I apologize for reading that comment which was not for me. I will avoid reading all comments from now on, unless they are addressed to me personally. :-)
I was so immersed in the product placements that I didn’t even see the drama.:-D
I'm still disappointed my punchline didn't make you laugh. For the record, I don't really think so, I didn't pay much attention to product placement, except for episode 9 where it impacted the dialogue too much.
Last time, she told me that I was criticizing because I was fangirl of Lee Jong Suk, and that it was to harm Lee MinHo. While Lee Jong Suk is not particularly my favorite actor, and I have nothing against Lee MinHo, or actors in general in TKEM. ^^
And if you tell her you wrote a drama, she'll just say you have no right to criticize because you're jealous. Or something like that. In fact, don't look too far, whoever you are, you're not allowed to criticize. ^^
How can you hate a drama so much by giving it 4.5/10 and still watch it? Honest question. There are so many amazing…
This drama is really crazy! I don't regret watching. On the other hand, some comedy scenes are so good. Some of the dialogue too. When Tae Eul throws "Get undressed". Yay!
How can you hate a drama so much by giving it 4.5/10 and still watch it? Honest question. There are so many amazing…
4.5 is a pretty good score, considering that the previous speaker did not like the romance, on top of everything else.
I'm curious to know if the bad writing is going to be confirmed as much as that on some details. For example, all the painfull subplots from the first episodes. I'm gradually realizing that on top of that, they will be useless. There is already a clue to this: the whole laborious, uninteresting and sometimes confusing police investigation. A mostly sterile subplot. In the end, the resolution was to find the famous Lee Song Do, leading a dull arrest scene into the harras. So much for that!
On some aspects of the story, this drama is a gold mine of what you should never do when writing a screenplay. Especially a screenplay for television that needs to be much more understandable. This makes it possible to see the calamitous result when certain elementary rules are not respected. It's not every day that one is lucky enough to have such a striking example.
It is a pity because other aspects are successful. I feel like I am seeing a schizophrenic story. Maybe the writer delegated a little too much of certain parts to her assistant. Then she was satisfied with a passable result, not having the time to correct everything.
It's obviously in the Kingdom side. The prince visited it and Lim visited everytime that he crossed over to the…
The KES writer was someone I used to like. But DOTS severely disappointed me. And Goblin was, for me, the worst of her dramas. Boring, and forced humour. Unlike most of the audience here, I had no expectations of TKEM. Rather, I expected to be disappointed and give up quickly.Then I saw the qualities of the script, the originality of the romance, and good comedy scenes. Sometimes great dialogues, like I hadn't seen since Secret Garden. So, I have a love/hate relationship with this drama. One thing is certain: I learn a lot from watching it. Even though I often learn what not to do, or what I especially don't want to do, it's just as instructive. I reassure you: I am much more invested in the works I really love, and in totality. I can review the entire drama 4x, 6x, 12x, and more. Even without reviewing the entire drama, there are certain scenes that I can review 20x. So, for the scene with the audio editing, I reviewed it like this. It's a very good scene. The director did a good job on the sequence where the badge falls into the sewer. The lead actress plays very well and captured the essence of the scene, like the moment when she laughs tragically. I tried to capture every moment of the scene and the underlying intention. Or to bring that intention if it didn't exist. It's not the first time I've done an audio montage, too. It's quite exciting to do in itself. You have one or two ideas first. Then you look for some sounds. You give it a try. Finally you spend the whole night working on it, and make it perfect.
Your frustration is totally understandable, the writer is leaving a lot to the viewers to put together and reach…
If there is a flaw in the script: just make it very blurry and hope that the viewers don't pay attention to it. ^^ The portal of the bamboo forest is not far from Seoul. Unfortunately, it must also be close to Busan. However, these two cities are very far away each other...
the romance in this is so boring lmao all they do is stare, run to each other hug and cry
We can see that you didn't watch the drama "Starway to heavens", in which the hero spends 5 episodes chasing cars, buses, trains, and anywhere, in shopping malls, in the mountains, and so on.
It's obviously in the Kingdom side. The prince visited it and Lim visited everytime that he crossed over to the…
Ah! See? You too got caught in the confusion !!! No, Shin Jay's mom lives in ROK's world. Remember, she even cheated at an underground casino, and Shin Jay goes with her to bring back the money. So many minor characters that we lose memory of what's going on.
I knew as soon as I wrote my commentary that it was inaccurate. I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. I often tend to troll a bit, and try to grab attention rather than be accurate. Thank you for answering, even though it took me some time to gather the information I have, among others, on my analysis file.
You're right: the scenario has no plot-hole, at least none that I've been able to detect so far. It's brilliant.
If the lack of information about the library's location is intentional, I think it's a big mistake. It seems like a good idea, but only in a context where everything else is clear in the way it is displayed. If I had been the director/editor, I would have just put in subtitles every time the action takes place in one world or another, and say "republic of Korea", or "kingdom of Korea". It sounds rudimentary and unattractive, but it's effective. You can see this kind of trick in many movies.
Creating a mystery is different from creating unnecessary confusion. I've seen this problem in so many movies or series. Even works that I admire and love deeply. Like the movie "Primer".
This drama made me realize how valuable the viewer's understanding is. How can you lose that understanding. How can it be gained, by what means.
This drama is all about details and information they show and tell but I find mistakes in every episode . In an…
I agree. The drama is very good in terms of logic and consistency. It's a pity that the information is so poorly delivered and that it doesn't serve to make the drama exciting. Too much confusion in the way of telling the story, too many fragmented, long and useless situations. Episode 8 could easily have been Episode 6, by rearranging the boring side plot.
In the last 24 hours you wrote 5+ circlejerk comments bashing the plot with slurs and 1 comment spoiling everything…
People are often boring. At the beginning of the drama, the fans were crying because WDH had a dull role. It seemed obvious to me that he would not be a silent guard for long. Another actor would have been chosen for sure, if that's all it was about. But now that there are good comedy scenes with this actor, the fans spend their time saying that he steals the scenes. There is never a middle ground with the fans. He's a good actor, but I don't see how he would steal a scene from Lee Min Ho, for example. The comedy comes from the difference in personality between the two characters, and their special relationship.
The previous speaker was wrong about me, I've never stopped anyone from watching this drama. Someone once asked in the comments if this drama was worth watching. I said YES, it deserves to be seen. But that it wasn't without pain... Anyway, my comment was just trolling... I'm still surprised to have so many likes. Like that, a lot of spectators don't like both actors.
It's obviously in the Kingdom side. The prince visited it and Lim visited everytime that he crossed over to the…
I misspoke. I exaggerated to draw attention to a fact that has certainly been painful for many for a long time. Here's the (not so) long explanation:
Of course, now we have evidence that there is at least one version of the bookstore in the world of QOK. But is it certain that this bookstore doesn't also exist in the world of ROK? And when was ROK's version used? I remind you that the yo-yo-boy has been seen in both worlds, after. Even worse, he was first seen at the bookstore, without any indication of location. Then, the first time we are sure of the yoyo-boy's location is this scene in ROK, which I rearranged to study how we could better notice it, because it was lost among many scenes with the same atmosphere, but not very important : https://vimeo.com/418796093
- Note that with all the male child actors seen here and there, or on photos, we must already remember that it was the yo-yo boy seen episode 3, at night and quickly. Is it possible the first time we see the drama? - After how long do we know where the bookstore is? Just go back to the first episodes. No indication of location. Better yet, we see Sin-Jay's mother going to the bookstore. So we assume she is in ROK's world to begin with. - Episode 3, 42:00. We don't even know that she's his mother, and then the character is forgotten, she only appears for two seconds. - Episode 3, 51:00, mean uncle goes to the bookstore, right after the timestop. Do we know for sure where he was before?No. We assume he's in ROK's world before. But that doesn't make sense. At this point in the story, the viewer has little clue as to the source of the timestop and how it works. Perhaps, we can deduce that time stops when a character arrives in the world, from the portal, if this is consistent with the first timestop. Except that in episode 3, it would be the opposite, evil oncle leave the world, if the library was in the world of QOK.
I could go on like this for many more paragraphs. For a simple detail like this library, it spoils the understanding of the drama. So we spend a lot of time guessing that this library is at least in the world of QOK. I don't remember the scene that proves 100% that there is at least one version of the library in QOK. And it's possible that when this scene takes place, it's forgotten or unstable. During all this time before, it goes without saying that it's just one detail among many that annoys and confuses the situation.
When this is accumulated with so many other nebulous points, characters that look alike, quickly seen and forgotten, useless scenes, abusive cutting up of isolated situations, lack of storyline for these facts, lazy rhythm, lack of objectives, it is obvious that the audience that watches the drama on TV gives up, and the ratings are at their lowest.
I have a list of all the other confusing details of the drama, with the timecode per episode, and why this creates confusion instead creating mystery, even when we review the drama and understand the scene. It happens in some cases, that even reviewing the scene is not enough, when you already know the future context.
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For the record, I don't really think so, I didn't pay much attention to product placement, except for episode 9 where it impacted the dialogue too much.
In fact, don't look too far, whoever you are, you're not allowed to criticize. ^^
https://youtu.be/BbS3HVzjXTE?t=131
:-D
On the other hand, some comedy scenes are so good.
Some of the dialogue too.
When Tae Eul throws "Get undressed". Yay!
I'm curious to know if the bad writing is going to be confirmed as much as that on some details. For example, all the painfull subplots from the first episodes. I'm gradually realizing that on top of that, they will be useless. There is already a clue to this: the whole laborious, uninteresting and sometimes confusing police investigation. A mostly sterile subplot. In the end, the resolution was to find the famous Lee Song Do, leading a dull arrest scene into the harras. So much for that!
On some aspects of the story, this drama is a gold mine of what you should never do when writing a screenplay. Especially a screenplay for television that needs to be much more understandable. This makes it possible to see the calamitous result when certain elementary rules are not respected. It's not every day that one is lucky enough to have such a striking example.
It is a pity because other aspects are successful. I feel like I am seeing a schizophrenic story. Maybe the writer delegated a little too much of certain parts to her assistant. Then she was satisfied with a passable result, not having the time to correct everything.
So, I have a love/hate relationship with this drama. One thing is certain: I learn a lot from watching it. Even though I often learn what not to do, or what I especially don't want to do, it's just as instructive.
I reassure you: I am much more invested in the works I really love, and in totality. I can review the entire drama 4x, 6x, 12x, and more. Even without reviewing the entire drama, there are certain scenes that I can review 20x. So, for the scene with the audio editing, I reviewed it like this. It's a very good scene. The director did a good job on the sequence where the badge falls into the sewer. The lead actress plays very well and captured the essence of the scene, like the moment when she laughs tragically. I tried to capture every moment of the scene and the underlying intention. Or to bring that intention if it didn't exist.
It's not the first time I've done an audio montage, too. It's quite exciting to do in itself. You have one or two ideas first. Then you look for some sounds. You give it a try. Finally you spend the whole night working on it, and make it perfect.
The portal of the bamboo forest is not far from Seoul.
Unfortunately, it must also be close to Busan.
However, these two cities are very far away each other...
No, Shin Jay's mom lives in ROK's world.
Remember, she even cheated at an underground casino, and Shin Jay goes with her to bring back the money. So many minor characters that we lose memory of what's going on.
I knew as soon as I wrote my commentary that it was inaccurate. I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. I often tend to troll a bit, and try to grab attention rather than be accurate.
Thank you for answering, even though it took me some time to gather the information I have, among others, on my analysis file.
You're right: the scenario has no plot-hole, at least none that I've been able to detect so far. It's brilliant.
If the lack of information about the library's location is intentional, I think it's a big mistake. It seems like a good idea, but only in a context where everything else is clear in the way it is displayed.
If I had been the director/editor, I would have just put in subtitles every time the action takes place in one world or another, and say "republic of Korea", or "kingdom of Korea". It sounds rudimentary and unattractive, but it's effective. You can see this kind of trick in many movies.
Creating a mystery is different from creating unnecessary confusion. I've seen this problem in so many movies or series. Even works that I admire and love deeply. Like the movie "Primer".
This drama made me realize how valuable the viewer's understanding is.
How can you lose that understanding.
How can it be gained, by what means.
It's a pity that the information is so poorly delivered and that it doesn't serve to make the drama exciting.
Too much confusion in the way of telling the story, too many fragmented, long and useless situations.
Episode 8 could easily have been Episode 6, by rearranging the boring side plot.
But now that there are good comedy scenes with this actor, the fans spend their time saying that he steals the scenes. There is never a middle ground with the fans. He's a good actor, but I don't see how he would steal a scene from Lee Min Ho, for example. The comedy comes from the difference in personality between the two characters, and their special relationship.
The previous speaker was wrong about me, I've never stopped anyone from watching this drama. Someone once asked in the comments if this drama was worth watching. I said YES, it deserves to be seen. But that it wasn't without pain...
Anyway, my comment was just trolling... I'm still surprised to have so many likes. Like that, a lot of spectators don't like both actors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqSuHy8G-o
Here's the (not so) long explanation:
Of course, now we have evidence that there is at least one version of the bookstore in the world of QOK. But is it certain that this bookstore doesn't also exist in the world of ROK? And when was ROK's version used? I remind you that the yo-yo-boy has been seen in both worlds, after. Even worse, he was first seen at the bookstore, without any indication of location.
Then, the first time we are sure of the yoyo-boy's location is this scene in ROK, which I rearranged to study how we could better notice it, because it was lost among many scenes with the same atmosphere, but not very important :
https://vimeo.com/418796093
- Note that with all the male child actors seen here and there, or on photos, we must already remember that it was the yo-yo boy seen episode 3, at night and quickly. Is it possible the first time we see the drama?
- After how long do we know where the bookstore is? Just go back to the first episodes. No indication of location. Better yet, we see Sin-Jay's mother going to the bookstore. So we assume she is in ROK's world to begin with.
- Episode 3, 42:00. We don't even know that she's his mother, and then the character is forgotten, she only appears for two seconds.
- Episode 3, 51:00, mean uncle goes to the bookstore, right after the timestop. Do we know for sure where he was before?No. We assume he's in ROK's world before. But that doesn't make sense. At this point in the story, the viewer has little clue as to the source of the timestop and how it works. Perhaps, we can deduce that time stops when a character arrives in the world, from the portal, if this is consistent with the first timestop. Except that in episode 3, it would be the opposite, evil oncle leave the world, if the library was in the world of QOK.
I could go on like this for many more paragraphs. For a simple detail like this library, it spoils the understanding of the drama. So we spend a lot of time guessing that this library is at least in the world of QOK. I don't remember the scene that proves 100% that there is at least one version of the library in QOK. And it's possible that when this scene takes place, it's forgotten or unstable. During all this time before, it goes without saying that it's just one detail among many that annoys and confuses the situation.
When this is accumulated with so many other nebulous points, characters that look alike, quickly seen and forgotten, useless scenes, abusive cutting up of isolated situations, lack of storyline for these facts, lazy rhythm, lack of objectives, it is obvious that the audience that watches the drama on TV gives up, and the ratings are at their lowest.
I have a list of all the other confusing details of the drama, with the timecode per episode, and why this creates confusion instead creating mystery, even when we review the drama and understand the scene. It happens in some cases, that even reviewing the scene is not enough, when you already know the future context.