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I'm super confused...
It says ep 5 already aired, but it's not on GagaoLala nor Viki, so what it is???
Maybe it airs first on some japanese channel and later on international platforms? But then why not put the international air date???
I just want to watch the ep... ಥ_ಥ

The uncut version I think it airs the next day, so tomorrow

Yeah, but BL paradise is not official, their series are no lisenced, you're not contributing to the crew behind the series. At first I thought they might, seeing they have memberships levels, but then I saw they had KinnPorsche and no, iQiyi has the exclusive rights so yeah no.

(and hey, no shame on using pirate sites. Not everyone has the money to pay for 6213 streaming sites. I just pay VIP of GagaooLala and will be watching everything I can for the next month -holy sh*t i just realized it's 23th, fml- but when it ends I will not renew it)

It's on Viki and GagaooLala :)

Well, thank you for explain it.
I knew about drama specials but I didn't know they split it in parts for international versions, since it has been only a few years japanese dramas has been licensed internationally and I moved to other countries' media and I only watched j-doramas sporadically.

Just understand not everyone knows everything. Some have been away from the j-drama area lately, some just started to watch j-dramas and have no idea whatsoever, and some are just plain new in this asian media stuff.

Either way thank you for the explanation, I was very confused by the inconsistencies in the drama/sp/movie pages.

No plot? Maybe it just wasn’t what you expected or just wasn’t your cuppa tea, and hey that’s fair, but to say that…

The story it’s about the theory of monsters: are they born or made? Nature (the twins) versus nurture (the dentist). But with an added bonus: can you make a “normal” person a monster?
The message is that everyone has a piece of monster inside (all the people being fucking assholes who lack empathy and enjoy making others miserable), and yes, at least the murderers are being honest about it.
But with the right environment you can “awaken” that nature.

At the end the series it’s not about murders, it’s a social criticism?
If you wanted to watch a procedural drama with a murder case every episode this is definitely not it.

No no, I didn’t mean it for the dead (thankfully blurred) cats xD
I mean it as in the mood was so oppressive for me that it affected me after when I finished the episodes of the day, making me gloomy and disgusted (more than normal) of the human race.
Maybe I’m in a soft mental state rn, I have watched psychological horror before and never affected me like this. Well, maybe Old Boy, that movie was a masterpiece but oh god it left me feeling all disgusted for days.

You know when you have phases? Like sometimes you want to watch action, or fantasy or horror or romance? I guess I’m in a soft phase and this series wasn’t the most adequate for me in this moment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was truly a ride, masterfully done. With an ending that's open to interpretation.
But now I need to watch some cute animal videos to bleach my brain bc I feel incredibly dark after watching this. Not recommended for those who are not in a good mental state.
Cute and warm feeling videos here I go.

You were right!!! :D
At the end they ended tweaking the plot to make the 1st plot in this ep and it seems they will make the 2nd arc with the amnesia maybe in the next and last ep!!
I'm fairly sure they will ride the hype and make an special ep, so maybe the island arc of the movie will be included too.

But I'm so pleased they adapted that 1st arc so well in this ep!! I'm impressed!

Now that you say it, it makes sense….hmmmmm

Tbh I cannot decide what it would be best.
On one hand I REALLY want to watch those two arcs and I think they would be able to fit them in the last 2 ep. I dont like things rushed, but also don’t like things being dragged like you said.

Maybe a small second season of 5 ep? Thai are less strict with the length of their series…I don’t see them making a 16ep second season for 2 or 3 arcs. And considering the quality of cinematography, I can see them pulling the movie plot in an special ep or smt like that (Thailand with all its thousand tiny and paradisiac islands? Easy). Maybe a 5 ep season with the 2 arcs PLUS the movie?

Idk, I’m rambling at this point, sorry!

I need to know if anyone knows if this will have a second season for sure bc there's so much story yet (!!!!!!!!)

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I keep trying to map in my head the plot of the original japanese version and if I remember correctly season 1 ended with Tsukasa (Thyme) going to overseas to study/take the reins of the company? But they were like together. It was more like a "I need to do this, please wait for me" or smt like that.
I remember that Makino (Gorya) went to visit him and he acted like he didn't care about her?

I don't remember well, but what I do it's that there were 2 major points:
- Ren will step up
(remember when he said "If you treat her bad, I will not restrain myself", meaning he will be with Gorya)
- Tsukasa (Thyme) will have an accident and lose his memories of Makino (Gorya).
(I'm a sucker for this trope)
(The whole gang was in some sort of resort and they were trying to make Tsukasa remember. A girl he met at the hospital (I think) will be there and try to seduce him. At some point it was a snowstorm and Tsukasa and Makino ended stranded in some cabin and he regained his memories)

TDLR: All I know is that in the original story Gorya broke Thyme's heart, they got together, Thyme did some stupid sacrifice hero moment and Ren got REALLY mad, and lastly Thyme ended with amnesia and then it was Gorya's turn to "chase" after him.

And that it's IMPOSSIBLE to make in two episodes. There's too much story left .
If they want to tell all the story they HAVE to make a second season, even if it's shorter.
But idk if they don't even know if they can do a second season in the future, or if they're waiting to finish this one before they announce it.

On one hand I can see them trying to force into one episode the whole "I don't care about Gorya/Ren being pissed off", and in the last the whole amnesia thing.
But on the other hand it would be downright stupid to ignore the hype of the series and not do a second season and continue to recollect more golden eggs.

Thoughts????

Don't worry, you're not the only one confused.
Technically this is a series (if you go to viki you can see 4 ep).
Lately, when a BLs with short episodes ends, they merge all episodes and make a "movie".

That's all ok and good, but I don't understand why they edited the pages so only one of them exists for this story, other series have both.
Now this appears not as a series and neither as a movie, but as a special. I was going crazy looking for it in the main actor's page.

I get what you mean, but they didn't show us an explicit scene, we just saw the beggining and the after, just that. ( and the beggining was a lot of foreplay without hurry, so I doubt very much they went suddenly like "down bam bam")

Also, if confesing to White is something that Sean planed or at least thought about, I think the guy threw condoms and lube into his backpack just in case lol

One thing I really liked about this new unsaid rule of some bls of the past 2 years is that they broke the stereotypes of who is supposed to be top and bottom and how they should behave. Body mass/height, dominance and confidence (or lack of it) doesn't mean shit to sexual positions, so Sean could very much be the bottom one (in fact I can see him as a dominant bottom)
I like that they weren't specific with that with Sarawatine, Patpran and Seanwhite, implying that the mayority of real gay couples are very much verse.

(also I read not long ago that doctors -and gay doctors at that- discourage the notion you have to use enemas or invasive methods to clean yourself if you're going to have sex. It's ok to do it every once in a while if you want, but doing it constantly can fuck your intestinal flora. Just go to the bathroom 1 or 2 hours before, don't eat in a few hours and you good. Also: condoms)

Maybe the do a 3 Will Be Free????
Otherwise I have no idea.
Sometimes I think Gram likes Black but feel guilty for Eugene and that's why he tries to them be back together (that and bc he thinks that no way in hell Black would like him)
But then they show us those scenes of Gram staring at Eugene and, hey! It could be still as friends, but after making Namo being in love with Sean (I would swear just yesterday that were just friends and I was so happy with that) I don't know anything anymore.

"basic degree of decency to maintain in replying"
I really hate when people say "you need to relax" bc usually it's used in gaslightning and mansplaining contexts, but this is not that situation.

@KoreanLover94 only said "Jheez" and "why this sound like a negative post", they weren't rude or disrespectful. You made a ironic comment, they didn't get it, that's it. You were snappy and sarcastic, some would say straight rude, implying they were moronic and stupid.
I just told you that language barriers are a thing, not everyone has english as first language, so maybe that's why they didn't get the sarcasm.
Just take a breath, relax a little and try to not pay it whatever is troubling you on strangers on the internet. And I say this without irony or sarcasm or whatever, you seem on edge.

@YodaD thank you, I always mess it up with some verb conjugations, specially the irregulars. Languages, so damn tricky sometimes.

There's a lot of people here that don't have english as their first language, you should consider this, there the confusion.

Also, if these past years have teached us anything is that there's no limit to human stupidity. I'm barely surprised now when I see the news, I'm just tired.

I’m really confused….
The trailer looks like it has nothing to do with the summary…
Could someone tell me what is this about? Bc I haven’t seen a single pastry in the trailer and it seems it’s more about the Bakumatsu than anything else.

I’m confused too. If you meant the prologue of Romeo & Juliet, the name is “Two Households”. Also you could explain what you mean instead of replying you’re sorry they were confused.

The reason they killed Pil-do was bc he made her want to became 'human'.

There's a lot of symbolism around the concept of 'beach'.
- She went first with her father, in open daylight, public place, summer probably and it's a lovely sight. (human - light)
- Later she used to met Choi Mujin at the sea too, but it was near an industrial site with warehouses, at night and there's no sand, only rocks. (monster - night)

- Then Pil-do took her to another beach. It was at night but it was a proper beach with sand (she was a monster -night- but he was showing her that she could still go back to be human, that she wasn't a monster completely with no return -a proper beach with sand and with a safe place to rest). There, she transitioned and 'came back' tentatively as human, or at least she tried to (they decided to punish Mujin in their terms, by the law of humans -sending him to prison-; not by Mujin terms, the law of monsters -killing him-.

(Another thing to consider is that Mujin wanted to give her a perfect life far away from monsters: a dream house by the beach. But he never got to give it to her. At the end the one who took her to a beach with a tiny but cozy house the first chance he got, was Pil-do. And he took her there at her lowest moments, putting his life at risk; not like Mujin who let go the idea the moment he felt betrayed and she wasn't useful anymore)

They woke up to a beach under the sun, and she took a walk by herself ("can I be a human by myself and not only when I'm near Pil-do?"), and she decided she liked it and was ok with the change.

Then when the arrest order came to Mujin, he became enraged. Bc she choose to punish him by the rules of cops, not by the rules of his world (outright killing him face to face). He took that as a tremendous disrespect, like she was moving on and he didn't matter so much anymore to her (or maybe her father's death didn't matter so much anymore to her. Or maybe that he wasn't so important as DongHoon's killer. There's a lot of complicated feelings there).

I don't think he knew what Pil-do meant to her, as you can see his surprised and guilty reaction whe she told him. But he could see Pil-do was loyal to her, or at least was trying to help her. Also killing him in front of the police building and in broad daylight by HIMSELF was both to put a target on her back and to try to enrage her ("if you don't kill me personally, I will kill anyone around you no matter the place or time").
Mujin wanted to die, wanted to be punished for the death of DongHoon, but he only would accept it if it was by Sujin's hands.

I don't like they killed Pil-do, but narratively it makes sense. That's why also they killed him with a shot to the head -there's no doubt of his death, so no miraculous recovery. It was also a kind of mercy, he didn't die bleeding out painfully or full of fear in torture. No, it was sudden and his last moment with her was a happy one, hoping for a better future together.

What I don't know is what she's gonna do now. They gave us a kind of open ending, I suppose in case they chose to make a second season, but enough wrapped out it would be ok if they don't.

Another detail I kind of liked it was the thrid urn with ashes in the mausoleum. I do think it was of Mujin. She recognized the bond they had. The show never talked about her mother and the narrative implied a lot of things. Like Jiwoo was more important to DongHoon (her father) that her mother (like when she asked if he would change anything if he could time travel and he didn't even mention her mother, only her -and a lot of complicated gazes)

Mujin himself acknowledged that DongHoon had multiples chances to kill him and he couldn't bring himself to do it. He doesn't say it like he thinks DongHoon is weak (no one who goes undercover into a criminal ring and became a second is weak), but he realised that it was bc he meant so much to DongHoon. That was what was killing him. That was why he was grieving his death after so many years and have their photo in his desk, no matter DongHoon was a 'traitor'. That was why he looked so horrified and guilty when he heard Jinwoo's screams at the other side of the door: not only he killed the person most important to him in the heat of the moment, but he made her daughter -the person he treasured the most- witness his death and destroy her life. That's also why he left so much money at the funeral that she could grab of of the many envelopes, and one alone was 5 million wons.

These two had such deep bond it destroyed them both. And the fact the mother is never mentioned by any character, not even in passing, makes me think there was more to it than "brotherly love". Never acted upon probably, but these two loved each other. And Mujin realized it probably when he lost DongHoon. And DongHoon probably realized it when he couldn't kill Mujin no matter how many chances he got.

And their relationship is a mirror and a paralel to Sujin and Pil-do.

There, I rest my case lol :)

For those upset by the last episodes ('that' thing), here's my meta:

(Originally it was a response to a comment but it became too long and this way maybe more people would be able to read it, who knows)