I read you whole thread. And I am so glad that you took your time to type all these. Honestly my train of thoughts…
Oh my god, thank you so much for saying that and for taking the time to read my thread. š„ŗ I really appreciate it a lot. ā¤ļø And yeah, I felt like the way that I had interpreted what's going on in the drama and the types of theories/perceptions that I have are different from a lot of the comments that I've been seeing on here as well, which is why I wanted to give my input, just to add some different POV to the conversation.
Man you wrote more than me when ranting lmao, I have to say I praise you LOL
Yes! I agree! I love this drama so much as well. <3 It's very unique and refreshing and relatable and complex and well-written, etc. It's really a breath of fresh air, like you said. :)
And same--I wasn't really expecting much from this drama when I first heard about it and read the plot synopsis for it. I thought it just might be a nice, fluffy, lighthearted drama that I can watch to pass time. But oh my god! It's soooooooo good!!! If this drama continues to be as good as it has been so far all the way until the end, then this may become my new all-time favorite Kdrama ever!
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
While I'm not dismissing the possibility, since we don't know yet, I personally don't think that the woman and child in the picture DS was looking at is his former wife and child. š I think it was DS and his mother. The wife and child theory doesn't add up to me/doesn't align with other things that we know to be true in the drama so far, so I just find it unlikely that he had a wife and child. At the beginning of the series, when I saw him staring at that suit, I thought it could be one of 3 different possibilities: 1) him having almost gotten married, but it didn't work out for some reason (i.e., someone got cold feet or he got left at the altar or something); 2) a suit he wore at a funeral (not sure whose funeral though); or 3) the suit he wore when he worked and lived in Seoul and it's symbolic of something for him.
The theory of him having a wife and child who died/left him just seems way too makjang-y to me though, and I feel like the old lady (his "grandma") wouldn't tease him about not being able to find a woman (since she knows the truth about him) if he had actually gotten married and had a kid and then they died/left him. There's no way she would joke about something like that if that had happened. And I feel like his aura/reaction/expressions would be much darker/sadder when people tell him he should date if he had gotten married and had a kid and then they died/left him. But he doesn't seem sad or bothered to me when people tell him he should date, so I really don't think that's it. Also, this drama is supposed to be a comedy/slice-of-life drama, so the idea of DS having a dead wife and child just seems way too heavy for this drama and doesn't match the genre/vibe of the drama, IMO. I think it's an interesting theory though, and, again, since we don't know, I can't fully dismiss the possibility of it being true. I just feel like it's unlikely.
And yeah, I agree, the sub-plot with Juri and her dad I feel was supposed to be the parallel between HJ and her dad, and we see that the two of them start to reconnect/rekindle their relationship at the end of ep. 6 after Juri and her dad make up with one another and start to understand each other better.
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
Yes! I definitely agree with you about DS also having a learning curve and having a tendency to get ahead of himself/jumping to conclusions about a situation or person/trying to get involved and fix things without thinking about the other party/thinking he knows best or what the other person needs/wants when that isn't always the case/etc. Both of them have flaws and things that they need to improve upon, but I feel like that just makes their characters more realistic/human and endearing/relatable.
Yeah, I agree--HJ clearly interprets DS's reactions/actions/responses as being a rejection, which is why she felt hurt and also why she started to go on the offense and start being harsh/cold to DS. Because she felt like he was rejecting her, she tried to reject him first and position herself as being "above" him (i.e., by bringing up their "social positions" and saying that she "doesn't befriend just anyone," despite her not any having friends aside from Mi Seon) because he made her feel really small, I think, and hurt both her feelings and her pride, even though that wasn't his intention.
At the same time, though, IDT anything DS did or said would've made her feel better in that situation. š Because neither of them seems to be fully aware of their feelings for the other yet, and neither of them knows how the other feels about them either, and both of them feel like the other doesn't like them or has been continuously rejecting them. So, like, I feel like DS was stuck between a rock and a hard place, because he's not aware enough yet of his feelings--nor does he know if he wants to pursue a romantic relationship with anyone yet, it seems like--so, like, there was no way that he was gonna be like, "Yeah, you kissed me, and I enjoyed it. Let's date." Lol. Because he's not quite there/ready yet. And even though HJ's clearly in love with him and gets jealous and feels rejected by him, she's still in denial about how she feels and hasn't had an epiphany yet, so who knows how she would've reacted even if he did acknowledge what happened between them and was open/honest about his feelings for her. There really was no way for him to win in that situation, I feel like, because she would've had an issue with how he handled the situation regardless. Lol. I can understand how she feels though at the same time. Being in love makes you really vulnerable, and so it's easy to get hurt and to feel rejected by the other person, even if they're not actually trying to hurt or reject you.
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
Thank you so much for saying that. š„ŗ And for taking the time to read my rants as well. I really appreciate it. ā¤ļø This is my first time sharing my theories/thoughts about a drama on here, and I thought that people might just ignore what I wrote because it's really long, but I'm really glad that some people actually read what I wrote and appreciate my input. š„ŗ Everyone who's been commenting on this drama has been so nice and respectful and supportive towards other commenters--I really appreciate it a lot.
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
Yeah, I saw that the movie didn't have good reviews, so that was another reason why I chose not to watch it, because I just want to focus on the drama and not have anything affect my perception of the drama/storyline/characters. And I see, so you felt knowing the plot of the movie helped to give you some peace of mind with regards to the drama then?
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
I wonder how close the drama will be to the original story though too. I thought I saw some people say that the drama wasn't that similar to the movie, so I'm wondering if certain plot points will be different in the drama, especially since the drama is much longer than the movie. I'm assuming that some details or plot points will be different in drama compared to the movie, don't you think? Or does it seem like the drama is following the movie really closely?
Man you wrote more than me when ranting lmao, I have to say I praise you LOL
Lol! Okay, thank you. That makes me feel better. :) I tend to rant/write a lot too, in general, but this is the first time that I felt the urge to type up a bunch of long theories about a drama and share them on a forum like this. Normally I just keep my thoughts to myself or share my thoughts with someone I know if I know anyone who is watching the same drama as me at the same time. But I love this drama so much and am so invested in it and feel like the characters are really complex and that there are a lot of misunderstandings/mysteries, so I wanted to try sharing my POV/thoughts too since I saw lots of people doing the same. But then it ended up being way longer than I thought it would be. š
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
I read most of your comment, but you spoiled some of the things that happen in the movie, which I don't want to know because I want to be completely surprised. :( I didn't watch the movie on purpose and have been avoiding reading spoilers about it because I want to be surprised. So, I didn't read your comment all the way through because you spoiled some things that I didn't want to know that happened in the movie. If you edit your comment, I will read it all the way through, but please, no spoilers... :'( These are just my theories/speculations based only on what has been presented in the drama so far...
Man you wrote more than me when ranting lmao, I have to say I praise you LOL
Lol! Thank you, and sorry. š Lol. I know I wrote A LOT, but I was reading everyone's comments and had a lot to say, and I didn't want to individually comment on everyone else's comments and just repeat myself a bunch of times, so I just decided to type everything up and post it as one long thread, because then I can just address everything and get all of my thoughts out there at once. IDK if anyone will actually read everything that I wrote, but I wanted to at least put my thoughts out there since everyone else seems to be ranting and theorizing right now. Lol.
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
| Other miscellaneous theories |
I saw some people say that they think that DS is into photography because heās dying and/or is going blind/has a disease/etc. However, I think the terminal illness theory was already proven to be false when we discovered that he was going to Seoul to see a psychiatrist and not some other type of doctor. If he was really dying, he wouldnāt be spending his time talking to a psychiatrist about past traumas that are haunting him, he would most likely be worrying about the future and whatās to come. Thereās nothing in the drama that suggests that heās losing his eyesight or anything like that as well. I think that the reason he likes taking pictures of Gongjin and the people of Gongjin is because he probably doesnāt have many photos of his parents, his grandfather, or himself as a child. Heās probably sad that he doesnāt have many things to remember them or his childhood by, and heās constantly haunted by past traumas and thoughts of how he grew up with no parents and alone. So, I interpret his interest in photography as him trying to preserve the memories of the people and places he loves while theyāre still around, since heās already lost so many people in his life. Especially since most of the subjects of his photos are old people, remember? People who he loves and gets along with really well who will soon no longer be around. He wants to have things that he can remember them by, and remember them when they were alive and well and happy. Remember, he doesnāt have any family members, and the people of Gongjin are the closest that he has to a family. I think he only takes pictures of the people and places that he loves, which is why he told HJ before that he wouldnāt take pictures of her because he has āhigh standardsā when it comes to the models/subjects of his pictures. But then he secretly does take pictures of her when she isnāt looking and he also took pictures of her when she was drunk as well, showing that he does love/care about her (whether heās aware of it or not) and wants to remember her.
Iām not sure why DS lives the way he does, but IDT itās because heās dying or anything like that. For some reason I keep thinking that he lives the way he does because of his grandfather, though Iām not sure why I think that. I feel like it might be because his grandfather was a simple and kind personāhe worked hard, but I think was probably poor and uneducated as well. Itās possible that DS feels like he didnāt appreciate or cherish his grandpa as much as he shouldāve when he was still alive, maybe they butted heads a lot when DS was in middle school because DS was gifted and got straight Aās and couldnāt understand his grandpa or maybe didnāt see value in the way that his grandpa lived. (It makes me think of what DS says to Juri about how she should be nicer to her father, otherwise sheāll regret it later on.) And then maybe his grandpa died in an accident and DS saw him when he was about to die or shortly after he died, and maybe itās his grandpa who haunts him in his dreams. Maybe DS carried on living his life the way he wanted to for a while after his grandpaās death, went to SNU and maybe had a job in Seoul for a while, and then maybe sometime after he graduated college he started to have those traumatic nightmares? Maybe he feels guilty about how he treated his grandpa and he started to value what his grandpa valued and is kind of āpaying it forwardā to the people of Gongjin (many of whom are poor and uneducated and lack resources) in the memory of his grandpa, and thatās his form of āatonementā or something? Obviously, it remains a mystery for now, but thatās what Iāve been thinking/wondering.
I also think that DS started to have those traumatic nightmares when he was living in Seoul because the psychiatrist heās been seeing is in Seoul and not in a city thatās closer to Gongjin. He couldāve tried to find a psychiatrist in a city thatās closer to Gongjin, but the fact that heās been seeing one in Seoul about the dreams heās been having means that he started to have those dreams while he was living in Seoul and has just continued to go to the same psychiatrist about his dreams/trauma over the years.
Also, the mystery of what DS did during the 5 years after he graduated college, before returning to Gongjināitās possible that not much happened during that time too. We know that none of the theories that the townspeople suggested are true (because the writers wouldnāt actually have the townspeople guess the real truth), so I donāt think he killed anyone or was in jail at all during that time. If he had accidentally killed someone, even if it was an accident, he wouldāve served some time in jail. However, because that was one of the things that one of the people guessed might have happened and then the old woman/his āgrandmaā (who knows the truth) got mad and said that she wanted to seal that one guyās lips when he guessed that and said it wasnāt true, that makes me think that DS didnāt actually accidentally kill someone. Itās possible that he just worked a boring job in Seoul the whole time and hated it and had an epiphany while he was working there that he wanted to live a different kind of life and then returned to Gongjin. I feel like oftentimes when shows/movies have all of these grand theories about what happened to a person during a certain period of time that the truth is oftentimes that nothing much happened and everyoneās just letting their imaginations run wild. The people of Gongjin just like to gossip and blow things up into being a bigger deal than they actually are because theyāre bored and donāt have anything better to do. Thatās my theory anywaysāthat nothing special actually happened during that 5-year period except for DS maybe starting to have those traumatic nightmares and reassessing his life.
I also see some people worrying that the SML is gonna end up with the FL in the end. I REALLY doubt that. HJ and DS are definitely gonna end up together, I feel like. I know that KSH has played other characters in the past who didnāt end up with anyone/with the FL, but Iām like positive that DS and HJ are going to end up together in this drama. I will be SHOCKED if they donāt end up together. Since this is a rom-com though, Iām almost certain that they will end up together in the end. Especially since we know that they met a couple of times when they were younger now, which, in Kdrama-land, means that theyāre āfated lovers.ā It just might take them a while to realize and accept their feelings and to make their feelings known to each other, but Iām fine with that since I love slow-burn romance stories. <3
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else…
| DSās trauma |
I feel like I interpreted the scene where DS was looking at the picture of the mother and the child so differently from a lot of people, because I just assumed it was his mother and him as a baby in the picture just given the context and what we know. I didnāt even consider the possibility of him maybe having a wife and child who died. Now, Iām not dismissing that theory since it is plausible, especially since no one knows what he did for 5 years after he finished college. However, I just donāt get the vibe from this drama that something like that would happen in this drama. This is supposed to be a fluffy, feel-good/heartwarming, healing rom-com, and the ML having a dead wife and child, ON TOP of already being an orphan who lost his parents and his grandpa at a young age and having no one he can lean on in his life⦠IDK. Like, how tragic can one characterās life get in one drama, especially considering that this is not a makjang/melodrama either, right? (Iām pretty sure itās not, right?) If this was a melodrama-type of drama, then maybe I would believe it, but, since IDT it is, and this drama is supposed to be a comedy and a slice-of-life type of drama, I feel like the mother and child in the picture are most likely him and his mother, and not a dead wife and child. Something like that just seems way too heavy for a drama like this, IMOā¦
Iām not sure why the fatherās face wasnāt shown, and I also found that strange when I was watching that scene. However, thereās probably a reason for itālike, the fatherās picture or a flashback scene of his father may happen later on in the drama, and they donāt want the viewers to know right away who his father was, so maybe thatās why they didnāt show his face. Maybe the trauma that DS has has something to do with his father? Maybe his father killed his mother (and then killed himself), and DS witnessed what happened and thatās why heās traumatized? When I watched the scene of DSās dream where the bloody hand grabs his shoulder, for some reason I immediately wondered if the bloody hand was supposed to belong to his father or grandfather. Iāve been thinking that they either died due to accidents or maybe they were murdered or something, and maybe DS saw a dead body/dead bodies and thatās why he dreams of a bloody hand grabbing him. DS definitely has PTSD, as heās seeing a psychiatrist and has vivid recurring nightmares that are connected to his trauma. I feel like he was most likely the victim of some kind of trauma-inducing situation rather than the perpetrator of some accidental murder or whatever. (Though, again, since we donāt know, Iām not dismissing the possibility of him having accidentally killed someone, I just feel like itās unlikely.)
Iāve been reading everyoneās comments and would like to share my POV since I feel like I have slightly different…
| DS āfriendzoningā HJ |
I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else did. I thought it was really sweet and mature of DS to make it clear that he wanted to have some kind of a friendship/positive relationship with HJ, especially given the context/fact that they fight/butt heads and misunderstand each other often. I feel like itās so rare for someoneāespecially guysāto initiate wanting to just be friends with someone that theyāre attracted to/have romantic feelings for. I really hate the term āfriendzoning,ā because thereās nothing wrong with being friends. I interpreted DS suggesting that they be friends as him trying to extend an olive branch to HJ and essentially being like, āHey, Iām not really sure what kind of relationship I want to have with you ATM, but I genuinely like you and want to get to know you better and have some kind of a positive relationship with you whether we end up dating or not.ā That shows a lot of emotional maturity from his side, IMO.
He demonstrated that he cares about her as a person regardless of what the nature of their relationship is and showed interest in wanting to get closer to her and get to know her better and so on. And then, after theyāve been friends for a while and he gets closer to her/gets to know her better, he can decide if he wants to open up to her and pursue her romantically or not. Thatās not selfish, itās practical. Neither of them are the types to go all-in into a relationship until theyāre absolutely sure about both their own feelings and the other person, and the only way for them to be sure about that is to get closer and to get to know each other better (hence being friends first). And itās nice to see that he wants to have a relationship with her even if they arenāt dating/romantically-involved with each other, because I feel like male-female relationships oftentimes get reduced to either being dating or not-dating, and genuine, real friendships between members of the opposite sex rarely get explored or shown in media, I feel like.
Note: Also, neither of them is fully aware of or has accepted their feelings for each other yet, so being friends was the only positive relationship that he could suggest that they have since both of them act like they hate each other more often than they act like they like each other, and neither of them is fully conscious of how they feel nor how the other feels about them.
The reason DSās friendship suggestion didnāt work/back-fired though is because HJ doesnāt know how to be friends with people or how to get close to people or how to have positive relationships of any kind with other people. Remember, she only has ONE friend (Mi Seon), and that ONE friend is literally the ONLY person she opens up to and has any kind of positive relationship with. She doesnāt have any other friends, sheās not close with her dad or her stepmom or other family members, and nobody in Seoul or Gongjin really likes her that much. Thatās why DS says that he pities HJ, because he knows that she basically doesnāt have anyone in her life, and he knows itās not because she has high standards/because no oneās good enough for her (though thatās the lie that she tells herself to protect her pride), but because she doesnāt know how to have positive relationships with people. She lacks and struggles with the qualities that are essential for getting close to people and having positive relationships, and thatās why he keeps ānaggingā her and trying to help her open up to others and get close to other people and teach her how to establish and maintain positive relationships with other people. However, thatās clearly the biggest obstacle for her character, and itās something that Iām sure she will learn to overcome as the drama progresses.
Also, DSādespite his good intentions in initiating wanting to be friends with HJāended up handling the situation kind of poorly too in the sense that he didnāt understand, and wasnāt in tune to, how HJ actually felt when he approached her and suggested that they just be friends (which is what he wanted/thought was the best solutionāthereās no way he couldāve known how she felt/what she was thinking though). I honestly think that HJ wouldāve perceived him as being a jerk regardless of what course of action he took, so he was doomed to be the ābad guyā in her mind no matter what he did/said (lol). I personally donāt think he was being a ājerkā to her or trying to reject her or brush off what happened between them, I think he just genuinely doesnāt know how she feels or thinks. He thought he was being considerate of her feelings by acting like nothing happened and like it wasnāt a big deal/didnāt mean anything because he thought she probably felt embarrassed (which she did) and he assumed it was just a drunken mistake (like her pole-dancing, lol), and also because he doesnāt know for sure how she feels about him either. Both of them donāt know for sure how the other feels about themāthey both suspect that the other might like them, but they both also give each other mixed messages and act like they straight up donāt like each other at all sometimes as well. And neither of them wants to be rejected by the other and they both have their guard up around the other, so they canāt tell how the other feels about them. So, he thought he was being considerate of her feelings, but, because they think and interpret things completely differently, and because he doesnāt know how she feels about him, he ended up giving her the impression that he was rejecting her by suggesting that they just be friends, when I feel like his intentions were the complete opposite when he said they should be friends (because he wants her in his life and to get closer to her/get to know her better and to have a positive relationship with her).
Note: DS also tries to get close to and befriend most people too, and heās well-liked/gets along with most people, so he probably didnāt think anything of it and didnāt think she would interpret it badly when he suggested that they be friends. Also, he clearly has a compulsive need to try and get involved in everything and to āfixā everything immediately, which is why he felt the need to go to her clinic ASAP and try to mend the situation and clear the air between them (but unknowingly did just the opposite, lol).
Iāve been reading everyoneās comments and would like to share my POV since I feel like I have slightly different interpretations of the things that have happened that I would like to share, just to add to the conversation (note: this is gonna be a REALLY long, multi-part rant, lol):
| HJ being mean to DS |
Iām not defending her because I also felt like she was being too harsh at times, but I feel like how she acted is understandable if you think about it. Iāve seen lots of comments saying that sheās being mean to DS because of her past relationship trauma, but I personally donāt think that her past relationship trauma has much to do with how sheās treating DS.
I think that DS was right when he said that HJ was being āimmatureā and āchildishā (as he also can be at times though too, IMO), because how she was acting is typically how kids/younger people sometimes act when they like someone. Even in real life, people sometimes try to be cold/standoffish to people they have feelings for, especially if they know/have a feeling that their feelings won't be reciprocated by the other person. (DS also acted cold/standoffish to HJ first in the first episode, even though we later learn that he was somewhat attracted to her from the very first moment that he saw her.) Itās a defense mechanism. She has feelings for him (though she doesnāt fully realize it yet), but she's trying to protect herself from getting hurt by trying to put distance between them and trying to make Doo Shik leave her alone/stop making her fall even more for him, because she doesn't want to be stuck in a one-sided crush/relationship. She's trying to protect herself from being rejected by rejecting him and being cold to him first, essentially, and trying to make him stop making her fall even more in love with him.
I feel like she is extra harsh to him because she feels like heās giving her mixed messages (which he kind of is) and keeps giving her the idea that he likes her, even though part of it is her own misunderstanding (though he does have feelings her, but he doesnāt outwardly show it like she thinks he does sometimes). Remember, she hasnāt dated much and is a super conservative/non-affectionate/close-minded person, so DS was right to an extent when he said she has āprincess syndrome,ā because she is the type of person who will misconstrue someone just being nice to her as them leading her on. She felt like he misled her/led her on to an extent (which, he didnāt, but thatās her perception), and then she kissed him firstāsomething she never doesāprobably because she subconsciously thought that he liked her back (which he does, lol). But then he brushed it off and said that he didnāt have any feelings for her, which probably made her feel really vulnerable and embarrassed and powerless, because she kind of put herself out there and then interpreted his reaction as him rejecting her (which, it wasnāt meant to be, but thatās how she interpreted it). So, like someone already mentioned, her lashing out at him was her trying to take back control of the situation and prevent herself from getting rejected and feeling like she made a fool of herself or like he made a fool out of her.
I feel like they both have been really harsh to one another at times, but I donāt feel like either one is actually being āmeanā because I can genuinely understand where both sides are coming from and what types of things are informing their actions and words. I think the main issue is just that theyāre complete opposites and they have a hard time understanding each other and they keep misunderstanding each other. However, they both seem to be aware of their own flaws and they both are able to own up to their mistakes and try to make things right/make it up to the other in the end, which makes both of their characters really human/realistic and also endearing/likable, IMO.
I like that they both try to be honest with one another though (except for being honest about their feelings for each other, lol, but that will happen later, I know) and actually try to communicate with one another and let the other know how they feel/what they think (especially DSāHJ kind of doesnāt know how to do stuff like that yet, but sheās gradually learning how to be better). I feel like that so rarely happens in shows/movies, where characters actually genuinely try to communicate with one another and understand each other better and be honest with one another/try to clear up misunderstandings (even if they accidentally fail sometimes and just make things worse, lol), rather than just letting the misunderstandings continue/compound over time and then result in a big dramatic situation later on. Theyāre continuously trying to resolve the issues that they have and communicate with one another and figure the other out/try to understand the other despite the fact that theyāre complete opposites and think/interpret things so differently. This aspect makes their relationship very realistic and mature, IMO.
I didn't like Hyejin in this episode, I mean I get why she may be acting in the way she is but c'mon not a great…
I felt that way too initially when I was watching the new episode--that she was being too harsh/mean to him. However, I feel like Doo Shik was able to see through her when he called her "immature" and "childish," because how she was acting is typically how kids/younger people sometimes act when they like someone. Even in real life, people sometimes try to be cold/standoffish to people they have feelings for, especially if they know/have a feeling that their feelings won't be reciprocated by the other person. Doo Shik acts like he genuinely isn't aware of his feelings for her (though he might be sub-consciously aware), he doesn't outwardly show her that he has feelings for her in a way that's obvious enough to her, and he keeps insisting that there's nothing between them and that he just wants to be friends with her.
So, how she's acting makes sense to me when I think about it--it's a defense mechanism, as someone else already mentioned as well. She has feelings for him, but she's trying to protect herself from getting hurt by trying to put distance between them and trying to make Doo Shik leave her alone/stop making her fall even more for him, because she doesn't want to be stuck in a one-sided crush/relationship. She's trying to protect herself from being rejected by rejecting him and being cold to him first, essentially.
He maybe doesn't want romantic relationship with her? Because of his trauma? I guess she will draw the line first…
That's what I'm wondering too, if he has some kind of trauma that makes him not want to be in a relationship with anyone, since the people in Gongjin were saying that lots of women are lined up to date Doo Shik, but then the one old lady said that Doo Shik is good at everything "except finding a woman." But it's obviously not because he's undesirable or anything like that, since lots of people like him. So yeah, I'm also wondering the same thing, if his past trauma is preventing him from getting too close to people or something like that.
I really hope that Hye Jin and Doo Shik's relationship/friendship doesn't become awkward/uncomfortable/sad now though. Like, I hope that Hye Jin just tries to clarify the situation/set boundaries with him, but that she doesn't chase him away or make him not want to be around her anymore. I hope that they continue to be friends and that there isn't this uncomfortable tension/drama between them..
And the original movie that the drama is based on is called "Mr. Hong": https://kisskh.at/1693-mr.-hong
And same--I wasn't really expecting much from this drama when I first heard about it and read the plot synopsis for it. I thought it just might be a nice, fluffy, lighthearted drama that I can watch to pass time. But oh my god! It's soooooooo good!!! If this drama continues to be as good as it has been so far all the way until the end, then this may become my new all-time favorite Kdrama ever!
The theory of him having a wife and child who died/left him just seems way too makjang-y to me though, and I feel like the old lady (his "grandma") wouldn't tease him about not being able to find a woman (since she knows the truth about him) if he had actually gotten married and had a kid and then they died/left him. There's no way she would joke about something like that if that had happened. And I feel like his aura/reaction/expressions would be much darker/sadder when people tell him he should date if he had gotten married and had a kid and then they died/left him. But he doesn't seem sad or bothered to me when people tell him he should date, so I really don't think that's it. Also, this drama is supposed to be a comedy/slice-of-life drama, so the idea of DS having a dead wife and child just seems way too heavy for this drama and doesn't match the genre/vibe of the drama, IMO. I think it's an interesting theory though, and, again, since we don't know, I can't fully dismiss the possibility of it being true. I just feel like it's unlikely.
And yeah, I agree, the sub-plot with Juri and her dad I feel was supposed to be the parallel between HJ and her dad, and we see that the two of them start to reconnect/rekindle their relationship at the end of ep. 6 after Juri and her dad make up with one another and start to understand each other better.
Yeah, I agree--HJ clearly interprets DS's reactions/actions/responses as being a rejection, which is why she felt hurt and also why she started to go on the offense and start being harsh/cold to DS. Because she felt like he was rejecting her, she tried to reject him first and position herself as being "above" him (i.e., by bringing up their "social positions" and saying that she "doesn't befriend just anyone," despite her not any having friends aside from Mi Seon) because he made her feel really small, I think, and hurt both her feelings and her pride, even though that wasn't his intention.
At the same time, though, IDT anything DS did or said would've made her feel better in that situation. š Because neither of them seems to be fully aware of their feelings for the other yet, and neither of them knows how the other feels about them either, and both of them feel like the other doesn't like them or has been continuously rejecting them. So, like, I feel like DS was stuck between a rock and a hard place, because he's not aware enough yet of his feelings--nor does he know if he wants to pursue a romantic relationship with anyone yet, it seems like--so, like, there was no way that he was gonna be like, "Yeah, you kissed me, and I enjoyed it. Let's date." Lol. Because he's not quite there/ready yet. And even though HJ's clearly in love with him and gets jealous and feels rejected by him, she's still in denial about how she feels and hasn't had an epiphany yet, so who knows how she would've reacted even if he did acknowledge what happened between them and was open/honest about his feelings for her. There really was no way for him to win in that situation, I feel like, because she would've had an issue with how he handled the situation regardless. Lol. I can understand how she feels though at the same time. Being in love makes you really vulnerable, and so it's easy to get hurt and to feel rejected by the other person, even if they're not actually trying to hurt or reject you.
I saw some people say that they think that DS is into photography because heās dying and/or is going blind/has a disease/etc. However, I think the terminal illness theory was already proven to be false when we discovered that he was going to Seoul to see a psychiatrist and not some other type of doctor. If he was really dying, he wouldnāt be spending his time talking to a psychiatrist about past traumas that are haunting him, he would most likely be worrying about the future and whatās to come. Thereās nothing in the drama that suggests that heās losing his eyesight or anything like that as well. I think that the reason he likes taking pictures of Gongjin and the people of Gongjin is because he probably doesnāt have many photos of his parents, his grandfather, or himself as a child. Heās probably sad that he doesnāt have many things to remember them or his childhood by, and heās constantly haunted by past traumas and thoughts of how he grew up with no parents and alone. So, I interpret his interest in photography as him trying to preserve the memories of the people and places he loves while theyāre still around, since heās already lost so many people in his life. Especially since most of the subjects of his photos are old people, remember? People who he loves and gets along with really well who will soon no longer be around. He wants to have things that he can remember them by, and remember them when they were alive and well and happy. Remember, he doesnāt have any family members, and the people of Gongjin are the closest that he has to a family. I think he only takes pictures of the people and places that he loves, which is why he told HJ before that he wouldnāt take pictures of her because he has āhigh standardsā when it comes to the models/subjects of his pictures. But then he secretly does take pictures of her when she isnāt looking and he also took pictures of her when she was drunk as well, showing that he does love/care about her (whether heās aware of it or not) and wants to remember her.
Iām not sure why DS lives the way he does, but IDT itās because heās dying or anything like that. For some reason I keep thinking that he lives the way he does because of his grandfather, though Iām not sure why I think that. I feel like it might be because his grandfather was a simple and kind personāhe worked hard, but I think was probably poor and uneducated as well. Itās possible that DS feels like he didnāt appreciate or cherish his grandpa as much as he shouldāve when he was still alive, maybe they butted heads a lot when DS was in middle school because DS was gifted and got straight Aās and couldnāt understand his grandpa or maybe didnāt see value in the way that his grandpa lived. (It makes me think of what DS says to Juri about how she should be nicer to her father, otherwise sheāll regret it later on.) And then maybe his grandpa died in an accident and DS saw him when he was about to die or shortly after he died, and maybe itās his grandpa who haunts him in his dreams. Maybe DS carried on living his life the way he wanted to for a while after his grandpaās death, went to SNU and maybe had a job in Seoul for a while, and then maybe sometime after he graduated college he started to have those traumatic nightmares? Maybe he feels guilty about how he treated his grandpa and he started to value what his grandpa valued and is kind of āpaying it forwardā to the people of Gongjin (many of whom are poor and uneducated and lack resources) in the memory of his grandpa, and thatās his form of āatonementā or something? Obviously, it remains a mystery for now, but thatās what Iāve been thinking/wondering.
I also think that DS started to have those traumatic nightmares when he was living in Seoul because the psychiatrist heās been seeing is in Seoul and not in a city thatās closer to Gongjin. He couldāve tried to find a psychiatrist in a city thatās closer to Gongjin, but the fact that heās been seeing one in Seoul about the dreams heās been having means that he started to have those dreams while he was living in Seoul and has just continued to go to the same psychiatrist about his dreams/trauma over the years.
Also, the mystery of what DS did during the 5 years after he graduated college, before returning to Gongjināitās possible that not much happened during that time too. We know that none of the theories that the townspeople suggested are true (because the writers wouldnāt actually have the townspeople guess the real truth), so I donāt think he killed anyone or was in jail at all during that time. If he had accidentally killed someone, even if it was an accident, he wouldāve served some time in jail. However, because that was one of the things that one of the people guessed might have happened and then the old woman/his āgrandmaā (who knows the truth) got mad and said that she wanted to seal that one guyās lips when he guessed that and said it wasnāt true, that makes me think that DS didnāt actually accidentally kill someone. Itās possible that he just worked a boring job in Seoul the whole time and hated it and had an epiphany while he was working there that he wanted to live a different kind of life and then returned to Gongjin. I feel like oftentimes when shows/movies have all of these grand theories about what happened to a person during a certain period of time that the truth is oftentimes that nothing much happened and everyoneās just letting their imaginations run wild. The people of Gongjin just like to gossip and blow things up into being a bigger deal than they actually are because theyāre bored and donāt have anything better to do. Thatās my theory anywaysāthat nothing special actually happened during that 5-year period except for DS maybe starting to have those traumatic nightmares and reassessing his life.
I also see some people worrying that the SML is gonna end up with the FL in the end. I REALLY doubt that. HJ and DS are definitely gonna end up together, I feel like. I know that KSH has played other characters in the past who didnāt end up with anyone/with the FL, but Iām like positive that DS and HJ are going to end up together in this drama. I will be SHOCKED if they donāt end up together. Since this is a rom-com though, Iām almost certain that they will end up together in the end. Especially since we know that they met a couple of times when they were younger now, which, in Kdrama-land, means that theyāre āfated lovers.ā It just might take them a while to realize and accept their feelings and to make their feelings known to each other, but Iām fine with that since I love slow-burn romance stories. <3
I feel like I interpreted the scene where DS was looking at the picture of the mother and the child so differently from a lot of people, because I just assumed it was his mother and him as a baby in the picture just given the context and what we know. I didnāt even consider the possibility of him maybe having a wife and child who died. Now, Iām not dismissing that theory since it is plausible, especially since no one knows what he did for 5 years after he finished college. However, I just donāt get the vibe from this drama that something like that would happen in this drama. This is supposed to be a fluffy, feel-good/heartwarming, healing rom-com, and the ML having a dead wife and child, ON TOP of already being an orphan who lost his parents and his grandpa at a young age and having no one he can lean on in his life⦠IDK. Like, how tragic can one characterās life get in one drama, especially considering that this is not a makjang/melodrama either, right? (Iām pretty sure itās not, right?) If this was a melodrama-type of drama, then maybe I would believe it, but, since IDT it is, and this drama is supposed to be a comedy and a slice-of-life type of drama, I feel like the mother and child in the picture are most likely him and his mother, and not a dead wife and child. Something like that just seems way too heavy for a drama like this, IMOā¦
Iām not sure why the fatherās face wasnāt shown, and I also found that strange when I was watching that scene. However, thereās probably a reason for itālike, the fatherās picture or a flashback scene of his father may happen later on in the drama, and they donāt want the viewers to know right away who his father was, so maybe thatās why they didnāt show his face. Maybe the trauma that DS has has something to do with his father? Maybe his father killed his mother (and then killed himself), and DS witnessed what happened and thatās why heās traumatized? When I watched the scene of DSās dream where the bloody hand grabs his shoulder, for some reason I immediately wondered if the bloody hand was supposed to belong to his father or grandfather. Iāve been thinking that they either died due to accidents or maybe they were murdered or something, and maybe DS saw a dead body/dead bodies and thatās why he dreams of a bloody hand grabbing him. DS definitely has PTSD, as heās seeing a psychiatrist and has vivid recurring nightmares that are connected to his trauma. I feel like he was most likely the victim of some kind of trauma-inducing situation rather than the perpetrator of some accidental murder or whatever. (Though, again, since we donāt know, Iām not dismissing the possibility of him having accidentally killed someone, I just feel like itās unlikely.)
Someone else already mentioned this earlier too and I agree: if DS had gotten married, he wouldnāt have kept it a secret from everyone in Gongjināwhy would he keep something like that a secret?? He has no reason to keep a wife and child a secret from everyone in his home village. I feel like he would want people to know if he was happily married and had a child. Also, the old lady (his āgrandmaā) knows where he was and what he did during that 5-year periodāsheās the only one who knows aside from him. Yet, sheās repeatedly teased him about not being able to find a woman and says that he should get with someone. If he had gotten married and had a child, she would definitely not be teasing him about something like that, especially if they died or left him. Moreover, his reaction to people telling him he should date someone doesnāt seem sad or bothered at all to me eitherāheās just reluctant to for some reason, but I feel like his aura and reaction would be much darker/sadder if he had actually gotten married and had a child and then they died or left him. Also, he looked at the picture of the mother and child right after having a discussion with the cafĆ© owner about how he grew up without parents, and it was only during that moment when they talked that he looked a little sad. So, I high-key think the mother and child in the picture are him and his mother, and weāll find out later why the fatherās face wasnāt shown.
I feel like I interpreted this situation completely differently than everyone else did. I thought it was really sweet and mature of DS to make it clear that he wanted to have some kind of a friendship/positive relationship with HJ, especially given the context/fact that they fight/butt heads and misunderstand each other often. I feel like itās so rare for someoneāespecially guysāto initiate wanting to just be friends with someone that theyāre attracted to/have romantic feelings for. I really hate the term āfriendzoning,ā because thereās nothing wrong with being friends. I interpreted DS suggesting that they be friends as him trying to extend an olive branch to HJ and essentially being like, āHey, Iām not really sure what kind of relationship I want to have with you ATM, but I genuinely like you and want to get to know you better and have some kind of a positive relationship with you whether we end up dating or not.ā That shows a lot of emotional maturity from his side, IMO.
He demonstrated that he cares about her as a person regardless of what the nature of their relationship is and showed interest in wanting to get closer to her and get to know her better and so on. And then, after theyāve been friends for a while and he gets closer to her/gets to know her better, he can decide if he wants to open up to her and pursue her romantically or not. Thatās not selfish, itās practical. Neither of them are the types to go all-in into a relationship until theyāre absolutely sure about both their own feelings and the other person, and the only way for them to be sure about that is to get closer and to get to know each other better (hence being friends first). And itās nice to see that he wants to have a relationship with her even if they arenāt dating/romantically-involved with each other, because I feel like male-female relationships oftentimes get reduced to either being dating or not-dating, and genuine, real friendships between members of the opposite sex rarely get explored or shown in media, I feel like.
Note: Also, neither of them is fully aware of or has accepted their feelings for each other yet, so being friends was the only positive relationship that he could suggest that they have since both of them act like they hate each other more often than they act like they like each other, and neither of them is fully conscious of how they feel nor how the other feels about them.
The reason DSās friendship suggestion didnāt work/back-fired though is because HJ doesnāt know how to be friends with people or how to get close to people or how to have positive relationships of any kind with other people. Remember, she only has ONE friend (Mi Seon), and that ONE friend is literally the ONLY person she opens up to and has any kind of positive relationship with. She doesnāt have any other friends, sheās not close with her dad or her stepmom or other family members, and nobody in Seoul or Gongjin really likes her that much. Thatās why DS says that he pities HJ, because he knows that she basically doesnāt have anyone in her life, and he knows itās not because she has high standards/because no oneās good enough for her (though thatās the lie that she tells herself to protect her pride), but because she doesnāt know how to have positive relationships with people. She lacks and struggles with the qualities that are essential for getting close to people and having positive relationships, and thatās why he keeps ānaggingā her and trying to help her open up to others and get close to other people and teach her how to establish and maintain positive relationships with other people. However, thatās clearly the biggest obstacle for her character, and itās something that Iām sure she will learn to overcome as the drama progresses.
Also, DSādespite his good intentions in initiating wanting to be friends with HJāended up handling the situation kind of poorly too in the sense that he didnāt understand, and wasnāt in tune to, how HJ actually felt when he approached her and suggested that they just be friends (which is what he wanted/thought was the best solutionāthereās no way he couldāve known how she felt/what she was thinking though). I honestly think that HJ wouldāve perceived him as being a jerk regardless of what course of action he took, so he was doomed to be the ābad guyā in her mind no matter what he did/said (lol). I personally donāt think he was being a ājerkā to her or trying to reject her or brush off what happened between them, I think he just genuinely doesnāt know how she feels or thinks. He thought he was being considerate of her feelings by acting like nothing happened and like it wasnāt a big deal/didnāt mean anything because he thought she probably felt embarrassed (which she did) and he assumed it was just a drunken mistake (like her pole-dancing, lol), and also because he doesnāt know for sure how she feels about him either. Both of them donāt know for sure how the other feels about themāthey both suspect that the other might like them, but they both also give each other mixed messages and act like they straight up donāt like each other at all sometimes as well. And neither of them wants to be rejected by the other and they both have their guard up around the other, so they canāt tell how the other feels about them. So, he thought he was being considerate of her feelings, but, because they think and interpret things completely differently, and because he doesnāt know how she feels about him, he ended up giving her the impression that he was rejecting her by suggesting that they just be friends, when I feel like his intentions were the complete opposite when he said they should be friends (because he wants her in his life and to get closer to her/get to know her better and to have a positive relationship with her).
Note: DS also tries to get close to and befriend most people too, and heās well-liked/gets along with most people, so he probably didnāt think anything of it and didnāt think she would interpret it badly when he suggested that they be friends. Also, he clearly has a compulsive need to try and get involved in everything and to āfixā everything immediately, which is why he felt the need to go to her clinic ASAP and try to mend the situation and clear the air between them (but unknowingly did just the opposite, lol).
| HJ being mean to DS |
Iām not defending her because I also felt like she was being too harsh at times, but I feel like how she acted is understandable if you think about it. Iāve seen lots of comments saying that sheās being mean to DS because of her past relationship trauma, but I personally donāt think that her past relationship trauma has much to do with how sheās treating DS.
I think that DS was right when he said that HJ was being āimmatureā and āchildishā (as he also can be at times though too, IMO), because how she was acting is typically how kids/younger people sometimes act when they like someone. Even in real life, people sometimes try to be cold/standoffish to people they have feelings for, especially if they know/have a feeling that their feelings won't be reciprocated by the other person. (DS also acted cold/standoffish to HJ first in the first episode, even though we later learn that he was somewhat attracted to her from the very first moment that he saw her.) Itās a defense mechanism. She has feelings for him (though she doesnāt fully realize it yet), but she's trying to protect herself from getting hurt by trying to put distance between them and trying to make Doo Shik leave her alone/stop making her fall even more for him, because she doesn't want to be stuck in a one-sided crush/relationship. She's trying to protect herself from being rejected by rejecting him and being cold to him first, essentially, and trying to make him stop making her fall even more in love with him.
I feel like she is extra harsh to him because she feels like heās giving her mixed messages (which he kind of is) and keeps giving her the idea that he likes her, even though part of it is her own misunderstanding (though he does have feelings her, but he doesnāt outwardly show it like she thinks he does sometimes). Remember, she hasnāt dated much and is a super conservative/non-affectionate/close-minded person, so DS was right to an extent when he said she has āprincess syndrome,ā because she is the type of person who will misconstrue someone just being nice to her as them leading her on. She felt like he misled her/led her on to an extent (which, he didnāt, but thatās her perception), and then she kissed him firstāsomething she never doesāprobably because she subconsciously thought that he liked her back (which he does, lol). But then he brushed it off and said that he didnāt have any feelings for her, which probably made her feel really vulnerable and embarrassed and powerless, because she kind of put herself out there and then interpreted his reaction as him rejecting her (which, it wasnāt meant to be, but thatās how she interpreted it). So, like someone already mentioned, her lashing out at him was her trying to take back control of the situation and prevent herself from getting rejected and feeling like she made a fool of herself or like he made a fool out of her.
I feel like they both have been really harsh to one another at times, but I donāt feel like either one is actually being āmeanā because I can genuinely understand where both sides are coming from and what types of things are informing their actions and words. I think the main issue is just that theyāre complete opposites and they have a hard time understanding each other and they keep misunderstanding each other. However, they both seem to be aware of their own flaws and they both are able to own up to their mistakes and try to make things right/make it up to the other in the end, which makes both of their characters really human/realistic and also endearing/likable, IMO.
I like that they both try to be honest with one another though (except for being honest about their feelings for each other, lol, but that will happen later, I know) and actually try to communicate with one another and let the other know how they feel/what they think (especially DSāHJ kind of doesnāt know how to do stuff like that yet, but sheās gradually learning how to be better). I feel like that so rarely happens in shows/movies, where characters actually genuinely try to communicate with one another and understand each other better and be honest with one another/try to clear up misunderstandings (even if they accidentally fail sometimes and just make things worse, lol), rather than just letting the misunderstandings continue/compound over time and then result in a big dramatic situation later on. Theyāre continuously trying to resolve the issues that they have and communicate with one another and figure the other out/try to understand the other despite the fact that theyāre complete opposites and think/interpret things so differently. This aspect makes their relationship very realistic and mature, IMO.
So, how she's acting makes sense to me when I think about it--it's a defense mechanism, as someone else already mentioned as well. She has feelings for him, but she's trying to protect herself from getting hurt by trying to put distance between them and trying to make Doo Shik leave her alone/stop making her fall even more for him, because she doesn't want to be stuck in a one-sided crush/relationship. She's trying to protect herself from being rejected by rejecting him and being cold to him first, essentially.
I really hope that Hye Jin and Doo Shik's relationship/friendship doesn't become awkward/uncomfortable/sad now though. Like, I hope that Hye Jin just tries to clarify the situation/set boundaries with him, but that she doesn't chase him away or make him not want to be around her anymore. I hope that they continue to be friends and that there isn't this uncomfortable tension/drama between them..