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I've been thinking a lot about Trin and Tanwa's fight. I've heard some people are blaming one or the other of them but honestly I think both of them were valid in what they did. Tanwa didn't tell Trin initially because he knew that Trin had trauma around protests and he wanted to protect him from that. He did try to warn Victor but Victor didn't trust him enough/ he was already determined to do his speech. The only logical option in Tanwa's head was to shield Trin from knowing what might happen. It's also important to take into account Tanwa's abandonment issues stemming from his mother dying. His mother was so miserable that she ended her own life so maybe Tanwa thought that if he could shield Trin from the grim reality he can keep him form "leaving" too.

Even though Trin punched Tanwa in the face I don't blame him for it. This may be a controversial statement but I wouldn't go so far as to label Trin as an abuser even though he did lay hands on Tanwa. The fact that he would lash out violently against the man he loves no less shows that he was so affected by Victor's death that he would go against everything he stands for. In his head the person he loved kept a secret from him and him not being able to get there in time is why Victor is dead. His lashing out is understandable. His anger is very much misplaced but there's no one else he can retaliate against. Tanwa is the only one Trin can think of to blame and even Tanwa blames himself a bit. He takes Trin's blows because he feels he deserved it. At least when Trin left Tanwa's shop he was able to be comforted by his friend Thanakhom while Tanwa cried alone. When Khom pointing out that Trin's shoes were dirty really got me not gonna lie. Also, I appreciate that Shine highlights the importance of healthy non romantic relationships like Trin and Khom, Victor and the other students, and Tanwa and Sucha. Khom comforted Trin in the same way that Tanwa did in episode 6 showing that friends are just as important as romantic relationships.

All in all, there are no heroes or villains in this story. These are all flawed people reacting in realistic ways to a traumatic situation. The question now is whether Trin and Tanwa can come together after this. It is very possible that they don't. While it may be more realistic for Tanwa to refuse to forgive Trin I also feel that him forgiving Trin would also make sense. Despite everything Tanwa still loves Trin and he may be willing to look past what Trin did since he also feels some guilt about the situation. Selfishly I do still want them to end up together in Paris or Bangkok. All I'm asking for is ONE happy ending. I NEED the win.

I'm glad that Naran finally came clean to Dao. It's about time. He definitely deserved that shoe to the face. What gets me thought is that she seemed willing to accept that Ran was cheating on her but when she found out it was a man that's when she got mad. Hmmm... Either way, I'm glad she got her lick back. She deserves a man that is fully invested in her as much as she is to him.

I knew Victor was gonna die from the start but that doesn't make it any less heartbreaking. As soon as they said that he would be leaving for the US in a few days I knew he had to die this episode. I knew that realistically a political agitator like Victor wouldn't be allowed to escape retribution by an oppressive government. And yes, I 100% think Pracha and his goons had something to do with it. Victor's friends, especially Tiva, trying to fight Lert's men to get to his body showed that even though they had fought they still loved each other. Like during the protest in ep 6 after Victor and Tiva fought he was willing to run back into the fray to save Victor. Trin's devastation at Victor's death shows how despite Victor's pursuit of Trin he still felt the need to protect him as his "phi". When he failed to do so it brought him back to when he was unable to protect Claire. Even when he tries he is still powerless. The scene where Naran told Victor's parents that he died had me choked up. The way his mom was holding his shirt to her face and then frantically started ironing it because it had gotten it wrinkly really got me. I can't imagine the pain of loosing your only child.

Speaking of death, Veera's came as quite a shock to me. I was expecting him to betray Lert because he figured out that he was cheating on Dhevi. When Veera went to Pracha's office I automatically started yelling "Judas!" but I was surprised when Veera got on his knees and begged for mercy for Lert and Dehvi. Even after he got concrete proof that Lert was cheating on Dhevi with the journalist he hates he was willing to sacrifice himself for them. Now I feel bad for expecting him to betray Lert. I'm especially sad for Dhevi because she was just opening up to Veera and potentially gaining the courage to leave Lert's frigid cheating ass (I still want Lert and Ran to end up together. Two things can be true at once.).

I totally agree that there are plenty of happy and healthy relationships between people with large age gaps but my issue isn't with the age gap per se. I have an issue with Victor specifically being so young chasing after someone of Trin's age. This episode shows how much of a child he still is and that he can be fleighty and put his morals on the back burner for someoe who makes him feel special. Like many thing in fiction I think Victor's crush on Trin is cute BECAUSE it's fiction but if he was someone I new in reality I would try to redirect his attention away from Trin. I do appreciate that Shine isn't showing Trin is interested. I know it's mostly because of Tanwa but it's just more realistic to me. There's nothing wrong with Victor having a crush on an older person he admires but I personally think it should stay a one sided crush.

I'm 28 myself and I personally find it unsavory for people of my age and older to chase after those who are "barely legal". I'm not opposed to large age gaps in general. If Victor was 28 and trin was 38 the age difference wouldn't even be part of the equation. I don't agree with moralizing of age gaps that has arisen resently. Like most conversations online it lacks nuance and is plagued with black and white thinking. A 50 year old isn't a pedo if they date a 30 year old. Also my
critiques go beyond just the numbers. Someone just out of high-school and someone pushing 30 with a doctorate and working at a high level at an important government organization are just at such different point in their lives. Furthermore people of Victor's age are bound to change a lot in 5 to 10 years as they learn about themselves and the world and often times that older partner will choose to drop them when they are no longer young, cute, and naive.

I love Victor but I don't like that they turned him into a lovesick puppy chasing after Trin this episode. I liked the scene where he talked to Trin in the beginning of the episode about Tanwa not being good enough for him. It was able to show that Victor wanted to be the one by Trin's side instead of Tanwa without sacrificing his strong willed and defiant personality he's showed thus far. However, the way he was fawning over Trin the rest of the episode felt like i was watching a completely different person. There was no trace of the revolutionary but only a teenager who had a crush on a guest lecturer. I know a lot of people are saying that they're showing that at the end of the day he is still just a kid and he has become infatuated with a person who challenges him intellectually and treats him like an equal worth listening to. However, I feel like they could have shown that without doing a total 180 on Victor's character. That being said, I do think Victor's crush on Trin is very cute. Seeing him all smiley and giddy is refreshing after seeing him so serious in the previous episodes. However, I don't think Victor and Tanwa are on the same level when it comes to fighting for Trin's love. It is so clear that Trin is head over heals for Tanwa and Tanwa is for Trin even though he won't admit it to himself or Trin. Trin only sees Victor as his intelligent and determined protégé and nothing more. Also, even though I don't remember them saying exactly how old Trin, Tanwa, and Victor are, I don't like the implied age difference. I know the laws are different in Thailand but I just personally could not enjoy watching a relationship between a teenager (18/19?) and a 28(?) year old. That's one of the reasons I couldn't get into the KimChay romancce in KinnPorche. For those of you wondering, no I am not an obsessed MileApo stan. I would happily watch both actors play in a relationship with other people (Mile and Punpun's characters in Jetlag 👀). I just genuinely don't think the Victor and Trin route would work. Also, we have THREE episodes left. We don't have time for love triangel nosence.

Tanwa's fight with his dad, Phadoem, is probably my favorite scene from this episode and I feel like it's not getting the love it deserves. You can tell that Tanwa is so uncomfortable with just being in the same room as his dad. To me this shows that Tanwa has been abused by him for a long time and his lashing out and being defiant is a trauma response. Phadoem is so obsessed with being in control, not just with work but also his only(?) child, to the point that he is willing to slap him across the face multiple times in a room full of dignitaries and business people to get him to fall in line. And after every slap Tanwa comes back with a shit eating grin to show his dad that he won't break that easily. But he is already broken. The smiles and the bravado is just a mask and you can see the mask slip when Tanwa's voice cracks and his eyes get teary when he's yelling at Phadoem. Round of applause to Mile for being able to portray so many layers of emotion at the same time.

Trin has clearly fallen head over heals for Tanwa and vice versa but Tanwa's emotionally constipated and afraid for Trin and what his father could do to him so he keeps Trin at arm's length, but that leads to Trin thinking that Tanwa doesn't take their relationship seriously. In actuality he's putting on a facade of nonchalance to shield himself from the pain he thinks is inevitable when (not if) he looses Trin. Tanwa is a man of many faces but he doesn't do it to deceive but to protect himself and the people he loves. I also love how straightforward and direct Trin is about what he wants from the relationship. Too often you see MCs that are too timid to say what they want but Trin knows that he wants to be with Tanwa and he is going for it.

Welcome back to the Naran and Krailert show. I say that with love and respect because those two have me in a choke hold. It's so interesting to me that even though Krai is the buttoned up military man who is married to a woman he doesn't love he is the one making moves on Naran. He very much enjoys seeing the effect he has on Naran based on the bathroom scene. He is also so open with his feelings toward Naran while Naran is still avoiding admitting that he has deeper feelings for Krai. Maybe it's because Naran doesn't want to admit he's queer but I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to admit to himself that he is QUITE LITTERALLY sleeping with the enemy. I'm glad that they finally confronted the fact that they were on opposites sides of a situation that could very easily end with one or both of them dead. I've seen some people call their story "doomed yaoi" and I would have to agree. As much as I love both characters and their story I don't see how this could end with both of them alive and happy while maintaining the realism the story has thus far.

Also they're verse which was very nice to see. I like that BOC is pushing the boundaries and defying expectation. They could have just had Naran stay the bottom and Krai the top and no one would have batted an eye, but they chose to switch it up. Honestly, other than the small height difference I feel like both actors could easily play both roles and the fact that Euro is shorter added some extra flavor. It's just so crazy to me that BOC was able to take two actors who had never acted in a same sex relationship before (as far as I know) and had them both agree to act as a very sexually active verse gay couple.

It seems like the actor was killed by the officials because they had that rind Krailert had given to him.

It shows the juxtaposition between Victor, a young revolutionary from a poor family, and Trin, a high class scholar and economist. Despite Victor being on his way to protest capitalism he has to debase himself to shine Trin's shoes for a little extra money because despite his hatred of the system he can not ignore the fact that his family needs the money. It also shows how Trin benefits from the unequal system where he can just throw around money and get what he wants.

Speaking of MileApo I've seen some people saying that their chemistry is not there anymore. To those people I would just like to say "What are you talking about?". I know a lot of shippers were upset when they heard that Mile and Apo had a fight last year and that kind of broke the illusion for them. However, just because you as a fan have to confront the fact that your two favorite leads aren't literally in love with each other off camera doesn't make them any less of great actors. We all know that Apo is a great actor but personally I'm more impressed with Mile. He had little to no acting experience before KinnPorche but in every project I've seen him in he has been able to effortlessly transform into a different person and it never feels like he's acting or trying too hard. No matter what happens off screen a good actor will always be able to make you believe what they are saying.
Speaking of good acting the way they were able to portray so much subtle emotion in the kiss scene was so impressive. It starts off so easy and sweet but as soon as Tanwa notices that Trin stopped smiling and looks kind of confused/uncomfortable he looks a little disappointed but he backs off and tries to lighten the mood by giving Trin the origami moon. Not a single word was said but they communicated the emotions so beautifully. I'm very much looking forward to the next episode and watching the two of them fall in love surrounded by such turmoil. I just wish it was more than 8 episodes.

Shine is high quality even for BOC which is a studio know for making quality shows. The costuming, lighting, set design, casting, acting, and writing are all top notch. You can tell that everyone who worked on this show was really passionate about the art. They are actually trying to make something impactful and thought provoking instead of just licensing an existing popular story and coasting off the back of a popular ship. That's not to say that some people aren't watching to finally see Mile and Apo act together again. They are also great actors too so it's not like they are popular for no reason.

Now on to the rest of the story. I've seen a lot of people saying that the first episode was confusing or boring but I think it's just that they are doing a lot of setup and there are so many characters and plot points that it can get overwhelming. Here are the main points I picked up.
- Trin just returned from getting his doctorate in Paris where he fell in love with a Persian woman and witnessed the student protests of May 1968. He was offered a job as the assistant governor of the Bank of Thailand which would have basically guaranteed him a to be the next governor of the BOK. He turned that offer down to work at the economic development council. He wants Thailand to change for the better but within the system and without rocking the boat too much.
-Tanwa is a hedonistic hippie rock star with a rich and powerful father that he doesn't get along with. He is running from something but we don't know what.
-Krailert is a colonel in the military and he facilitated a contract with Mile's dad on developing a dam. He neglects his wife and can't even remember their wedding anniversary or her favorite flower. His assistant remembered and is probably in love with the wife (Dhevi). He writes responses to music critiques by Naran under a pseudonym.
-Naran is a journalist who is wanting to expose the corruption within the government.
-The students are protesting the building of the dam and the taking of ancestral land for "economic development" (profit).
-Victor is the leader of the student protesters. His dad is Russian and a writer but he has fallen into alcoholism. I really like Vistor's character but I'm also scared for him because he is an agitator and the people in power will want him silenced. I doubt he will make it to the end alive.

His life sucks but at least he's hot lol

His life sucks but at least he's hot lol

I hope it's not a dream scenario because it would make everything else that happened meaningless.

I have the exact same questions as you. Mani (the lady Great hit with his car) can't be the one who originally caused Great to get shot.
I don't think were in the original timeline even after Great gets shot because Dr Den recognizes Great and calls Tyme but that wouldn't happen if we were in the original timeline since Tyme and Great wouldn't have met.
It seems to me the the original timeline and the changed one are bleeding together and it's distorting reality.

I have always and will always see the good in Korn and finally some people are starting to see the light. In previous episode we've seen that he's not as ruthless as his father or Fasai's dad. He tells Samarn not to hurt Nan and even when he finds out Great betrayed him he isn't mad at him. His step mom hates him and his father is an asshole. This episode really illuminates how tragic of a character he is.

He is clearly in the closet and that's why he hasn't come out about dating Tonkla even though they've been together for years. Yes I do believe that he genuinely loves Tonkla. The only times we see him truly happy is when he's with Kla or Great. The two people he cares about the most in the world. Yes, he blew off Kla for weeks to take care of the family business but the only reason the business is his priority is because that is his way out. Once he has the power and status of being the head of the company he will be unteachable and they won't have to hide anymore. Yes he did almost force himself onto Tonkla but he didn't seem to realize that Kla was being serious and when Kla told Korn his brother was dead he stopped immediately. He has a conscience, he just didn't realize the gravity of the situation at first.

Yes, he is in a relationship(?) with Fasai but it is only a means to an end. She is basically his gay beard while at the same time they have a transactional relationship. Korn doesn't like Fasai and she knows he's gay but she also has what Korn needs. Her father can fix things for Korn but he has to do what Fasai tells him. When she tells Korn that he doesn't have a choice but to marry her you can see how devastated he is. He is basically being forced to choose between Kla and Great. Bas's face acting was so great in that scene. He is miserable and on the brink of tears but he pushes all of his emotions down, swallows his tears, and does what needs to be done. That's what he's always done. He doesn't have the luxury of breaking down or lashing out.

He also wants to protect Great from the dark reality of the family business. He basically says it outright when he's talking to Great in the parking lot in episode 5. He tells Great that he doesn't have to participate in the family business and Korn will take care of everything. Korn is telling Great that Korn is willing to be the one to get he hand dirty and to roll in the mud so that Great doesn't have to. That's truly what Korn's character is all about. He is constantly making sacrifices for others. He is willing to make the hard decisions and be the bad guy for the people he loves. He is not a bad person. He is just doing the wrong things for the right reasons.

Everyone acts like Korn is the devil when he's realy just stick between a rock and a hard place. He WANTS to do the right thing but he's being pushed in the wrong direction.

Aaaaaah I see

I hope so because i'm losing my mind

If only we were that lucky 😞