As promising as the storyline was, the film still fell flat for me. What I did find interesting about this film,…
Varying opinions from different perspectives is appreciated. In depth explainations for liking or not liking something are appreciated. It helps a person to better decide their personal time allotment. Some people don't have 2-3 hours to waste on something that they won't enjoy in the long run. It's why critics have a job. It's why people join sites like mydramalist. I appreciate something more than: "It was good" or "It was funny" or "I did not like it" or "it was boring". For me, the in depth reasoning helps me decide even better because your reasoning for not wanting to see movie may, in turn, end up being a reason I want to see it. Or vice versa, the reasoning I may completely agree with and decide to skip the movie.
It's very, very puzzling especially considering how serious their censorship is in relationship to brandishing a weapon, drinking alcohol, or smoking. I'm not sure the message they are trying to convey but it's kind of hypocritical to try to come across as concerned about humanity then have no concern over portraying abuse to a woman.
This kind of storyline would no longer play in Hollywood specifically because of the new laws put in place since 2014. It's no longer: you must stop if the woman says, "no", BUT that you must actually get full and complete consent from the female to touch her at all. So, even if she was moaning and groaning that made you, as a guy, think she was in to it and wanted you to continue, UNLESS she actually said, "yes, I want to do this", if later on she goes to the police and claims you raped her, in the state of California, in the United States, that would be 100% considered rape and you would be charged for it. So, in this day and age, I don't get how this is still a "thing" of interest.
I am under the impression that you can download the final episodes as well as encoded subs from doramax264 for the final episodes. I know people prefer to watch it streaming and not have to do a bunch of complicated stuff but it's actually pretty easy and I've never had any problems from the site. If you have a vlc player it's a snap. 1. Make a file folder on your desktop. 2. Download the raw episode and unzip it in file folder. 3. Download encoding file and unzip it in file folder. 4 Rename only encoded file title to match the EXACT name of your episode but maintain the ext [whatever the 3 letters is after [.] ] 5. Start your VLC player and open the episode. The encoded subs will automatically appear.
Anyway, I won't watch this one. I watched Charly [1968] back when I was a child and it had a profoundly horrible affect on me emotionally. I hated that people felt they needed to change someone merely because they didn't represent their idea of perfection. I was so emotionally disturbed by the ending that I've avoided this story in any other way it's represented like the plague. I didn't really enjoy my heart being pulled out of my chest, at least not in this manner.
I'm really liking this but it's really nothing like the original story.
This is why the Autism Society needs National Autism Awareness Month, because people believe kids with this neurological [brain] disorder are making behavior choices on purpose and act bad in school or in public because they are either [bad kids] or have [bad parents] who do not raise them right. That all you have to do is [let him know his behavior is unacceptable] and he can just easily change. I guess that's my point.
People do things for a multitude of reasons... ...and if someone came up with a cure for ALS or Pancreatic Cancer or Heart Disease [all maladies that took both my parents from me at an early age], I wouldn't care 1 iota if the reasons for it were greed, fame, prestige, pride, or any other multitude of negative, selfish reasons. If the end result is that my parents would still be alive, I would have been fine with it. I don't need people to be pious in order to appreciate their help and achievements. If it helps humankind in general, I'm all for it.
...but that's just me... We just have different experiences and different ideas about life.
I'm really liking this but it's really nothing like the original story.
Read both comments above, and AGAIN, I fully understand and appreciate your sentiments but I think MY point is going over your head somehow. Let me try it this way:
You say he is abusive because he treats her like a doormat and he became a better person because she "stuck by him". What I'm saying is that isn't the case because his character is an anti-social autistic dude. They lack empathy as part of their behavioral condition and it isn't a choice. Nor is her naivety & stupidity a choice. These are traits handed to them by God to overcome. They do that TOGETHER. He never needed her to be an achiever, because he's a genius. He needed her to be more human as in empathetic. She never tells him to be this way, he does so naturally through his love for her. She gained self esteem and success because he guided her. A stupid person with low self esteem would say, no matter what, I cannot do these things. Even while she's training she wants to give up time and time again, but because of her love for him she pushes through. She becomes overly successful due to this relationship because otherwise she'd go with the guy who becomes her dad's successor chef and lives a life being a housewife to him and never accomplishing anything more than that. But based on what you're saying, her not achieving anything would be better because he cares about her and treats like a queen. YES, Naoki treats her poorly BUT it's no different than he treats everyone else, including his own family members, everyday of the week. AGAIN, it's not because he's a jerk... it's because he's anti-social to begin with... The fact that he is able to adjust and adapted is as much a miracle as her doing well academically.
....and it's because of these things, I will never agree with you that it's an abusive, humiliating relationship... They themselves never experience their relationship that way...
Although I'm really liking this version too but because it's so different than the original there's kind of no…
I'm really loving the discussions here about this drama. I feel like I'm in an English class forum discussing literature. lol... Honestly, that's what's so pleasant about this drama. We are wondering and pondering and discussing. It's interesting. We're actually interested in the writer's angle because the story arc isn't bad at all and the acting is well indeed.
They have confirmed they'll be doing a season 2 for this so they'll have to figure out all the ends and outs of how to make the connection between Tenten and Taliw work. I'm still interested in how they'll play it out but having watched ep. 11 & ep. 12, the dynamic is interesting and it's still working for me. I really hope they can keep this up. It would be another rendition of this story we can all appreciate if they can pull it off. I'm really pulling for the writers on this one.
I'm really liking this but it's really nothing like the original story.
[ In the real world, characters should build their own self-esteem, not rely on someone else to do it. What if that person ups and leaves? You should never be that dependent on anybody] ??? ....but.....
That's why he left to his own place when they go to university before he asked her to marry him, no? Do you not understand the timing? Why did he make that choice after a medical emergency? He had a comfortable life. He had no reason to put himself through suffering as well. It's also why he went to a far away place to do his military medical internship, no? So she could be more independent in case something ever happens to him and he wouldn't be there??? Right? He gives her motivation to improve her studies she cared little about until she liked him, no? He helped her where no one else was ever able, including her own father. That wasn't at the end, that was from the very start. [btw.. by your thinking there would be no need for teachers, spiritual advisors, mentors, leaders, or any other human interaction. In life, you are who you are by genetics, upbringing, culture, environment, and your experiences... a majority of which come from your social interactions. As a mother of 2 kids, I often tell people that I've learned more about life from raising my children than I have anywhere else. It's because of the relationship dynamics I'm forced into engaging in that have made me change and mature. It's a sad person who is all alone in the world forced to figure out how to live life well.. most of us develop an understanding of ourselves and improve our esteem through our everyday relationship challenges... it's the beautiful mystery of life.]
He became a better man, not because she believed in him, he is a genius, he could do whatever he wanted and succeed. He never lost a thing he attempted. He became more HUMAN because of his LOVE for her. Because he loved her he was forced into baffling situations that, as a genius, he would never willingly put himself into for any reason. All his decisions were centered around her and his love for her.
She didn't do things or not do things because she lacked self esteem, she did it because she was in love with him and wanted to be with him no matter what, period. It really didn't matter, she wasn't think past anything but that because she's just that naive and clueless. ...and as I said... At least her reasoning is pure of heart. There are storylines where the girl manipulates and does specific things to get a RICH guy so she can have the set life... and no one would call them a doormat. Golddiggers. Users. They're just making specific decisions on the type of relationship they want. It is just that she's so simpleminded that the only thing she wants out of life is to love the man she loves, and be with him for the rest of her life.
Although I'm really liking this version too but because it's so different than the original there's kind of no…
Interesting thing is that how Mike plays his part in Full House Thai version, he could have played TenTen just as cold and it worked for Mike/Aom couple because that's the standout performance that made these two an item. The producers of this have chosen a completely different direction, and I'll say it again, it doesn't make me dislike it, I'm actually enjoying it very much, mainly because of Mike/Aom. It's always in the back of my mind wondering if the Thai producers made a concerted decision, after reading previous reviews of other live versions, to opt taking the things people complained about then twist the plot to serve their desire, because that's so how it truly feels. It feels like they chose to have a TenTen that girls we're dying and asking for plus Mike just plays this character in this fashion so well. It's just not one you can claim as comparable to the others. The theme is the same by the plot is hella different.
I'm really liking this but it's really nothing like the original story.
How can you be clueless and lack self-esteem at the same time? There are those who really never got what Kaoru was portraying and the dynamic between them in her manga. The live versions have tried to hold true to her story arc.
Naoki is a genius... think of those genius savants. In modern terms you'd say that he is a genius with autistic attributes. He has socialization issues, but if you look past his cold exterior and pay attention to his actions, you see how much he loves her in that he wants her to become more intelligent, self-sufficient, and independent. He wants her to not have to rely on him. It's not abusive, it's tough love. He wants her to be his co-equal while all she really wants is to be a housewife. ..and how is that any different from a thousand dramas where the woman marries a man for his money?? In reality, he is more loving and considerate of her despite his lack of emotional skills. It's the thing that makes them such an endearing couple. They grow both mentally and emotionally because of their relationship not despite it.
She's not lacking in self-esteem. She does everything she can to measure up to him because she BELIEVES she's best with him. He loves her for her perseverance despite her lackings and failings. You cannot mistake naivety, ignorance, and low IQ for not having self-esteem. She's clueless that she should even have esteem at all, let alone pride, or embarrassment because she's just that dumb. ...and yes, there are people in the world who have a low IQ... and he married her despite that fact.
I wish people would give Naoki's character a little more slack and understanding because it feels he is always given the short in of the stick in reviews merely because people want to see a dude being cute and whispering sweet nothings even when it doesn't have an ounce to do with the plot of the story. The author had a point to make... and imho it was a really good one... and it's why the series is popular even though people bitch about her main male lead.
Although I'm really liking this version too but because it's so different than the original there's kind of no…
I think both of you make valid points. I've already said that you cannot watch the Thai version and compare it to the others which tried to stay as true to the manga as it could. Kaoru's manga is very specific. Also, the plot is jumbled up so the context of things are not the same. I am trying to figure out how they are going to keep the arc of his coldness going since they've already announced they will do a Season 2 for this version. Why would he need to continue to be cold to her after they get married? I'm very interested how they're going to portray that dynamic.
As it stands, the growth in TenTen is not Taliw-centric, which is a disappointment even with all the cuteness. The thing about the manga that makes it work, and why for even those folks who bitch about Naoki's coldness in the live versions still watch it endearingly, is that these two help each other grow both mentally and emotionally. It's what makes up for how poorly we think he is treating her because we see how good he is for her and how much she does for him. It's a mutual relationship. If he only took, took, took, no one would like ANY of the versions. So.... without that part of the story arc, it's a mystery why he cares about her but can't show his emotions. In the Thai version he loves her but he doesn't need her to learn how to make friends, be kinder to his family, or get insight into being a doctor. He's getting that from all around him not just Taliw. So... I'm worried I'm going to get annoyed with him if he treats her like a child and not a co-equal while he doesn't have the emotional hang-ups that Naoki had. If we can see his love and emotions and you say everyone else isn't as clueless, then he's not really emotional constipated as his character is supposed to be. His character displays more of a shy, reserved guy... and once you're married there's no shyness needed. ...interesting indeed... I still like the series despite my misgivings on the plot development.....
The beginning of this drama was good but in the last 8 episodes it really dragged and all the other actors but the leads got most of the storyline. I wasn't as interested in their interactions and it forced me to ffwd through a lot. It was also annoying that 75% of the men in this series were essentially gay. Not just gay but overly gay in an annoying, cliche way, especially in the last 2 episodes. It totally ruined the vibe and I couldn't stand the cackling laughs. This is coming from someone with family members who are gay. That aspect of it didn't lend anything to the story after a certain point as things become revealed.
I really was surprised at how bad Ki Tae Young acted in this series. I read that Eugene's current drama coupling doesn't have chemistry either. I think her co-actor looks similar to Tae Young, so that doesn't help. They seem to have lost the ability to get into character after the birth of their child. Anyway, Da Som & Soo Young were probably the best actors in this, the rest did such a poor job getting into character that they felt like actors acting instead. It felt like an old drama from 2006-07 instead of one produced in 2015. Go watch an old drama then watch the ep1-2 of this and you'll understand my drift. I ffwd'ed through 70% of it. Glad I waited until it was completed so I could do that.
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Thank you for helping me make my decision.
This kind of storyline would no longer play in Hollywood specifically because of the new laws put in place since 2014. It's no longer: you must stop if the woman says, "no", BUT that you must actually get full and complete consent from the female to touch her at all. So, even if she was moaning and groaning that made you, as a guy, think she was in to it and wanted you to continue, UNLESS she actually said, "yes, I want to do this", if later on she goes to the police and claims you raped her, in the state of California, in the United States, that would be 100% considered rape and you would be charged for it. So, in this day and age, I don't get how this is still a "thing" of interest.
Anyway, I won't watch this one. I watched Charly [1968] back when I was a child and it had a profoundly horrible affect on me emotionally. I hated that people felt they needed to change someone merely because they didn't represent their idea of perfection. I was so emotionally disturbed by the ending that I've avoided this story in any other way it's represented like the plague. I didn't really enjoy my heart being pulled out of my chest, at least not in this manner.
People do things for a multitude of reasons... ...and if someone came up with a cure for ALS or Pancreatic Cancer or Heart Disease [all maladies that took both my parents from me at an early age], I wouldn't care 1 iota if the reasons for it were greed, fame, prestige, pride, or any other multitude of negative, selfish reasons. If the end result is that my parents would still be alive, I would have been fine with it. I don't need people to be pious in order to appreciate their help and achievements. If it helps humankind in general, I'm all for it.
...but that's just me... We just have different experiences and different ideas about life.
You say he is abusive because he treats her like a doormat and he became a better person because she "stuck by him". What I'm saying is that isn't the case because his character is an anti-social autistic dude. They lack empathy as part of their behavioral condition and it isn't a choice. Nor is her naivety & stupidity a choice. These are traits handed to them by God to overcome. They do that TOGETHER. He never needed her to be an achiever, because he's a genius. He needed her to be more human as in empathetic. She never tells him to be this way, he does so naturally through his love for her. She gained self esteem and success because he guided her. A stupid person with low self esteem would say, no matter what, I cannot do these things. Even while she's training she wants to give up time and time again, but because of her love for him she pushes through. She becomes overly successful due to this relationship because otherwise she'd go with the guy who becomes her dad's successor chef and lives a life being a housewife to him and never accomplishing anything more than that. But based on what you're saying, her not achieving anything would be better because he cares about her and treats like a queen. YES, Naoki treats her poorly BUT it's no different than he treats everyone else, including his own family members, everyday of the week. AGAIN, it's not because he's a jerk... it's because he's anti-social to begin with... The fact that he is able to adjust and adapted is as much a miracle as her doing well academically.
....and it's because of these things, I will never agree with you that it's an abusive, humiliating relationship... They themselves never experience their relationship that way...
They have confirmed they'll be doing a season 2 for this so they'll have to figure out all the ends and outs of how to make the connection between Tenten and Taliw work. I'm still interested in how they'll play it out but having watched ep. 11 & ep. 12, the dynamic is interesting and it's still working for me. I really hope they can keep this up. It would be another rendition of this story we can all appreciate if they can pull it off. I'm really pulling for the writers on this one.
That's why he left to his own place when they go to university before he asked her to marry him, no? Do you not understand the timing? Why did he make that choice after a medical emergency? He had a comfortable life. He had no reason to put himself through suffering as well. It's also why he went to a far away place to do his military medical internship, no? So she could be more independent in case something ever happens to him and he wouldn't be there??? Right? He gives her motivation to improve her studies she cared little about until she liked him, no? He helped her where no one else was ever able, including her own father. That wasn't at the end, that was from the very start. [btw.. by your thinking there would be no need for teachers, spiritual advisors, mentors, leaders, or any other human interaction. In life, you are who you are by genetics, upbringing, culture, environment, and your experiences... a majority of which come from your social interactions. As a mother of 2 kids, I often tell people that I've learned more about life from raising my children than I have anywhere else. It's because of the relationship dynamics I'm forced into engaging in that have made me change and mature. It's a sad person who is all alone in the world forced to figure out how to live life well.. most of us develop an understanding of ourselves and improve our esteem through our everyday relationship challenges... it's the beautiful mystery of life.]
He became a better man, not because she believed in him, he is a genius, he could do whatever he wanted and succeed. He never lost a thing he attempted. He became more HUMAN because of his LOVE for her. Because he loved her he was forced into baffling situations that, as a genius, he would never willingly put himself into for any reason. All his decisions were centered around her and his love for her.
She didn't do things or not do things because she lacked self esteem, she did it because she was in love with him and wanted to be with him no matter what, period. It really didn't matter, she wasn't think past anything but that because she's just that naive and clueless. ...and as I said... At least her reasoning is pure of heart. There are storylines where the girl manipulates and does specific things to get a RICH guy so she can have the set life... and no one would call them a doormat. Golddiggers. Users. They're just making specific decisions on the type of relationship they want. It is just that she's so simpleminded that the only thing she wants out of life is to love the man she loves, and be with him for the rest of her life.
Naoki is a genius... think of those genius savants. In modern terms you'd say that he is a genius with autistic attributes. He has socialization issues, but if you look past his cold exterior and pay attention to his actions, you see how much he loves her in that he wants her to become more intelligent, self-sufficient, and independent. He wants her to not have to rely on him. It's not abusive, it's tough love. He wants her to be his co-equal while all she really wants is to be a housewife. ..and how is that any different from a thousand dramas where the woman marries a man for his money?? In reality, he is more loving and considerate of her despite his lack of emotional skills. It's the thing that makes them such an endearing couple. They grow both mentally and emotionally because of their relationship not despite it.
She's not lacking in self-esteem. She does everything she can to measure up to him because she BELIEVES she's best with him. He loves her for her perseverance despite her lackings and failings. You cannot mistake naivety, ignorance, and low IQ for not having self-esteem. She's clueless that she should even have esteem at all, let alone pride, or embarrassment because she's just that dumb. ...and yes, there are people in the world who have a low IQ... and he married her despite that fact.
I wish people would give Naoki's character a little more slack and understanding because it feels he is always given the short in of the stick in reviews merely because people want to see a dude being cute and whispering sweet nothings even when it doesn't have an ounce to do with the plot of the story. The author had a point to make... and imho it was a really good one... and it's why the series is popular even though people bitch about her main male lead.
As it stands, the growth in TenTen is not Taliw-centric, which is a disappointment even with all the cuteness. The thing about the manga that makes it work, and why for even those folks who bitch about Naoki's coldness in the live versions still watch it endearingly, is that these two help each other grow both mentally and emotionally. It's what makes up for how poorly we think he is treating her because we see how good he is for her and how much she does for him. It's a mutual relationship. If he only took, took, took, no one would like ANY of the versions. So.... without that part of the story arc, it's a mystery why he cares about her but can't show his emotions. In the Thai version he loves her but he doesn't need her to learn how to make friends, be kinder to his family, or get insight into being a doctor. He's getting that from all around him not just Taliw. So... I'm worried I'm going to get annoyed with him if he treats her like a child and not a co-equal while he doesn't have the emotional hang-ups that Naoki had. If we can see his love and emotions and you say everyone else isn't as clueless, then he's not really emotional constipated as his character is supposed to be. His character displays more of a shy, reserved guy... and once you're married there's no shyness needed. ...interesting indeed... I still like the series despite my misgivings on the plot development.....