I agree fully with your statements. I found out the that the movie maker (director) is the same person who wrote…
Thank you. I get her, she has a good point too from psychological perspective of the characters, however - you need for these nuances skilled, well trained or good experienced actor and you need to DELIVER that very clearly. Bcs if you don't, then you will leave people hanging, not sure if you meant it this or that way. I love Jiang Heng, but I didn't see fromt he result he is on that level yet. AKA it was not directed properly clear-cut-clean. (Overall Jiang Heng is showed in the series very self-aware of himself and for that reason stiff. However there are points where he definitelly isn't like that, so he can do well later on. But. They are making this overall moe difficult than it has to be.)
Before I start, everybody should know that I don't think the 2nd couple is better I simply prefer their story;…
That is actually true too - Hua Yong is sweet little psycho and his co partner is just.. too sure of himself at places. So if you are not for these specific traits clashing, power games, dominance... covertly budding childhood turning into adult romance, soulmates of sorts thing, you will hear no end about how toxic their relatinship is and never should rather happen in the first place. If you dont feel a little psychotic yourself, you will not enjoy their story yet. But you will start worry about their line. Gao Tu comes from toxic family and is full of worries and insecurities. That hits for many of us = more relatable character. His partner again... is an idiot, but since it is Gao Tu's prince charming, we will... close out eyes i guess. plus last two episodes he really showed he is more than superfical jerk with his comments towards Hua Yong, so we start to see Gao's point of view a little too (plus again the memories of past, but that relates to both couples). ..."audience always wants to know why they're rooting for a character."... i am not too hard on that. I am positive i find a why even if i don't "know" specifically. But i am complicated personality unlivable with, dont mind me.
I agree fully with your statements. I found out the that the movie maker (director) is the same person who wrote…
Ahhhh... how to put this? If that is true, i must agree. From my perspecttive, it takes lifetime to learn one craft as much as one can. And i mean writing. If you try to split... for whatever reason... again lets say, whoever who is more talented and dedicated their lifetime to learn their craft is gonna nail the work much better. Still, it is pretty impresive if it is self-made. With all the positives and negatives it involves. Here comes the imbalance between people reading masters in writing but as well seeing masters in moviemaking and then... seeing everything in the middle. We all became experts but without the hard work behind actual creation. Is it unfair? It is. Both the author and the audiences have their strong points. And SHOWING PACING in audiovisuial is exactly i know would overthink too and for that reason did wrong... even though it might be the easiest for me when writing (or i just know when it will be good because i feel it). But - translating it into different language? Even explaining it with words? No, thank you. THAT is the gap between crafts that is very difficult to... well, learn. And despite being control freak, i would have some serious considerating what and how to do if that chance ever occured. But i am overthinker, i know i would have to let it go to other people's hands. The thing considering here though is - if the orig. authorr wasn't the director too, who would do such a series? In which case - it should be rated differently. Because it is basically... trying something that wouldn't give birth otherwise to make live. And that is - considering cultural side and what the series is about - on and of itself heroic deed.
The problem with adapting a novel to a series is that they’re two different kinds of entertainment and character…
Yes, soul sister, agreed on everything. I was just thinking today about how thin line it must be director-editor too. You might have a vision, but what if you have 2, 5, 8 artists on set and everyone would like to push it through different vibe pipehole. I can't appreciate enought that. I struggle as it is with the cacophony called writing. And that is difficult enough. I can't imagine cooperating with multiple people on my visions (maybe because of the multiple people in my head, yeah, true :D).
Wow, I see fans of the main couple cannot take that people might actually see the second couple as better and can't even stand reading about it. Maybe don't read discussions or choose users who praise only the first or both couples equally, if you are so keen to give advice to people with other perspectives? To dive deeper: I get it might be annoying for some. But... but. People who are watching and were not fans previously of the book, people who come into it seeing and knowing it is very possible to add scenes into a live action drama that were not in the book, people who actually don't like the story of the main leads at all for various reasons and yet are staying for other reasons – we all see it could have been balanced better. I don’t care how many misdeeds happened in the original – look at Revenged Love – the book is written by one and corrected by a few, but movies are made by many and should try even more to improve + translate into audiovisual language.
I absolutely see what the series makers were seeing as important in this episode, I am not disagreeing with their choice. But if you work with two main couples, you should reflect how they complement or oppose, mirror each other, what is the purpose of each, and in the most general sense: the second couple should be used for deaf places of the mains. Because of that, you have two different groups of people watching it for different purposes, and that is good. WORK with it. Even if the book didn’t. Because if you don’t, then you should have a strong plot or strong characters in the main leads so the second leads could be scratched out completely. Which means – NO deaf places at all, and today it as well means very, very strong romance-desire-sexual-relationship attraction that is gonna fill out 100%. See? Revenged Love. If there were only the main couple and support characters, the series/story would still work without the second couple. Do we love the second couple? Yes. Absolutely. Are they as strong as the mains? No, not in the end. But we are glad they are present and they have their purpose. But still – scratch them out and the story of the main leads would be the same strong because of the tools they used in the making.
As I am writing this, one idea why it is not the case of ABO Desire occurs. And that is – if they have chosen a book full of sex scenes, as omegaverse would suggest, based on “ppl buying it so they will buy series too strategy” then there was little plot to begin with probably, which might result in what we have here now. Problem with intertwining second couple in (and yes, that is not saying the book didn't struggle with the same problem to begin with, maybe there is where starts the problem). As we know China and their non existent explicitness right now, what Thailand would use wor bad story without hesitation which could delete some of the deaf places too, China cannot. The problem then is with the CHOICE of what to adapt into live action. If you choose something you cannot or don’t have the guts to adapt, then your work is difficult and you are basically adapting it for the scrap of people who hope to see something in live action that is never even possible to show there in the first place. But they will still come - for the sake of completion. Or vice versa - maybe the book is written so well the main leads are really he focus and fill out, but it is not the case of the live action drama. Then again, if you do (like create) live action you should be aware of the fact that even the second couple is way more visible than it might have been in the book. And you should work with that. And some plotholes? As a movie maker - you should connect the dots, even if author didn't.
To wrap it up. You have the right to be mad about people complaining, and the complaining people have the right to complain. It would be nice if those who are fans just stated so because you are complainig from different point than might others. Without knowing who is fan of who or what we will not come to any consensus, and everyone with eyes and experience can see there are huge rooms for improvements in this series, but many of us would love to support despit that everyone who participated on this project. Understood? So no reason or rhyme to be mad at each other, it is still a form of showing love - even the complaining - for which everyone should be grateful. It means peple care and we wouldn't have this series without people who care.
Honestly,it’s pretty fucked up how Hua Yong punishes sheng by messing up his pheromones & making him go…
yes, if you align it to something existing, the closest is drug use - u don't wanna be drugged by someone you love; one of the reasons i don't think "represeentation" can apply to dramas and fictional world; the rules are sometimes just so different 🤷♀️
Hua Yong is lying that he got used as an escort or whatever they call it (in this hotel where the detective found…
Ooooh, tysm! I was just not sure if Hua Yong as an enigma cannot smell something and the drama did not communicate that well, i would say from Shaoyou actor's acting he wasn't w/ other omegas, but then again even such a thing dramas in the past communicated incorrectly, so i in the end asked. TYSM for the bcg info! 😘🙏
you can clearly see that they get much more screen time than the second couple of most of the other bls , you…
Not in coparison to other series or other 2nd main leads, but in coparison what creators might have squeezed with their story line they indeed get zero to nothing. I don't mind micro movements, but the main leads get too much space (IMO) while their progress ((compared to trailer and what we know) is miniature too, and at places not so intersing, while 2nd could have get more space, and they are gonna have very little (as i see it from what ppl say about book too). What i am always happy about and i am here too (on the bright side) is development between characters out of pairings (esp. if they are not friends since forever). So fe Gao Tu and Hua Yong etc
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And SHOWING PACING in audiovisuial is exactly i know would overthink too and for that reason did wrong... even though it might be the easiest for me when writing (or i just know when it will be good because i feel it). But - translating it into different language? Even explaining it with words? No, thank you. THAT is the gap between crafts that is very difficult to... well, learn. And despite being control freak, i would have some serious considerating what and how to do if that chance ever occured. But i am overthinker, i know i would have to let it go to other people's hands. The thing considering here though is - if the orig. authorr wasn't the director too, who would do such a series? In which case - it should be rated differently. Because it is basically... trying something that wouldn't give birth otherwise to make live. And that is - considering cultural side and what the series is about - on and of itself heroic deed.
To dive deeper: I get it might be annoying for some. But... but.
People who are watching and were not fans previously of the book, people who come into it seeing and knowing it is very possible to add scenes into a live action drama that were not in the book, people who actually don't like the story of the main leads at all for various reasons and yet are staying for other reasons – we all see it could have been balanced better. I don’t care how many misdeeds happened in the original – look at Revenged Love – the book is written by one and corrected by a few, but movies are made by many and should try even more to improve + translate into audiovisual language.
I absolutely see what the series makers were seeing as important in this episode, I am not disagreeing with their choice. But if you work with two main couples, you should reflect how they complement or oppose, mirror each other, what is the purpose of each, and in the most general sense: the second couple should be used for deaf places of the mains. Because of that, you have two different groups of people watching it for different purposes, and that is good. WORK with it. Even if the book didn’t. Because if you don’t, then you should have a strong plot or strong characters in the main leads so the second leads could be scratched out completely. Which means – NO deaf places at all, and today it as well means very, very strong romance-desire-sexual-relationship attraction that is gonna fill out 100%. See? Revenged Love. If there were only the main couple and support characters, the series/story would still work without the second couple. Do we love the second couple? Yes. Absolutely. Are they as strong as the mains? No, not in the end. But we are glad they are present and they have their purpose. But still – scratch them out and the story of the main leads would be the same strong because of the tools they used in the making.
As I am writing this, one idea why it is not the case of ABO Desire occurs. And that is – if they have chosen a book full of sex scenes, as omegaverse would suggest, based on “ppl buying it so they will buy series too strategy” then there was little plot to begin with probably, which might result in what we have here now. Problem with intertwining second couple in (and yes, that is not saying the book didn't struggle with the same problem to begin with, maybe there is where starts the problem). As we know China and their non existent explicitness right now, what Thailand would use wor bad story without hesitation which could delete some of the deaf places too, China cannot. The problem then is with the CHOICE of what to adapt into live action. If you choose something you cannot or don’t have the guts to adapt, then your work is difficult and you are basically adapting it for the scrap of people who hope to see something in live action that is never even possible to show there in the first place. But they will still come - for the sake of completion.
Or vice versa - maybe the book is written so well the main leads are really he focus and fill out, but it is not the case of the live action drama. Then again, if you do (like create) live action you should be aware of the fact that even the second couple is way more visible than it might have been in the book. And you should work with that.
And some plotholes? As a movie maker - you should connect the dots, even if author didn't.
To wrap it up. You have the right to be mad about people complaining, and the complaining people have the right to complain.
It would be nice if those who are fans just stated so because you are complainig from different point than might others. Without knowing who is fan of who or what we will not come to any consensus, and everyone with eyes and experience can see there are huge rooms for improvements in this series, but many of us would love to support despit that everyone who participated on this project. Understood? So no reason or rhyme to be mad at each other, it is still a form of showing love - even the complaining - for which everyone should be grateful. It means peple care and we wouldn't have this series without people who care.