unkind people instead, making the world worse.
Also if you change your mind, don't feel embarassed about coming back. Or even if you do end up feeling embarassed, a moment of embarassment is worth it for the dream of a better future.
edit: lol the ep descriptions are messed up, wtf eg: "his loser form reappears" brutal
if you're reading this, so are you
"Put your hand up if you're single....put your hand up if you live alone....put your hand up if you're deputy director" - lol🤣, good one.
But omg people in ep 2 are a bit dumb (like others have said about the characters). just show your phone to the cop. and dont go to the window if they've claimed to be a killer.
the hospital scene is gross.
edit: well I found episode 6 fucked up....wtf, I was planning to sleep after watching it. I should pick better shows to watch before I sleep lol.
1. Sending Bitna to hell when she had good reason to know she's innocent.
2. Tricking Minjeong's parents into having hope that someone was on their side, but then letting them down.
3. Watching on while the handsome abuser attacked Minjeong just so she could selfishly have someone to send to hell to meet her quota, even if it meant Minjeong got traumatised more, could be killed or ended up killing herself - tbf if she'd caught him in the act for attempted murder, he'd likely still attack Minjeong or her family after leaving prison in 7 years, so this one worked out ok.
4. Killing Da-on based on something he said when drunk and without knowing the facts. Didn't she learn from the Bitna case? Literally she's on Earth having to find killers in the first place due to being punished for being overzealous and too self-confident with her judgements and now she's doing the same thing! If you're hurting someone on Earth, you better take steps to be sure about it - never mind sending them to hell.
5. Drinking coke in court (surprised she's not drinking something flashier) and generally being unprofessional - but well done to the series makes a good point about how someone with connections can get away with so much, such as being a terrible judge. It would be cool if she was unprofessional/a maverick and still a great judge, but she's not there on merit but rather on the back of Kang Bit-na's many years of work, so it's not cool to me.
Anything good she did do (like making Minjeong safer by killing the abuser) was just a fortunate byproduct of her own selfishness. But I'll give her credit for killing Da-on quickly instead of drawing it out like a psycho.
Her acting is great though - hard to believe Bitna in hell and Justitia on Earth are the same actress. I'll keep watching because the show's interesting and hopefully FL stops acting like a teenager who just won the lottery!
It's cool so many actors got to be the protagonist and they were all good (especially the baby lol). It was also really realistic how once he fell behind in his 20s it became almost impossible to catch up. The lessons of the last two episodes (the distress of losing himself living so many lives, which I think people do IRL too, plus the suicide stuff) were really good. When people are suicidal they forget or can't rationally see that there are people who care for them and would be pained to lose them. They may feel like a burden, but don't realise other people actually want to feel that burden - it's a privilege to be burdened by those we care for. The show doesn't address why to live if genuinely nobody cares for you though.
Also I found it funny how the model said he lived an easy life due to his looks, because Seo-in Guk is definitely good-looking too lol, but his life isn't easy.
What I found realistic is how characters keep their trauma secret (even though they probably desperately want to talk about it and it would help their healing), rather than some fairy tale tripe where they share everything and fall in love, when usually people take years to share this kind of abuse because they don't know how to talk about it or just think it might be normal; how the abused fail to recognise younger people going through the same plight and ignorantly treat them like they're spoilt, when they could have used their common experience to them; little things like an orphan who never experienced abuse saying "at least you have parents" (is it better to have a parent like that around or to have an absent parent?); and how they how the father has mellowed with age (because of guilt? Or just because he's a coward who stopped once his son got big enough to fight him?) and has moved on from the conflict, but the son still wants to fight that battle because he never got an opportunity to as a child.
Not a commonly explored subject, unfortunately. And when it is explored it usually focuses on the childhood phase, rather than the effects in adulthood and even then it usually ignores the internal psychological experience of the children, instead focusing on the adult characters surrounding the child - so it was great to see a realistic movie that approached it from the survivors' angle.
I don't think America would make a show like this, focused on the parent-child relationship.