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https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-60573719, https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-60627042,

I thought you deleted it because I can't see your reply where you said Black should stop being demanding, or my comments where I addressed that anymore but yeah I do apologise for that and I take that back maybe a mod has deleted it

I've marked them as spoilers because it's taking up too much room on the thread. As I said earlier I'm not going to respond to anything anymore, but you have a great weekend

In the links I sent above you can see the accounts of people that spent longer than that time period. But yeah that's all from me have a great weekend

I didn't say " you said it was ok" I said that it is NOT ok for YOU to assume her political views You actually said that she "obviously supports Russia"Just wanted to clarify that!

Mentioning one account of a Black man pushing a woman onto a train doesn't really change the fact that racism has occurred at those borders. People are still stuck at the borders and only thanks to certain countries intervening for instance Nigeria has sent over 100 planes to get their own citizens and Romania also helped aa well but ig was after people spoke out. And people are still stuck their so I don't know where you're getting this majority from. In the links I showed you before it showed people camping and walking to the other border and the treatment they received. Its like saying oh in the time of the Holocaust you've heard that some Jewish people escaped safely right? This is an extreme example of course but you understand what I mean doesn't change the fact that Jewish people faced discrimination in their own home.

Another example it's also like saying that during the black lives matter movement that people were destroying property etc etc which was true but it was used to overshadow the fact that hundreds of people were actually being killed, attacked, and arrested for peaceful protests. So you coming out and saying let's look at the side where there is less "emotions" is basically like saying to someone who is literally at risk of dying from a bomb or nuclear explosion but look at those who have made it through safely you're just being hysterical and emotional. It's invalidating their experience and feelings.

You keep saying it evokes less emotions obviously it does. But it doesn't change the fact that multiple presidents have come out and said this is racist.

You clearly said in your comment which you deleted by the way because my comments are also gone as a result that " I wish Black people won't be so demanding" so don't try and change what you said now please.

Hold on! No one (from the links I sent to you) has said anything about genocide, let's just clarify that please.

So is a poster saying no blacks allowed racist or not yes or no. And I have to ask you what reason would they not allow Black and Indian students to leave the country? That's all I have to say to this.

And also you aren't in the in the situation so you don't really get to tell people they are overreacting?

It's easy to sit in the comfort of you're home and say oh these people are overreacting, what evidence do you have to show they are overreacting?

I think you need to look at the definition that I sent you in your dm's of systemic racism and see what that means. And I advise before telling someone what they mean I think it's better to approach like hey did you mean this? Because I never mentioned systemic racism . them what they mean Again mentioning that refugee had nothing to do with what I said in my original comment so I'm just going to politely ignore that.

"when they are facing worse things in Ukraine because they are Black"
- that suggests EVERY black person's facing worse which is not true. You even say theres's thousands of such cases. No proof to that. And still it's the Ukrainian who face THE WORST. It's THEIR homeland that got attacked and THEY are KILLED. Shifting the agenda to black problems is not fair right now. It's not like the region got more racist in the last 2 weeks.


I am not shifting any agenda at all! It is a fact I literally showed you multiple accounts and( I am happy to show more but they really are easy to find) You are also implying that Black individuals are not Ukrainians, it is ALSO their home they are ALSO at risk of getting killed and now they are at GREATER risk of being killed because they are being REFUSED entry and safe passage out of Ukraine it is also THEIR homeland. I have shown you so much proof so I don't know what to say at this point.

The thing I am trying to get you to recognise is that it did get worse BECAUSE before it was casual racism which is still unacceptable but now that racism now puts them at a greater risk of being killed because they cannot leave!

And I find it quite offensive and actually hurtful that your saying I'm just screaming racist racist racist in people's faces. I've actually taken the time to give you definitions of what systemic racism is, I've told you that Pregnant black women and children are being refused entry on trains and pulled off buses,I've told you that posters saying no blacks allowed have been put up and people are being segregated at borders. If that's not racism what is that? I actually find it so sad that all you think is that I'm screaming racist when I have actually taken time to speak with you and show you multiple sources of this.

I still don't really understand why you brought it up when all I said in my original comment was that people are being discriminated again and you responded saying that it's not systemic racism (which I didn't even bring up by the way) and that "as a bonus" here's a video of a dark skinned refugee. I actually wasn't criticising you're use of dark-skinned but you are correct! I don't think it should be used and you should even bring up his race at all because it isn't relevant.

"You are also discriminating against a Black woman because she speaks Russian. Did she say she supports the war?"
- I PERSONALLY wrote she doesn't support the war. I said it's a given that ppl here will be now suspisious to everyone who speaks russian. A russian spy got detained recently, heard about that? It's totally understandable to slighlty on an alert BUT ppl has to use brain also no to harass any russian speaker. It's so obvious, why am I even saying that...

This is what yousaid but doesn't make it ok to make assumptions about people's political views when they haven't said anything! Whether she speaks Russian or not doesn't matter there are so many Black Russian individuals but doesn't mean they all support Putin. For instance in the US would you say that oh their American so they must have supported Trump, no! So it's not fair to say statements like that assuming people's political opinions when they haven't given any indication towards it

I'll be honest it was strange that you mentioned his race at all to me that's just my opinion. And please please please! Don't put words in my mouth I haven't called you racist.

And I thought so that's why I wanted to clarify the meaning! Thanks for acknowledging that

And I also want to point out that by you saying this "I think we should listen to Ukrainian." you are also not listening the the Africans who are sharing their own experiences

And let me give you this analogy just to try and clarify things. Let's put it this way if a woman says to a man hey what you did is sexist and I don't think that's ok, you wouldn't go oh but she doesn't know what she's talking about she's making a big deal out of nothing, when has had years of experiences with dealing with sexism and recognising it? No! So when I say you don't have an a valid opinion on this one not trying to be a bitch it's because you have not experienced racism maybe discrimination but not racism due to the colour of your skin and thus cannot recognise it!

You have rejected the accounts and videos of Africans and Ukrainians who aren't Ukrainian by ethnicity because you value your opinion more than their own honest experience which isn't fair for them.

When Ukrainians were saying oh we are getting bombed and are finding it hard to get through the borders you believed so why do you not believe the accounts of Africans and the opinions of African Presidents and leaders? That is what I keep asking you but you haven't responded to that.

I'll say it again. I haven't called you racist in any of my comments. I did say this "" do correct me if I interpreted that wrong) to that I say that's just racist. period."" and I explained above that I was referring to your statment and not you as a person IF that's what you meant so I don't know where you're getting this from

What are you talking about? I never called you racist once. In fact I actually said and this is me just copying and pasting what I said " (do correct me if I interpreted that wrong) to that I say that's just racist. period.". I was referring the the statment you made NOT that you are racist. And that's the only time I said that so let's get that clarified.

Actually I take it back I'm not just going to message you for the sake of my sanity and so people can seen both sides because you've said some shocking things and I think people actually need to see my response. You just said and I quote "I wish that Black people weren't so demanding in hard times to label everything as racist" let me tell you this. You are not Black, and from the looks of it you are not a person of colour so you do not get to say what is or is not racism. Simply because you do not expect. You have NO right to tell Black people that they are being demanding when they are facing worse things in Ukraine because they are Black. This is not my opinion this is fact and the accounts of thousands of Black individuals. You do not get to disregard what they are feeling or experiencing! You do not get to disregarding the voices of Black International leaders who have called out this racism as they have YEARS of experience dealing with politicians and racism themselves. This isn't a matter of breaking down and trying to interpret what people are saying this is just a matter of listening to what people are saying. You are also discriminating against a Black woman because she speaks Russian. Did she say she supports the war? No, so you don't get to interpret and say she supports the war, most Russians don't even support it. Over 4000 Russian soldiers are dead no one supports that. Same goes with the Indian News channel. You don't get to interpret whether or not they support Russia. My opinion and your opinion is not above the accounts of these people.