LOLim sure after ep 15 we will see ml’s miraculous transformation into an angel 😇 🤣 and Fl reconsider…
The character of the FL is quite intriguing, especially her inner monologues. She's a self-aware protagonist who, so far, hasn't been intimidated or deceived by the ML’s passionate declarations of love. The dynamic between abuser and victim is portrayed rather well at this point. The FL has ambivalent feelings toward the ML, but she’s also bravely fighting against developing Stockholm syndrome. Meanwhile, the ML, true to his role as a manipulative abuser, is not only cruel but also occasionally tender and caring. We’ll see whether the screenwriter chooses to romanticize this toxic bond or allows the victim to ultimately triumph over her tormentor and break free from the cage the ML has trapped her in.
"That doesn’t mean we’d want to date someone like that — or even bump into them — in real life."😂 Speak…
When you say "Many women often choose those guys even if they're not aware they're doing it. Many are drawn to those men and then complain about why they're treated poorly. Meanwhile, you have the nice guy waiting in the friend zone", you're generalizing too—just like I did earlier—and you're not only speaking for yourself. I just draw a clear line between fiction and real life. What I expect from guys day to day is totally different from what I like in fictional characters. Toxic boys? Only on screen or in books. With this drama, I’m letting it pull me in—but just while I’m watching. To conclude, dramas can influence how we perceive romantic relationships in both positive and negative ways. That's why it's important to keep reminding yourself that this isn't real life—to stay safe.
All of this! I'm always surprised at the number of comments complaining on short dramas, from people who clearly…
Yes, this is something for fans of the genre. We know exactly what we’re getting, and we don’t want it to be anything else. The standard ingredients of this kind of drama are all here: forbidden love and dark desires (in this case, there’s erotic tension between “siblings”); elaborate torture scenes (like our FL being whipped with thorny roses by a princess insanely jealous over the ML); a game of appearances (who’s really in control, and who’s just pretending?); a play on imagination; and characters with the kind of strength we, the viewers, lack. This is no heartwarming tale—and it’s not meant to be taken too seriously, either. So far, it’s pretty good—at least for me.
A warning for the “innocent” and sensitive viewers: Many Chinese mini-series carry a heavy, almost claustrophobic, sadomasochistic vibe and follow a rather old-fashioned approach to portraying male-female relationships — and that’s precisely where their charm and emotional pull lie. You won’t find warm, empathetic characters here. Some viewers will find this alluring; others might be completely put off. The title Once Upon a Dream already hints at what we’re dealing with — unspoken, hidden, even shameful desires. Our “virtuous” female lead is having erotic dreams about the male lead. The cage scene (which was actually quite beautiful) can come off as romantic and tempting, but only because it unfolds safely on screen. To me, these kinds of dramas create a relatively safe space, even while exploring dangerous temptations and allowing for guilt-free fantasy. These obsessive, possessive male leads with their attractive faces are seductive because they’re fictional. That doesn’t mean we’d want to date someone like that — or even bump into them — in real life. That said, in this drama, the male lead doesn’t seem one-dimensional, and the female lead isn’t just a helpless victim either. Let’s see how the story unfolds — and who’s really hunting whom...
I guess though if he's begging to be forgiven and thinks he can just apologize and move on, then does he truly…
He could desperately try to earn her forgiveness, but still be unable to forgive himself for what he did to her. In the current situation, it’s she who’s practically begging for his apology. Either way, FL is at a disadvantage here. Honestly, I’d almost prefer if the couple broke up over some ridiculous misunderstanding rather than under such serious circumstances. Especially since he had already humiliated her before by unjustly firing her from the lab. I really don’t understand why a light-hearted comedy needs to resort to such extreme measures just to create conflict between the lovers.
So many other things happening and you're still going on about romance. Do you NEED romance in every drama?There…
The series seemed to have potential—not for a sweet romance, but for something darker and slightly twisted. There were hints of this in the dialogue and scenes like the male lead traces his finger seductively over the female lead’s wounded back and pointedly warns her that he is no gentleman. It ends with the ML, after the marriage, dutifully serving tea to the woman like a devoted housewife, while she focuses almost entirely on building a female alliance and seeking revenge. Maybe some viewers are satisfied with how the plot developed, but I count myself among the disappointed ones.
I'm mad at the writers and pacing of the show. It's moving like a 40 episode drama instead of one that only has…
In The Double, the lead actors delivered much stronger performances. They managed to convey the depth of their emotions simply by looking at each other.
Apart from her saying yes to her mother when she asked if she has feelings for him and him confessing he cares…
I think that the writer intended this to be a romance, but one of the last-minute variety. A similar thing happened in The Double. For several episodes, the main couple slowly but steadily develops their feelings for each other, and eventually, there’s a love confession and union. However, while The Double managed to make the romantic relationship feel completely believable, thanks in part to the excellent performances of the leads, here something didn’t work, judging by most viewers’ reactions. Some people don’t even want a happy ending anymore. For me, their marriage will probably remain a marriage of convenience until the end of the series—a kind of mutual exchange of favors. The writer portrays women in a modern way, but when it comes to love, he turned out to be a traditionalist. He deprived us of romantic moments. It seems that the love confession will happen in the 27th episode, but for me, it’s already too late.
This is an ongoing drama. The audience has the rights to flip according to the next successive episodes. NONE…
I value your nuanced perspective; it made me reflect. And thank you for being willing to share such a different point of view. It seems to me that you’re simply a deeply engaged viewer of this drama. However, I admit that I remain a more shallow viewer here and don’t feel emotionally connected to the FL character. I watch Chinese costume dramas mainly because I want to “take refuge in not thinking.” I started this series hoping for a romance that would be “passionate” by Chinese standards. There’s a lack of romantic excitement in my life, so I look for it on the screen. My hopes were disappointed, which probably also affects my more negative attitude toward the characters in this drama.
This is an ongoing drama. The audience has the rights to flip according to the next successive episodes. NONE…
Maybe, however, we should allow others to express their own feelings and freely interpret the motivations and behavior of the characters. For some, the heroine will be a clear-cut villain, while for others, a complex personality. There is no single correct interpretation of a fictional series. When it comes to art, there is no absolute truth. Your observations are interesting. However, some people don’t feel the need to analyze everything in detail and are simply looking for enjoyable entertainment, not psychological depth. I enjoy reading the discussions here because viewers’ opinions and interpretations are so diverse. To me, the FL is too unwavering, almost caricature-like in her impulsiveness and exaggeration. However, I understand that someone else might perceive her entirely differently and see something completely different in her. I just don’t understand why anyone would try so hard to prove others wrong. Such fierce defense of fictional characters is beyond me. But that’s just my humble opinion.
But actually, what terrible thing did Ml do to her? He hides her crimes, saves her from torture, saves her friend,…
All of this, however, happened before he proposed to her. After the wedding, he keeps the promise he made to her. Besides, she consciously agreed to be a shield for his family. Not selflessly. I understand her distrust and caution. She will probably help him at some point and have her own heroic moment of saving his family. For now, though, he is the more devoted husband or at least her loyal ally.
But actually, what terrible thing did Ml do to her? He hides her crimes, saves her from torture, saves her friend,…
Yes, they are using each other, they have their own goals, but there is no balance between them. If it weren't for ML's interventions, our brave girl would have been dead long ago. For now, FL is benefiting more from this marriage than ML. He even serves her tea. His family is in even greater danger than before the wedding. And some people here seem to forget that we are talking about fictional characters. Therefore, there's no need to defend the FL character at all costs, as if someone were insulting someone's mother. It's just entertainment, and quite decent at that.
the comments saying hanyan was reckless and not being transparent about her motives have me a laughing a bit like…
But actually, what terrible thing did Ml do to her? He hides her crimes, saves her from torture, saves her friend, and risks his position for her. As far as I’m concerned, the only serious accusation you could make against Ml is that he doesn’t reveal the truth about his health condition.
Ep.21: this drama isn't about revenge or even romance. It's lessons in Feminism, which I would normally like but…
I also support women's liberation, but here this emancipatory narrative takes on an almost grotesque character. The screenwriter tries so hard to be a model, exemplary feminist that it simply becomes ridiculous. There's a lack of subtlety and moderation. He definitely overdid it and created overly one-dimensional, cartoonish female and male characters. Besides, only noblewomen can fight for their freedom here. Even today, having money and a high social position makes it easier to achieve independence. This is feminism, but only for the privileged.
After eps 23, this is the first drama that I don't like the FL. That selfish ruthlessness and arrogance. Hopefully,…
I doubt there will be any change in her character or even a slight softening of the FL. The screenwriter is determined to show us how strong, proud, and self-sufficient this character is. I’m afraid that any potential transformation might no longer be believable for the audience, considering how many episodes are left.
People may hate Yunxi for the roof tile scene I don’t care.. his eyes were full of tears when she said you want…
For me, that rooftop scene was just meant to show that the FL is equal to men, or even surpasses them in cunning. But we already know that perfectly well. Nothing new. I also don't quite understand her "revenge." Didn't she promise the ML before the wedding that she would consult with him on decisions affecting them both? She was also supposed to protect his family, yet at this point in the plot, she poses the greatest threat to his daughter and mother. He has more to lose than she does. She should understand him better, because for her friend, who is the only person close to her, she was also ready to do anything. So far, the ML hasn't let the FL down after the wedding.
Small spoilers but mainly spoiler tag for length and not exactly positive commentary on the current state of the…
I share these concerns. If it were 40 episodes, I wouldn't be complaining about the pacing and side plots. I doubt they'll manage to wrap it up neatly. Every episode is meant to show us how amazing and brave the FL is, but we already know that well. Because of that, her one-dimensional portrayal as an unyielding warrior is starting to irritate me a bit. I'd also like to see another side of her, perhaps a gentler one. FL's dream was to find her place, but because she constantly has to fight against the people around her, the writers never give her a moment of peace to deepen her relationships with her new family. FL always has to be alert and ready for the next heroic act. The plot is too dense, and it's starting to feel exhausting. In Blossom, the balance between intense events and the ordinary lives of the main characters was maintained better, and we had a similar number of episodes.
Meanwhile, the ML, true to his role as a manipulative abuser, is not only cruel but also occasionally tender and caring. We’ll see whether the screenwriter chooses to romanticize this toxic bond or allows the victim to ultimately triumph over her tormentor and break free from the cage the ML has trapped her in.
I just draw a clear line between fiction and real life. What I expect from guys day to day is totally different from what I like in fictional characters. Toxic boys? Only on screen or in books. With this drama, I’m letting it pull me in—but just while I’m watching.
To conclude, dramas can influence how we perceive romantic relationships in both positive and negative ways. That's why it's important to keep reminding yourself that this isn't real life—to stay safe.
Many Chinese mini-series carry a heavy, almost claustrophobic, sadomasochistic vibe and follow a rather old-fashioned approach to portraying male-female relationships — and that’s precisely where their charm and emotional pull lie. You won’t find warm, empathetic characters here. Some viewers will find this alluring; others might be completely put off.
The title Once Upon a Dream already hints at what we’re dealing with — unspoken, hidden, even shameful desires. Our “virtuous” female lead is having erotic dreams about the male lead. The cage scene (which was actually quite beautiful) can come off as romantic and tempting, but only because it unfolds safely on screen.
To me, these kinds of dramas create a relatively safe space, even while exploring dangerous temptations and allowing for guilt-free fantasy. These obsessive, possessive male leads with their attractive faces are seductive because they’re fictional. That doesn’t mean we’d want to date someone like that — or even bump into them — in real life.
That said, in this drama, the male lead doesn’t seem one-dimensional, and the female lead isn’t just a helpless victim either. Let’s see how the story unfolds — and who’s really hunting whom...
I watch Chinese costume dramas mainly because I want to “take refuge in not thinking.” I started this series hoping for a romance that would be “passionate” by Chinese standards. There’s a lack of romantic excitement in my life, so I look for it on the screen. My hopes were disappointed, which probably also affects my more negative attitude toward the characters in this drama.
I enjoy reading the discussions here because viewers’ opinions and interpretations are so diverse. To me, the FL is too unwavering, almost caricature-like in her impulsiveness and exaggeration. However, I understand that someone else might perceive her entirely differently and see something completely different in her. I just don’t understand why anyone would try so hard to prove others wrong. Such fierce defense of fictional characters is beyond me. But that’s just my humble opinion.
FL's dream was to find her place, but because she constantly has to fight against the people around her, the writers never give her a moment of peace to deepen her relationships with her new family. FL always has to be alert and ready for the next heroic act. The plot is too dense, and it's starting to feel exhausting.
In Blossom, the balance between intense events and the ordinary lives of the main characters was maintained better, and we had a similar number of episodes.