Story, acting cast, ost
The story is grounded, all relationships are believable and beautiful in their own ways, each character was well-developed and acted out (cast is a.ma.zing.). No stupid decision-making, no stupid xianxia tropes, a credible story that just draws you in.One of the unique dramas where there's 1 female lead with 4 male leads, but you root for every one of them in their own ways.
OST is lovely, the instrumentals are poignant and grand, each major scene held strong on its own with each lead.
Definitely worth rewatching, especially when there's season 2 coming next time.
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Review for both seasons as one
Not a big fan of romance-heavy plots and definitely not one with a harem. But this one went way above expectations in season one. The majority of the actors did an amazing job and I was really happy to finally see a large cast of younger folks actually doing some serious acting. This series also has enough reviews with substantial plot discussions so I'll just summarize what made this one special and what made it falter for me.Positives:
- The character for the FL was incredibly charming and loaded with substance especially during her time disguised as a man.
- The three main male love interests were full of complex depth and what connected them to her through her journey were very natural considering the deity/demon aspects. Xiang Liu and Xiyan Cang Xuan in particular were extraordinary and while Tushan Jing fit his character pretty well initially he became bland relatively quickly.
- I've lost count on the amount of tears that were jerked. It managed to drudge up a variety of emotions from my own ancient relationships that I haven't thought about in years.
- The series does a good job with bringing to life the complexities with relationships in general while moving the plot forward with the underlying political issues.
Negatives (mostly in season two):
- The character of the FL began to falter in the latter half of season two. But at this point, you're already invested so you're likely to try hard to justify her actions. It was disappointing to see her slowly evolve into self-pity and selfishness.
- The plot gets increasingly muddled pacing and unnecessary out-of-place scenes. Why did they bother "reuniting" her with her mother? It really diminished the build-up of her parents and their history. They would have done a better job with a real flashback.
- The scenes with her chosen love interest starts to get excessive. It should have been used more on Xiang Liu to build out more of his backstory (though I may be biased as he's the main one bringing on those tears and heartaches).
- It was unsatisfying to see the FL's lack of appreciation and empathy toward the other two love interests and their sacrifices when her focuses shift onto just the one.
- While the special effects on the deities/demons were done pretty well, the fight scenes were below average. I wish we saw more of the transformations.
Nevertheless, I was totally hooked on season one against my will which is what keeps the score high. Season two is a direct continuation and I ended up speeding up a few episodes because of the negatives listed above.
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INTELLECTUAL FEAST WITH MORAL POISON - PART 1/2
Let me share the booty of a theme-hunting trek to the bottom of the C-drama “Lost You Forever.”TODAY’S CIVILISATIONAL CRISIS AS THE KEY
A possible key to understanding this drama comes from today’s civilisational crisis. The war is not evil vs good. It is evil against non-evil. Evil is offensive, uses good as a disguise. Non-evil is in self-defence, without masks. Fascination with evil is characteristic of inexperienced persons who have yet to learn the hard way how foul the evil actually is. Once you experience the pain of physical or mental torture, you cannot imagine embracing it willingly. No matter if the person inflicting the pain evinces positive traits, noble objectives, kinship.
From EP1, this series was bound to divide viewers into opposing camps: those who got captivated by the nine-headed snake demon & those who appreciated the nine-tailed deity fox. In Chinese mythology, the snake brings flood, mire, infertility; the fox – life & family; it turns female (refined from the roughness of masculinity) after 15 years.
When Xiao Yao prefers to drown rather than let Xiang Liu kiss her, this rejection works on her subconscious layer. When she stands alone at the altar, vowing eternal love to the missing Tushan Jing, her consciousness has consolidated the decision.
Cang Xuan’s attempt to draw her away from that altar is like bereaving her of her maturity, ripping out of her the essence of her lifelong experience, acquired through blood & tears. Separating her from her icon of non-evil would be like killing them. Indulging in obsession, the young king develops resemblance to Chenrong Xin Yue…
ATROCITY – DEPICTION OR GLORIFICATION?
Brutality is evident in this drama. It permeates not only throne disputes, but also love, friendship, leisure, evident even in the awfully graphic depiction of meat dishes. I acknowledge that the story has impressive depth & you can bask in subtlety with no detriment to dignity, but there is also this gloomy side that covers the bright one.
It is decisive if the aim is to show to what extent atrocity is potentially present in life, or to glorify it to bewilder the viewers, stimulate crudest instincts, intimidate the non-evil. The intention is crucial.
The story did influence us morally. It tore a cleft between a few quiet observers (e.g. Hyperborea) & many acknowledged reviewers virtually devouring Tushan Jing (& the innocent actor), teaming up to find a fault on him, to mob him, to bereave him of his merit, exploiting his desolate state, wounds, damaged meridians. Moreover, though it was expressed explicitly that his renunciation of vengeance is deliberate, with awareness of the risk & price, it has obstinately been misinterpreted as one more weakness, to hit him yet harder & directly compromise Xiao Yao’s core wisdom.
I feel exasperated among so many Tushan Hous & Fangfeng Yi Yings…
My rewatch value will be 5: arithmetic average of 10 for the intellectual value but 0 for the misuse of violence.
Down with the glorification & relativisation of evil, justification of abuse, trivialisation of hurt!
TAOISM VS FREUDIANISM
On one hand, this work is rich in references to the Chinese heritage. There are quotations or phrases that follow the spirit of Taoism (naturalness), Confucianism (human coexistence), Buddhism (suffering vs desire).
Examples:
- “What is gained cannot make up for what is lost” from the ancient “Records of the Three Kingdoms,”
- Xiao Yao on maturing – “The broader the sky, the narrower the paths people can take,”
- Grand King on empathy – “My pain makes me relate to others who are in pain,”
- Xiang Liu on self-knowledge – “People need to evaluate their happiness or misery only by comparison with others” (similar to the proverb “Comparisons among men often kill those who compare”),
- Xiang Liu on love – “Parasol trees grow old together,”
- Tushan Jing on talent – “A tall tree is bound to attract phoenixes” (as in proverb: “When a tree is tall, phoenixes will come,”
- Xiao Yao on endurance – “Waiting is like putting the heart on top of a knife” – the Chinese word for patience is made of two elements: heart & knife. Xiao Yao is young but feels as if she were approaching the end of her life. Moving forward is her strategy of survival. She admits we cannot control two most important things: life & death.
On the other hand, the drama’s cosmology is marred with analogies to the Freudian vision. Id, ego, superego – respectively: Xiang Liu, Cang Xuan, Tushan Jing – are the drives here. The first one subconscious, unspoken, beastly. The second – self-assured & self-promoting, conscious of the reality, utilitarian. The last one – the wisest, transcending them all, self-sacrificing. Reactions of both orphans are Freudian too: they are haunted by alleged betrayal by mothers who died. Xiao Yao remembers feeling abandoned. For her, heroism is irresponsibility. Cang Xuan feels jealous that his mother chose to live for his father, not for him.
The creators evidently have a solid knowledge of modern psychology. Unfortunately, they seem to be focusing on aberrations rather that processes & mechanisms. We witness results of the unresolved trauma, sado-masochism, cannibalism, schizophrenia, depression, self-mutilation, suicidal tendencies, extreme introversion, Stockholm syndrome, obsessive-compulsive disorder for numbers (15, 37, 300, 400), germs (early A Nian) or flower-eating.
Dissociative identity disorder manifests itself in the lacking or shifting face: Xiao Yao, Xiang Liu, the nine-tailed fox, Xiling Heng (face burnt & replicated as A Nian’s mother), Tushan Hou’s warriors, Zuo Er (ear), Cang Xuan (visit to Haoling during war). Dyed hair, impersonation or changing names are also sources or signs of instability of identity.
Proclivity to incest: in ancient China marriages between cousins were discouraged, esp. when the fathers were brothers. During the Ming dynasty they were even banned (but judging from the hanfus & insistence on Confucian world-view, this drama is a fantasy on the Song times). Regardless of the gender of the parents who are siblings, marriages between cousins are likely to give offspring prone to congenital defects, esp. in families with the history of such close marriages. Cang Xuan’s obsession with his cousin may reflect his inner desire to have everything in this world available to him, under his control. Also Xiang Liu has an unclear relationship with Chi Cheng: he pays respect at that demon’s grave, Li Rong Ji mistakes the one for the other. I was expecting Xiang Liu to turn out to be Xiao Yao’s half-brother.
ARE EVIL & NON-EVIL REALLY SEPARATE?
We might be satisfied with a clean division of characters into evil & non-evil ones. Yet this drama features mostly complex characters with inner fight. Xiang Liu has nine heads but only one heart. He takes without consent, boosts misery, misinterprets fearful obedience as willing participation. If you try to assume that his blood-sucking act is symbolic of a yearning for the physical closeness, I must disappoint you – watch him discard her casually each time after that act is complete. But then that look…
To evaluate the Machiavellian Cang Xuan’s decision to raid neighbouring countries, including his Master’s, we need an answer to the question: does the country need a war? In China’s history, consolidation was seen necessary to bring favourable development. But Cang Xuan’s employment of propagandists & calculated crypto-altruistic help to the civilians to deal with the flood are reminiscent of globalisation & ‘peace missions.’ Cang Xuan sees war as na ‘effort,’ human losses as justifiable. Calculating approach to life is also a post-trauma life strategy.
Tushan Jing says his heart is too small to contain the whole world, only one person. He has an inner strength of forgiving, a discerning eye which knows whom to love & support. He stands for the civilisation-making force that gets cast away by brute force. Many viewers have been tricked into believing that this paragon of meekness has no dark side. Yet his vice is demonstrated explicitly. Even Xiao Yao fails to notice it, though Xiang Liu takes her twice to a place…
At the underground arena where gladiators kill to survive, Xiao Yao is overjoyed when Zuo Er wins. But she does not take a larger perspective: Zuo Er’s victory equals the death of 40+ gladiators. It is the Tushan family who rents the casino & the perfectly likeable Li Rong Chang is the one who runs it. If you have any hope that only Tushan Hou knows about the den, in S2 we see his brother calmly observe the illegal underground business he profits from. The glass is like a TV screen; Jing is as indifferent as a Sunday Netflix watcher.
His shipping agency is also shady. He delivers any shipment to or from Xiang Liu without inquiring what is inside. Let alone his populistic military advice.
The careless ‘woof-woof’ pronounced by Xiao Yao during both visits to the casino is her subconscious denial of the fact that though Tushan Jing is her private harbour of mildness, he is responsible for exploitation & loss of many innocent lives traded for sadistic fun of his clients.
Tushan Jing & Xiao Yao change identities & devote themselves to medicine. However, by leaving Tian as the family chief, they ruin the chance of saving the orphan from inheriting the infamous casino.
So where is the dividing line between characters lovable & those worth contempt? It lies in their readiness for introspection & remorse. Observe that everybody who matters for the plot feels bad about him/herself: guilty, unfulfilled, limited. Both siblings admit having an overall negative personality. Xiang Liu will not contain any notion of not being ‘a villain.’ Tushan Jing expresses himself as an ‘unfaithful scoundrel’ & ‘rogue.’ Conversely, inveterate villains, like the 5th & 7th uncles, the Matroness Tushan, Fangfeng Yi Ying or Tushan Hou, do not feel a need for self-evaluation.
End of Part 1. Please follow Part 2 (published under Season 2).
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I should have read the review first. Haha...
Have bad feeling when WeTV write this as S1, but many praise this drama in MDL. So without much thought I just jumped into the drama. This also cast one of my fav actress, Yang Zi, so i guess I still gonna watch this anyway. Haha...To be honest when i first read the cast, quite raising my eyebrow & surprised. I can't really say I know any of the actor & when you click their info, none of the actor you could say have experienced in many drama. So yeah quite worried about how they gonna played their character here & how good this drama will be....
Yeah as you already guess this drama is open ending. I can't say cliffhanger, cause it's not. But just unfinished story that need to be tell with another season. If they're not divided this into several part we will gonna have long *ss drama to watch & recently that's what china try to avoid it. Haha... But this is one of the open ending drama that not pissed me off with the closing curtain....
As PeachBlossomGoddess already explained beautifully in her review, so I'll not gonna talk much about character in here, you can read her review to know. Probably just what i like & not about this drama
Well i gonna talk about what I like first. Cause it's safer... Haha... Gonna talk about a bit spoiler in the don't like part...
+ I really like Yang Zi here. How she played the boyish Wen Xiao Liu (XL) or the women Xiao Yao (XY). She potray them perfectly... When she become XL we can sense how lonely she actually is. And when she potray XY, we can sense how she really understood her place & part...
+ I really like Zhang Wan Yi as Xiyan Cang Xuan (CX). We get many expressions from him.... Especially when he potray CX feeling for XY.
+ I also really like Tan Jian Ci as Xiang Liu (XL) / Fangfeng Bei. We get many feeling from him. The lonely, the cruel, the love.. Oh how many expressions that we can separated one from each other.
+ The relationship between XY & CX is really beautiful. How they support & protect each other no matter what... Love the chemistry between Zhang Wan Yi & Yang Zi.
+ The mischievous grandpa, King of Xiyan. He really surprised everyone with his choice of new king....
What I don't like, sometimes for me doesn't make sense even. Haha... A lot spoiler. So if you don't want to know or get spoiler just stop read until here.
- The biggest question mark still for me how other people can be so stupid & doesn't realize the relationship between XY & Tushan Jing (TJ). Especially after what TJ did when XY almost dead.... Before that yeah ok, they hide it quite well.... But after the incident they literally have to tell other people about their feeling, I mean like TJ grandma & Chishui Feng Long (FL), they're the people that involve really can't read the situation & need to be told, really...?? It's just something that doesn't make sense. Even with CX try to cover it, secret like that usually reveal itself & people gonna talk about it...
- I don't like TJ. Haha... Maybe just like PeachBlossomGoddess wrote, Deng Wei just the wrong actor to play him. Yeah i also agreed with PeachBlossomGoddess, Deng Wei played the part of Ye Shiqi (SQ) good enough, I can sense how gentle & his love for XY, but when the time he need to switch character into TJ something feel amiss. And finally I can really accept why XY fall for SQ. Just like CX said in the few last ep, he is maybe the reason for XY to be falling really deep for SQ & that's quite make sense to me. All the thing that TJ did for XY really make the heart of XY soft & penetrate deep... Cause like XY said herself, she look for a man that make her the priority & that's exactly what TJ did for her... Haha...
- We can't really ship for XY & CX. Haha.... Actually the one person that really gonna do anything for XY is CZ. But XY never feel the same with CX, she really just think him as brother & nothing more. Really sad when I see the sad eyes in CX eyes when XY tell him that she gonna accept FL proposal...
- I don't really get the political issue & hope the second season talk about it more elaborate than this season. This season feel heavy on romance than political...
- Don't know like it or not, but how logic everyone when talk about marriage are. Like CX & his wife or Chenrong Xin Yue and her feeling for CX or how FL and XY marriage itself.... We can sense how important marriage alliance in historical times, so important that feeling must put aside....
Overall this one interesting drama to watch. Really looking forward for the continuing of this story. Hope we don't wait too long for it to be aired.
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i don't like the first episode
I found it difficult to finish episode 1 of this drama while it was still on going. The plot about childhood confused me and took so long that I was immediately disinterested in the drama, with no intention of finishing it.But then I tried watching again from episode 2 and it turned out to be really good! I was mesmerized by Yangzi's acting which was cool, fitting and very funny when playing the role of a man.
I love the acting of all the actors, visual effects, cgi, and cinematography in this drama. But I did skip a lot of parts because it was too long and bored.
The make up for Yangzi's female character also looks less right on screen, like it doesn't blend in with her skin.
Now I have to patiently wait for season 2 of this drama and wait for Tan Jianci's acting that fascinates me too.
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A Tale of flawed people with twisted fates, superb acting, but I still dropped it!
Where do I begin? Let me start by saying that this show has been in my watch list like, forever! I’ve kept removing it and then adding it back to the list, without actually watching it. Needless to say, every time I re-added it to my watchlist, it was because of Tan Jian Ci, I love this actor a lot, especially his deep voice. Finally I gave in and started watching this series, my interest grew by episode 5, and I was completely hooked by episode 15. Since there were too many good looking men around the FL, I couldn’t wait to see all 39 episodes, and then season 2, to find out who she ends up with, so I searched for spoilers online. Once i knew how the story was to end, I lost all interest, but somehow still kept watching till episode 30. That’s when I put my foot down and dropped the show. I don’t want to discourage anyone from watching..It is a show with amazing actors, with super good acting, great background score. I’ve not liked Yang Zi much, not in the Oath of Love, and just a little in Ashes of Love, but here I loved her acting, especially when she acted as a man. Zhang Wan Yi acted superbly, but I kept getting irritated with his character who kept spoiling an already spoilt princess, all in the name of making up for failing her elder sister. It was probably his excellent acting that made me dislike an actor I obviously liked before. The only reason I watched till episode 30 was Tan Jian Ci, he lit up the scene whenever he appeared and I just couldn’t get enough of him. I wanted to watch him more, but knowing what would happen to him in the show, I couldn’t bear to watch his tragic end. He was obviously most deeply in love with the FL, but had things weighing down on him, and I loved that he didn’t show his affection much since he knew his feelings wouldn’t be reciprocated by the woman who was madly in love with the wrong guy! It was too painful to watch her making the choices she made. Now for the character of Deng Wei…I love the actor, I do, his character in Miss the Dragon and Till the end of the moon was very likeable, but here, I felt like shaking the guy and telling him to man up for once! I mean, how silly was it for the FL to fall for a guy who could just make puppy eyes at her and shower her with smiles, and coy looks, but was never man enough to take the right decisions, and needed others to stop her getting married to someone else, while he was already married to another! Basically, all lead characters were flawed in this series, which is quite human, but who needs to see flawed characters in a fictional series? We have real life for that right? In fictional world, we need to see perfect couples with sweet happily ever after endings, that one can take heart in and feel good about. If you are someone who enjoys bittersweet endings, this show would probably appeal to you most. No complaints about acting, music, or cinematography, I just couldn’t finish the show once I knew my fav actor wouldn’t end up with the woman he loved, and that she would marry the wrong guy and lose him too!Was this review helpful to you?
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Potentially Great Story
I honestly loved the premise of Lost You Forever—the hidden identities, the struggle in Qingshui Town, and the return to royalty. However, the character logic nearly ruined it for me. The story progression hinges frustratingly on the 'lack of communication' trope.The FL drives the plot by making terrible decisions and withholding even the smallest snippets of information. It makes you want to scream, 'Use your words!' But what makes this worse is her dynamic with Xiang Liu. He’s essentially a vampire figure who drinks her blood and, due to his sacrifice saving her later on, feels every emotion she has. He knows what she is feeling—and the acting portrays this subtly and beautifully—but he ignores that truth. Instead of addressing the emotions he physically feels, he replies to her lies. Since the FL is fully aware that he can feel her emotions, this charade of lying and pretending to believe the lie makes absolutely no sense for either character.
The FL only has love for the broken toy boy that doesn't use his words much either.. until he does, and because he's such a weak character, he betrays her. He betrays her in one of those 'gotcha' setups that a drama with a SFL would see through and break down immediately. Unfortunately, neither character is smart enough to see it or have the confidence to speak out.
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This drama hasn´t lost me yet!
Using my personal rating system of "loved," "liked," "meh," & "nah," this is a “liked”.The deets*:
This is a xianxia/xuanhuan with a random mix of immortal and mortal living together without a great deal of explanation as to why. A “young” deity is hiding out in a small village mostly populated by mortals, living as a man despite being a woman. They imply that she actually IS a man, but I’m pretty sure censorship made the writers deliberately keep that part vague. Some other immortals move next door and one of them turns out to be her cousin because our young deity is actually a long-lost princess with a tragic backstory. She recognizes her cousin right away, but he has no idea who she is despite the fact that he’s supposedly a powerful immortal and she isn’t—and despite the fact that the other MLs almost immediately recognize that she is female (despite the fact that she, actually, for real, is not). During this time she rescues an immortal male descended from fox demons and attracts he attention of a blood-sucking nine-headed demon (the aforementioned MLs whose girl radar was NOT broken, unlike Cousin’s). For some reason, our FL is desperate to stay away from the notice of any of her relatives and then decides, “nevermind, I’ll go back to being myself”. Hijinks ensue as she returns to her role as the eldest princess of an entire kingdom while also being the granddaughter of the king of a neighboring kingdom with an ambiguous relationship with her cousin who wants to inherit their grandfather’s throne.
*I know it says not to do this, but how else is someone who doesn’t know if they want to watch this understand the rest of the review?—those descriptions on the main page aren’t always accurate.
Things I liked:
OMG has Yang Zi been wasted before! I have been unable to complete her previous three xianxia dramas because she literally played the same character each time (naïve, vacuous, with a heart of gold)—and I have pretty low standards for xianxias so its saying something if I can’t get through one. But she had some serious acting chops hiding in there this whole time! She’s practically unrecognizable and her portrayal of the different versions of the FL appears effortless. It also doesn´t hurt that all of her MLs are easy on the eyes. Please check out AvenueX´s initial impressions review on YouTube for other positives about this show as I agree 100% with her assessments.
Things I did not like so much:
Who, exactly, is the love interest here!? I mean, at least from the FL’s point of view. Obviously, it starts with Tushan Jing (seriously, who forgives and forgets with after YEARS of torture!? C’mon, there´s kindhearted and then there´s just stupid). Every time demon boy gets a little vulnerable, he does something cruel and stupid to chase her off. Cousin is literally, well, her cousin. I get that in the ancient societies this story is based on, marrying one´s cousin was not considered incest in the way it is today, but it still makes me hesitant to root for him. Finally, there´s Chishui Feng Long, who out of all of her options has the least amount of baggage which, of course, makes him the least exciting choice. lol. The only other thing I struggled with was the huge gaps of time. I get that the leads are immortal, but as a puny mortal myself, I have trouble considering 300 years to be the equivalent of the passing of just 3 years.
Should you watch this?
If xianxia/xuanhuan is your thing, definitely. If you´d like to see Yang Zi break out the box acting-wise, definitely. If you´re not into fantasy, then this won´t make a whole lot of sense or be interesting.
Myself, I´ll definitely be watching Season 2!
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Really great TV Series
Love the story, love the cast! I didn’t expect too much, but this TV show pleasantly surprised me in every way! From the very first episode, I was captivated by the intriguing storyline and the depth of the characters. Each episode leaves me eagerly anticipating the next one, and I find myself emotionally invested in their journeys.The writing is top-notch, delivering clever dialogues and unexpected plot twists that keep me on the edge of my seat. The chemistry among the cast members is palpable, and their performances are nothing short of outstanding. It's refreshing to see such a talented ensemble, and they bring an authentic and genuine feel to the show.
Moreover, the production values are superb, from the stunning cinematography to the well-designed sets that transport you right into the show's world. The attention to detail is commendable, and it adds to the overall immersive experience.
At this point, having watched 12 episodes, I can confidently say that this TV show is an absolute gem. It has everything I look for in a series: compelling storytelling, brilliant acting, and a perfect balance of drama and excitement. I can't wait to see how the story unfolds further, and I'm already recommending this show to all my friends. If you haven't started watching it yet, you're in for a treat!
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This series will surprise you.
I started this late because I didn't think it will be interesting for me. I decided to watch it while watching The Legend of Anle just to fill my time waiting for next episode of TLOA. It didnt grab me at first episode and actually left it alone until i again ran out of selection to watch. Loh and behold, I now favor it more than TLOA. I just completed episode 14 and felt the need to drop a review to those considering this series.I am guilty of not entertaining this series initially because the artists casted here are not ones I am familiar with let alone the concept of 3 men after one lady. They are all equally good ones so far so I cant even decide yet who I favor to win her heart.
It is not just about romance and getting there. The story is told so far in a well balanced manner. I enjoy the fantasy aspect of it too.
Give it a try. You may end up surprising yourself loke I did.
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Excellent series
I started watching Lost You Forever after seeing A Love So Romantic. I'm new to these shows but love them. In Lost You Forever I thought the acting and story line was very good. I'm hooked and will look to see all 39 episodes. I'm at 36 now, waiting to finish w the Eng translation. I feel like the main Princess character is an excellent actress. I've seen comments where some don't think she s pretty enough. I think she is and her personality shines through her work. This love triangle of her, Jing and her brother is interesting. I really like both male roles and feel their acting is really good too. Jing (Deng Wei) is so diverse in this role. So many things pushing his life around. Anyway Im interested to see how Season 1 ends. I hope we don't lose too many of the main characters as they all figure in immensely . I have not read the books and won't til later as I don't want to compare. Anyway I would recommend this one but not sure what typical Asian viewers enjoy, but I think it's great and the costumry, the acting and story line is really good. One more thing a girl taking on a male role in the beginning episodes due to story line, that hooked me, it's hard to do, and I think she really did a good job, but then totally transfurmed back into this beautiful princess role later and to me was just amazing....Thank you.Was this review helpful to you?
