Ok, so I see there are a lot of changes from the novel to the series:In the novel, Ji Man transmigrated into a…
Ok, with the amnesia and twin sisters combined plot, where FL believes she is the evil twin sister until she finds out the truth later.. this is a plot of another novel I am planning to read soon - Novel link below: https://www.novelupdates.com/series/dragons-flies-phoenix-dances/
So this series is basically adapting two novels lol.
Ok, so I see there are a lot of changes from the novel to the series:In the novel, Ji Man transmigrated into a…
That's funny, because Wen Wan was the FL in the novel Ji Man read in the novel version. Of course, with Ji Man's appearance, Wen Wan then turns into a cannon fodder.
Ok, so I see there are a lot of changes from the novel to the series:In the novel, Ji Man transmigrated into a…
A best example for the term "cannon fodder" is - A female side character who has a crush on ML.. often causes trouble to FL.. in the end meets a very tragic end. Yes, in the series adaptation, they have changed it because of the Chinese censorship, sadly. And as they changed this Transmigration plot into a Twin story, then I feel I, and even Ji Man, cannot forgive the ML for what he did to Nie Sang Yu, no matter how much he changed.
I honestly wish JiMan will end up with A'Lang instead of ML 😅. After watching Starry Love, my standart of ML…
Ok, so I see there are a lot of changes from the novel to the series:
In the novel, Ji Man transmigrated into a Cannon Fodder Supporting Female Character, Nie Sang Yu, in a novel she read. So ML, as per Chinese dramas and novels "ML standards", really despises this cannon fodder for harming the novel FL and so he pushes her to the point of suicide. Don't the demographic audience like this kind of ML who only loves his FL and is despising of other female characters who come between him and FL? So yeah, that's the ML we have. And Ji Man just happened to transmigrate into one of those women who was despised by the ML. His character setting is like that. So, with the changes in the series, I can see why ML looks like a complete jerk. I'm not watching this series. I do encourage you to read the novel though. It is so much fun. Don't worry that ML has concubines and he frequents them a lot. Cause, Ji Man doesn't like him and really does not give a care that he does that for most of the novel. Only in the last 3rd of the novel, after a very well written character development (from a scumbag to a person who only loves Ji Man) from ML.. and a lot of chasing, does Ji Man reciprocate his feelings.
It definitely has a happy ending. The screenwriter is the original author so you can be assured they made the…
You have the wrong author here. The one you mentioned is working on Wonderland of Love.. starring Xu Kai and Jing Tian. I am very excited about this one too.
From Road Home author the following series came to be: Go Go Squid! DT Appledog's Time One and Only Forever and Ever
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
I appreciate all of the polite arguments here. Here's a recommendation I have, which I hope can contribute to this conversation - a Chinese novel (English translated) I read a while ago - Arrogant Meets Passionate - Novel Updates Link: https://www.novelupdates.com/series/arrogant-meets-passionate/
Here we have a ML who is like a typical FL you see in Chinese dramas. He only loves FL and rejects all other women.. but he is very polite in his rejections.. so not like the the other MLs we come across in Chinese dramas or novels. He feels so real. Even the FL in this novel feels very real.
FL is very insecure of ML's attitude towards women around him, and she has a very good reason for it too. Her ex bf cheated on her.. and she also had to go through an abortion because of it (Yes, neither ML and FL here are pure virgins!!).
So, ML's ex comes back and tries to get back with him. He politely rejects her, of course. His ex then changes tactics and tries to appear in front of him (seemingly with no other intentions.. "coincidences").. him being a gentleman does not mind it. Because to him, he already rejected her and she gave up on him.
I really liked .. no LOVED this novel, and the ML too.. but of course, there are lot of people reviewing this novel did not like the ML.
The FL in this novel is one of favorite characters ever. Totally loved her. Give it a chance if you guys are up to it. Going by the title - Arrogant = FL Passionate = ML
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
I guess I can offer an hypothetical situation.. Just imagine there is a drama - where ML and FL are married. ML's ex comes back and she is now ML's co-worker. ML is also in a situation where he cannot change jobs, because reasons. ML's ex is constantly trying to get him back and making moves on him. But ML is doing nothing to get away from his ex (but he is clear he does not like her.. and explains to FL about same..) and instead taking her help to sort out his problems.
I would like to ask everyone here, do you think you can like this kind of ML? Even if you like this ML, would you say no one else would mind this kind of ML? There would be an outrage on social media, calling him the worst ML ever. Do you no think so?
And I understand the point mooc is making here - Yes, the MLs is Chinese dramas and novels are basically character you do not see in real life. The MLs I am taking about are of course the ones who do not care about any other females apart from FL. He's cold and even ruthless to other females but is so warm only to the FL. I would say, even if this kind of person exists in real life, I would suggest he consult a psychiatrist. He's got some problems always having this cold face and being ruthless to other women that are not FL. I would also suggest this FL to stay away from this person, as no one could not guarantee he would be the same way to FL once their love wears off or something.
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
Yes, and the fact that people here are trying their best to defend many of FL's actions in those 35 Episodes and then trying to put the blame on ML for his one action in the last episode says a lot about it.
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
And yes, QS made it clear she doesn't have feelings for her ex. But, to YH, QS also has no romantic feeling for him too. She is only in this marriage because she would never divorce, never cheat, never remarry. And when he asked her if she would go back to her ex, her answer was "I am married to you. I would never cheat." That isn't assuring at all. If only should could be more open about her feelings.
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
He is not forcing her into anything, I don't believe so. The ball was still in QS's court. To him, she does not reciprocate his feelings. So what does it matter if she misunderstood him? If she came to the airport, then he would know what she feels about him. Again, it was a bad move, and I acknowledge that. But that's a man desperate to know what his beloved thinks of him. So he made that move. So I understand him.
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
A simple solution for QS to stay away from her ex, who is still pursuing her, while being engaged to another woman.. And she, a married woman - Leave that firm and join another firm that values her.
And what you are saying sounds like QS is using her ex's feelings for her to get cases , which is also not a good look.
QS knows what YH feels about her. She also knows he does not love his ex, because the woman he loves is her, QS. He let her know that before. Even when they divorced, he let her know what he feels. That he stands by his promises. She also acknowledged that if she had responded to his feelings then, they would be fine and did not have to go through the divorce. It's her indecisive actions that lead to all this. Whatever YH did after is not his fault.. He didn't have to defend himself when he is clear to himself, and even QS, that the one he loves is QS. The fact that QS came to love him is because she believes he loves her too. Then why all the drama?
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
I would like to add more to the bad move by YH in the finale, in that I would actually blame QS for this situation.
YH did reveal his feelings. Drunken confession aside, when YH brought up the divorce, he confirmed his feelings again. Yes, he did not say "I Love you", but what he said to her confirms that he loves her and more. In my view, his words are more powerful than simple "I love you". All QS had to was to respond to them and they would not need to go through all these misunderstandings. But she never did. Until the last scene, that is also because YH came back, did she reveal her feelings for him. QS also acknowledged to herself that she indeed loves YH, right after they got their divorce certificate, she did so in her car. YH put the ball in QS's court when he divorced her. To him, QS was only in this marriage because they are married and she would never divorce. To him, QS would never get back with her ex because she is married and would never divorce nor would she cheat on her husband. He doesn't know that it's because she loves him and wants to be with him. She never let him know that. So YH divorced her, let her sort her own feelings for her ex or for him. If she goes back to her ex, then he would silently retreat. So yes, when he got to know that she has some misunderstanding about his relationship with his ex, he was confused. Then YY gave him this bad plan, which he went through with.. bad plan/move as it may be, this is the fastest way for him to know what QS feels for him. I can understand why he went through with it. I can empathize with him. If she chases after him to the airport, then he would know that QS loves him.. the misunderstandings between them would be resolved there at the airport when QS sees the situation for herself. Alas, he didn't see her at the airport.. which means, to him, she did not care for him enough. So he would give her more space. From QS's end, she only chased after him to the airport when she got to know from her parents about what YH feels for her and why he divorced her (again, she already knows what he feels about her.. he made it clear when he asked for the divorce). So, who's to be blamed here?
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
Again, YH was confused about the situation when he made the bad move.
Yes, QS made it clear to YH that she would not go back to her ex. But the way she conveyed it was like, "I'm married to you, of course I wouldn't get back with him. That would be an affair. We Qins never divorce." All the talk about her assuring to YH that she would never get back her ex is actually not at all assuring. Basically she was saying to YH that if they were not married, then she can't tell for sure. Maybe she would be dating her ex again.. even marry him.
This is not about YH's jealousy anymore. It's his knowledge that he is tying QS by marriage, which is probably restricting her feelings for her ex. That was the reason he divorced her. It's the only way for QS to figure out her feelings for ex and YH.
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
YH did make it clear to QS before their divorce that YY was his ex and they had no feelings for each other.
After the divorce and his interactions with his ex, how would you have YH make it clear to QS that he had no romantic entanglement with his ex anymore when he wasn't even aware of QS's misunderstanding about him and his ex? It was all in QS's mind.. and he didn't know about it until the last episode? He was even confused about this situation at this point. They are already divorced at this point and are giving each other SPACE to sort out their feelings. Space means not bothering each other for a while.
With regards to YH conveying his feelings for QS, I would argue that his drunken confession holds a lot of weight. And he also confessed a few times that he likes her.. Yes, QS confirmed that they are a relationship first, but the one who made the move was definitely YH. He was the one who confessed. But confirming that they are in a relationship does not equate to QS confirming her feelings for him.
And indeed, as a viewer, there is a huge difference between QS/TJH interactions and YH/YY interactions. QS/TJH still have some lingering feelings between them (given that their break-up was not clean, it is understandable). While QS did not reciprocate them, TJH was pestering her. He wants her back while he was in a relationship with another woman.. He's even engaged!!! She herself is married!!! That is a huge red flag right there.!!! I'm not saying she should give up her job to stay away from him, but she should've found ways to stay away from him.. And she can if she wants to, but I didn't see any efforts.
So saying that their work is the reason why she is still entangled with her ex is a moot point here. That ex is still in love with her.. trying to pursue her again, while he's engaged to another woman and she's married to another man. That's not a normal "only work" relationship.
While in YH/YY interactions, there are no romantic feelings between them at all, not one bit. Just two old friends supporting each other. They are the most pure ones here, but just because QS has been overthinking about their entanglement... and YH doesn't know about QS's thoughts,..while they were divorced and not seeing each other. Yes, let's blame YH for this.
It's been a while since I watched this show and I may have some things wrong.
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
It's actually funny to see all these comments against YH for his one (and only) bad move, in the last episode.. people are forgetting that YH has always been on the losing end in this relationship. Never getting answer he needs to hear from QS to feel secure.
For once you see QS feeling flustered and jealous and lost, and everyone's angry about the situation? YH has been in this situation for a big part of the show, where is the outrage?
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.strange how…
I think the most important thing here is, at this point, who made their intentions clear in their relationship. YH made it crystal clear to QS many times that he is deeply in love with her. To the point that QS was almost able to reciprocate his feelings, despite having trust issues. She just wasn't able to communicate these feelings. YH has always been the one who vocalised his romantic feelings to QS. I think she should know better whom he loves.
The last few episodes, QS is the one who was overthinking things regarding YH and his ex. YH has no idea about it until the last episode.. so it is reasonable he is confused about this situation and went along with his ex's plan.. again, he is still confused about it at this point, and probably made a bad move. But that still does not cover the fact that YH was always the one who voiced out his romantic feelings. One bad move from YH, compared to many bad moves from QS. Double standard?
QS on the other hand had always felt secure knowing he was there loving her. But still chose to work with her ex, hurting her husband's feelings in the process. It doesn't matter how much she assures YH that there is nothing there between her and her ex. The fact is that YH knows that there is some unfinished business between QS and her ex. And it also doesn't help that she never confessed her feelings to YH. YH, rightfully, should feel insecure. So he put out the divorce idea. Once they divorced, he gave her space to sort out her feelings. I think he is just protecting himself when he did that . He did not contact her during this period, was giving her space, and also protecting himself. I think he deserves that space himself. He put the ball in QS court.
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/dragons-flies-phoenix-dances/
So this series is basically adapting two novels lol.
Yes, in the series adaptation, they have changed it because of the Chinese censorship, sadly. And as they changed this Transmigration plot into a Twin story, then I feel I, and even Ji Man, cannot forgive the ML for what he did to Nie Sang Yu, no matter how much he changed.
In the novel, Ji Man transmigrated into a Cannon Fodder Supporting Female Character, Nie Sang Yu, in a novel she read. So ML, as per Chinese dramas and novels "ML standards", really despises this cannon fodder for harming the novel FL and so he pushes her to the point of suicide. Don't the demographic audience like this kind of ML who only loves his FL and is despising of other female characters who come between him and FL?
So yeah, that's the ML we have. And Ji Man just happened to transmigrate into one of those women who was despised by the ML. His character setting is like that.
So, with the changes in the series, I can see why ML looks like a complete jerk. I'm not watching this series. I do encourage you to read the novel though. It is so much fun.
Don't worry that ML has concubines and he frequents them a lot. Cause, Ji Man doesn't like him and really does not give a care that he does that for most of the novel. Only in the last 3rd of the novel, after a very well written character development (from a scumbag to a person who only loves Ji Man) from ML.. and a lot of chasing, does Ji Man reciprocate his feelings.
From Road Home author the following series came to be:
Go Go Squid!
DT Appledog's Time
One and Only
Forever and Ever
All of them happy endings.. and so is Road Home.
Here we have a ML who is like a typical FL you see in Chinese dramas. He only loves FL and rejects all other women.. but he is very polite in his rejections.. so not like the the other MLs we come across in Chinese dramas or novels.
He feels so real. Even the FL in this novel feels very real.
FL is very insecure of ML's attitude towards women around him, and she has a very good reason for it too. Her ex bf cheated on her.. and she also had to go through an abortion because of it (Yes, neither ML and FL here are pure virgins!!).
So, ML's ex comes back and tries to get back with him. He politely rejects her, of course. His ex then changes tactics and tries to appear in front of him (seemingly with no other intentions.. "coincidences").. him being a gentleman does not mind it. Because to him, he already rejected her and she gave up on him.
I really liked .. no LOVED this novel, and the ML too.. but of course, there are lot of people reviewing this novel did not like the ML.
The FL in this novel is one of favorite characters ever. Totally loved her. Give it a chance if you guys are up to it.
Going by the title -
Arrogant = FL
Passionate = ML
Just imagine there is a drama - where ML and FL are married. ML's ex comes back and she is now ML's co-worker. ML is also in a situation where he cannot change jobs, because reasons. ML's ex is constantly trying to get him back and making moves on him. But ML is doing nothing to get away from his ex (but he is clear he does not like her.. and explains to FL about same..) and instead taking her help to sort out his problems.
I would like to ask everyone here, do you think you can like this kind of ML? Even if you like this ML, would you say no one else would mind this kind of ML? There would be an outrage on social media, calling him the worst ML ever. Do you no think so?
And I understand the point mooc is making here - Yes, the MLs is Chinese dramas and novels are basically character you do not see in real life.
The MLs I am taking about are of course the ones who do not care about any other females apart from FL. He's cold and even ruthless to other females but is so warm only to the FL. I would say, even if this kind of person exists in real life, I would suggest he consult a psychiatrist. He's got some problems always having this cold face and being ruthless to other women that are not FL. I would also suggest this FL to stay away from this person, as no one could not guarantee he would be the same way to FL once their love wears off or something.
But, to YH, QS also has no romantic feeling for him too. She is only in this marriage because she would never divorce, never cheat, never remarry. And when he asked her if she would go back to her ex, her answer was "I am married to you. I would never cheat."
That isn't assuring at all. If only should could be more open about her feelings.
Again, it was a bad move, and I acknowledge that. But that's a man desperate to know what his beloved thinks of him. So he made that move. So I understand him.
And what you are saying sounds like QS is using her ex's feelings for her to get cases , which is also not a good look.
QS knows what YH feels about her. She also knows he does not love his ex, because the woman he loves is her, QS. He let her know that before. Even when they divorced, he let her know what he feels. That he stands by his promises. She also acknowledged that if she had responded to his feelings then, they would be fine and did not have to go through the divorce. It's her indecisive actions that lead to all this.
Whatever YH did after is not his fault.. He didn't have to defend himself when he is clear to himself, and even QS, that the one he loves is QS. The fact that QS came to love him is because she believes he loves her too. Then why all the drama?
YH did reveal his feelings. Drunken confession aside, when YH brought up the divorce, he confirmed his feelings again. Yes, he did not say "I Love you", but what he said to her confirms that he loves her and more. In my view, his words are more powerful than simple "I love you".
All QS had to was to respond to them and they would not need to go through all these misunderstandings. But she never did. Until the last scene, that is also because YH came back, did she reveal her feelings for him.
QS also acknowledged to herself that she indeed loves YH, right after they got their divorce certificate, she did so in her car.
YH put the ball in QS's court when he divorced her. To him, QS was only in this marriage because they are married and she would never divorce. To him, QS would never get back with her ex because she is married and would never divorce nor would she cheat on her husband. He doesn't know that it's because she loves him and wants to be with him. She never let him know that.
So YH divorced her, let her sort her own feelings for her ex or for him. If she goes back to her ex, then he would silently retreat. So yes, when he got to know that she has some misunderstanding about his relationship with his ex, he was confused. Then YY gave him this bad plan, which he went through with.. bad plan/move as it may be, this is the fastest way for him to know what QS feels for him. I can understand why he went through with it. I can empathize with him.
If she chases after him to the airport, then he would know that QS loves him.. the misunderstandings between them would be resolved there at the airport when QS sees the situation for herself. Alas, he didn't see her at the airport.. which means, to him, she did not care for him enough. So he would give her more space.
From QS's end, she only chased after him to the airport when she got to know from her parents about what YH feels for her and why he divorced her (again, she already knows what he feels about her.. he made it clear when he asked for the divorce).
So, who's to be blamed here?
Yes, QS made it clear to YH that she would not go back to her ex. But the way she conveyed it was like, "I'm married to you, of course I wouldn't get back with him. That would be an affair. We Qins never divorce." All the talk about her assuring to YH that she would never get back her ex is actually not at all assuring. Basically she was saying to YH that if they were not married, then she can't tell for sure. Maybe she would be dating her ex again.. even marry him.
This is not about YH's jealousy anymore. It's his knowledge that he is tying QS by marriage, which is probably restricting her feelings for her ex. That was the reason he divorced her. It's the only way for QS to figure out her feelings for ex and YH.
After the divorce and his interactions with his ex, how would you have YH make it clear to QS that he had no romantic entanglement with his ex anymore when he wasn't even aware of QS's misunderstanding about him and his ex? It was all in QS's mind.. and he didn't know about it until the last episode? He was even confused about this situation at this point.
They are already divorced at this point and are giving each other SPACE to sort out their feelings. Space means not bothering each other for a while.
With regards to YH conveying his feelings for QS, I would argue that his drunken confession holds a lot of weight. And he also confessed a few times that he likes her..
Yes, QS confirmed that they are a relationship first, but the one who made the move was definitely YH. He was the one who confessed. But confirming that they are in a relationship does not equate to QS confirming her feelings for him.
And indeed, as a viewer, there is a huge difference between QS/TJH interactions and YH/YY interactions.
QS/TJH still have some lingering feelings between them (given that their break-up was not clean, it is understandable). While QS did not reciprocate them, TJH was pestering her. He wants her back while he was in a relationship with another woman.. He's even engaged!!! She herself is married!!! That is a huge red flag right there.!!! I'm not saying she should give up her job to stay away from him, but she should've found ways to stay away from him.. And she can if she wants to, but I didn't see any efforts.
So saying that their work is the reason why she is still entangled with her ex is a moot point here. That ex is still in love with her.. trying to pursue her again, while he's engaged to another woman and she's married to another man. That's not a normal "only work" relationship.
While in YH/YY interactions, there are no romantic feelings between them at all, not one bit. Just two old friends supporting each other. They are the most pure ones here, but just because QS has been overthinking about their entanglement... and YH doesn't know about QS's thoughts,..while they were divorced and not seeing each other. Yes, let's blame YH for this.
It's been a while since I watched this show and I may have some things wrong.
For once you see QS feeling flustered and jealous and lost, and everyone's angry about the situation? YH has been in this situation for a big part of the show, where is the outrage?
The last few episodes, QS is the one who was overthinking things regarding YH and his ex. YH has no idea about it until the last episode.. so it is reasonable he is confused about this situation and went along with his ex's plan.. again, he is still confused about it at this point, and probably made a bad move. But that still does not cover the fact that YH was always the one who voiced out his romantic feelings. One bad move from YH, compared to many bad moves from QS. Double standard?
QS on the other hand had always felt secure knowing he was there loving her. But still chose to work with her ex, hurting her husband's feelings in the process. It doesn't matter how much she assures YH that there is nothing there between her and her ex. The fact is that YH knows that there is some unfinished business between QS and her ex. And it also doesn't help that she never confessed her feelings to YH. YH, rightfully, should feel insecure. So he put out the divorce idea. Once they divorced, he gave her space to sort out her feelings. I think he is just protecting himself when he did that . He did not contact her during this period, was giving her space, and also protecting himself. I think he deserves that space himself. He put the ball in QS court.