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Seeing some comments about things that characters said and whether it was a poor translation or not. I watched about 22 episodes on Viki and then switched to a different site for the last 14 episodes. The subtitles on both were mostly good (with the odd error), but I felt like they didn't always capture the nuance or poetry of what was being said. It's not always the fault of bad subtitles -- some things are lost in translation and genuinely hard to capture. For me, this was particularly true for Li Xun's final two lines at the end of the drama. I found them beautiful and haunting. His second last line, "人生若只如初见" (rénshēng ruò zhǐ rú chū jiàn) comes from a famous Qing Dynasty poet some 350 years ago. And in the final line, the subtitles I saw do not reference a light carousel -- like the one Li Xun gave his sister that we see spinning in the final montage of flashbacks. Not that this does it any justice either, but what Li Xun says is, "If, when we die ... our lives truly play out like a light carousel ... the last person I'll likely see in this life ... is her."

Some thoughts on the subtitles and the final two lines of the drama below...

Agree, Jenny Zeng is great too! I loved Ren Di's band in the series. But the whole soundtrack is great. I thought Reset was well done too and interesting, but for me, it didn't pack the emotional punch that L&P did or the absolute joy I got from NLB.

Depends on what you are looking for. I thought it would be draggy too (almost no repetitive flashback scenes), but it wasn't at all, things got resolved efficiently and it had such a wonderful ending. Despite being 40 ep, I was sad to see it end. If you really need and expect non-stop romance to be the focal point or you are looking for heavy intrigue, you'll be disappointed though. What I loved about it was the strong women, the other relationships -- the sisterhood and brotherhood -- and the drama's ability to tell a great story about daily life (which normally sounds boring) and keep it interesting, without a bad or annoying characters.

I've watched a ton of dramas this year and quite a few of them were pretty good - a couple were even excellent - but very few left me in a show hole, let alone one this deep! I binged through L&P so fast and even at 36 episodes did not want it to end, even though I thought the ending was perfect and beautiful and packed such an emotional wallop. This is NOT a light, fluffy watch though, despite the title and poster mood. Zhao Zhiwei's performance in the last two episodes deserves special mention. With so many OSTs indistinguishable from one another, the absolutely fantastic soundtrack, particularly the tracks by A. Young, Chen Xueran, and Pu Shu, also needs to be highlighted. Among my favourite OSTs. This is one of the best Asian dramas I've ever watched and, along with New Life Begins, is also on of my list of best Asian series for 2022.

I'm already on ep30 and sad it's almost over! I completely agree with you - NLB and Lighter and Princess are definitely my top C dramas this year, and probably on my all time list.

oooh, I just started Lighter and Princess and really liking it so far!

Yes! I was hoping they would start their own firm together too.

The quality of this drama is not great (so-so execution, editing, too much filler, some really annoying characters, rushed ending), even though I actually personally enjoyed it in all its soapy mediocrity. I had some genuinely laugh-out-loud moments, and there were some great speeches about life/relationships/work by the ML/FL. I quite liked Xu Kai here -- I really love his character's vulnerability, and thought he did a great job conveying that. I didn't find him bland like others have (I found him super bland in FIYS though). I could not stand Wu Fei -- at first I kind of understood her misguided motivations, but I grew to really dislike her underhanded way of doing things, incompentency as a lawyer, and dependence on Daddy. Wang Zixuan was a great FL in Party A Who Lives Beside Me and even Gank Your Heart, but she almost did too good of a job playing a hateful character here that I will need a major cleanse to appreciate her as an FL again in future dramas, lol. I also really like Baby Zhang from her previous dramas too and would love to see her play an FL someday. Li Dai turned out to a great character and even though I was satisfied with where everyone ended up, I was kind of hoping her, the FL, and the ex-boyfriend would start their own law firm together and poach a few of the junior lawyers at the firm! If you want a wonderful drama with much better executed feminist theme, I highly recommend New Life Begins (set in a very fictionalized ancient China), which has one of the most perfect and satisfying endings I've ever seen for a C-drama.

I can't express how much I loved this drama. I absolutely adored all the relationships - the comraderie, the sisterhood, and the brotherhood. No repetitive filler flashbacks, no annoying or draggy plotlines and misunderstandings, no nonsensical and undeserving redemption plots for villains, and incredibly -- no butchered or rushed ending! The changes they made to the book in creating a fictional ancient China was brilliant, as it allowed them to be a lot more creative with the progressive themes and stories they wanted to explore. This series was a masterclass in how to tell a fresh, original, beautiful, and interesting story about daily life without being boring or relying on traditional, overused tropes. Definitely the best drama of the year for me, and one of my all-time favourite C-dramas. My only critique would be that I wished they weren't quite so over the top with the way Shangguan treated the 5th prince (as much as I loved both characters) and the OTP romance sometimes felt secondary to everything else - but "everything else" was genuinely perfect, down to the very final moment of the final episode. I was crying happy tears at how wonderfully everything unfolded to the very end.

Exactly! And that first scene with the 5th prince! He was so obnoxious with rating the potential marriage candidates and fixated and judgy about their looks, etc. And he turned out to be one of my favourites and just ridiculously adorkable. And Hao Jia totally gave me the vibe that she might be the typical good-turned-bad villain who could betray her friends in order to stay in the good graces of the 2nd prince, and instead, I loved her constant bravery and loyalty throughout.

It's so rare to come across a drama that keeps bucking all the traditional tropes, where the side couples and side characters are just as wonderful, entertaining, and compelling. I absolutely adore so many characters I never thought I could love when they were first introduced to the show.

THIS. SHOW. The way it portrays the incredible sisterhood between all the women and the relationship between the 3rd, 5th, 6th brothers, the way people grow and change (I was dying when Prince An got a taste of his own medicine), all the healthy relationships, the communication! EVERYTHING. Even it's portrayal of pregnancy blues, post-partum depression, and domestic abuse -- things that usually don't "exist" or get a half-episode treatment and it's done. They did a really good job showing abuse is not always physical, not always through yelling, and never just once. But it's ongoing, it's also the manipulation, "chastising", and gaslighting (HJ: "I don't like sour food." 2nd prince: "Yes you do."), etc. -- and often behind a serene, benevolent, yet threathening smile. It really shows how brutality can hide behind a smile. Anyway, this really deserves at least an 8.6+, not an 8.3, and I will be so sad when this show ends.

I was underwhelmed by him in FIYS, but I actually think he is quite good here. He conveys a lot with very subtle expressions and movements. (This is a C drama, so it would never be described/acknowledged this way, but I wondered (especially in the early episodes) if his character is possibly on the milder end of the autism disorder spectrum.)

I usually enjoy hanging out or lurking in the comments section when I'm watching a show, but I've *never* seen one for a drama with so much offensive name calling and just obnoxious rudeness. Obviously not most commenters, but it only takes a few to make this place extremely unpleasant. Anyway, be kinder to each other.

Not that I think she was necessarily rational about it, but I think it reflects how sensitive she is about marriage and divorce. Her father being twice-divorced/three-times married is clearly a sore point for her -- from her personal family experience, from a societal prejudices against divorced families standpoint, and as a career woman trying to get ahead. It also wasn't entirely clear *when* he even introduced her to his mother. Either way, it's also possible she knew how it would end, so she was cutting her losses. Again, not that I agree with the way she handled it (I would HATE not having closure!), but I can rationalize why *she* choose to handle it that way. Also, as much as we would like to think we are marrying the individual, not their family, the reality -- perhaps more so in some cultures than others -- is that family is often inextricable from the individual.

He is pissed for a few reasons. I think initially, it was because he never really got closure from their relationship because she basically left him without a word and didn't give him a chance to tell her that he didn't care about her family background. But now he is also bothered because he thinks she got married to Yang Hua right after they broke up two years ago (which was why he said in the locker room that women were fickle, and that for someone who was so against marriage, she went and got married right after breaking up). I suspect the timing of the marriage also makes him wonder if she cheated on him. That she also has a kid (that's 2.5 years old even!) appears to confirm that she was definitely cheating on him.

For everyone wondering what the ex said in Chinese, he said she was a "坚定的不婚主义者" -- literal translation would be "staunch no marriage activist", but basically he meant that she was someone who was staunchly against marriage.

I normally have absolutely zero tolerance for completely off-the-charts unreasonable parents obsessed with marriage/status/pedigree, etc. but for some reason, they're all hilarious here. I keep finding myself cackling at the rediculous exchanges and the way each party makes the best digs and tries to outwit each other. 😂

I really appreciate the way younger man-older woman K and C-dramas I've watched all tend to do a great job shining a harsh light on the realities of women in the workplace. While this is obviously a global issue, these dramas highlight the particular challenges in many parts of Asia, where there are fewer or no legal recourses for women, so companies don't even try to hide the discrimination, sexism, and misogyny.

It's also a mind blowing double standard to a) expect women to be married in order to move up the corporate ladder and b) be discriminated against if that same family "gets in the way" of their career. Successful women are expected to have it all AND do it all, whereas successful men may be expected to have it all, but they certainly are not expected to do it all when it comes to responsibilities at home.