So, for ten episodes we had the weak Lee Tae -puppet King who was crying non stop . Then we had the smart King who had a weird plan to frame Queen Dowager, now some claim that he is the true tyrant . Seriously, are we watching the same show?
Let me pass the historic inconsistencies that are all over the place. So, a monk came and said to Queen Dowager that he is Lucifer Morningstar aka the Buddha Maitreya and he can give her her heart's desire. The Queen Dowager, along with the Chief Eunuch, that btw had no responsibility to be in her Palace by the Law, tortured innocents and killed them.
Also, Minister of War Cho slept like a baby in the Palace, while the Chief Eunuch had a killing list and killed several Court Subjects by saying they are traitors.
Tegeum Park was afraid for a tyrant King, while his ex lover Daebi Mama wanted to break down his Joseon. She became a tyrant herself, because she was power hungry. Noone told her to become a Regent or do what she did in the Palace. In case we forgot, Park killed hundreds in order not his King to become a tyrant, but at it seems he is just a patriot, who just killed some for his ideology. (sic)
Lady Cho in order to punish Ddong Geum for being loyal to Consort Park, along with Queen Dowager tried to make her confess a lie, when she didn't do it the Eunuchs tortured her to death. The same applied to Siwol, who died for believing in his King and his ideal world.
Even though, Lady Cho tried to kill the future Queen, she continues to spit her poison. One thing is true though, the King Lee Tae is always saving Consort Park. All the time.
So, in the end when Consort Park / Yoo Jung founds out the truth, she is shaken. Of course she would be. The King did what he had to do. I don't understand why Tegeum Park is a patriot, but a King who wants to take his power back is not? At the same time, Lee Tae always warned Yoo Jung that she shouldn't enter the Palace.
So, no mr Jakkanim I don't like the road you are hinting. If you want them to fall apart two episodes before the ending , it is too much for me.
I can't wait!!!!! The Chief Eunuch is so full of himself he didn't even look bothered or scared when Lady Park…
The Chief Eunuch has the killing list in his hands. His demise is near. Not only for the royal subjects he ordered to be killed on Daebi Mama's orders, but also for trying to kill the Pregnant Consort Park!
Lady Jo is next for being involved to QD's plans and having Ddong-Geum being killed. Along with them, her father should be punished for leaving unattended the Palace for Queen Dowager's killing spree. He is not that innocent himself. Tegum Park informed him that he should choose a side. Minister of War Jo chose to betray his King and duty, in order to save his pitiful daughter.
As for Queen Dowager who is hungry for power, for all those things she did to Consort Park and to the Court and its members, her punishment should be severe. Not just exile, she needs to swallow poison herself.
The monk hasn't been given much screen time until recent episodes and I'm sure the writer is going to go more…
Apology accepted. Don't erase your comment. It has good points. Yes, that is what the jakkanim wanted to do, but it failed on execution.
The thing is that the audience know who is the next villain. There is no element of surprise. At first everything pointed after Counsilor Park, Then, at Lady Jo and her Father. Afterwards, Queen Dowager became the new baddie.
The exact moment when the Queen became the new baddie is not with the garden incident as you said. It was way before that. It was when the Monk was introduced to us that very first time. The seed of doubt that was planted in their conversation about Park and what is her "desire". That plot device made her the new villainess.
The monk hasn't been given much screen time until recent episodes and I'm sure the writer is going to go more…
Dear feya_77,
Please don't patronize me by telling me this show is not for me. I wrote my thoughts, based on my studies and knowledge. Since you don't really know the person who you are talking to, please be careful with words like it is "complex for some viewers". For instance, I find complex to be Plato's philosophy about Ideal Forms, and not Bloody Heart!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, based on what they like, what they know, their cultural background, etc. Of course, we can have a conversation about it and we can still disagree, but that is the beauty of conversing with another human being.
This show has issues both on directing and script writing. It is okay if you like it, but that doesn't mean that the problems are not there. I am also not going to drop it, since I invested my time and energy to watch this because of Kang Han-Na and Lee Joon.
At the same time, I can say what I like and dislike about something, since I am backing up my thoughts, because what is what I have been taught to do.
The monk hasn't been given much screen time until recent episodes and I'm sure the writer is going to go more…
My frustration has to do with technical aspects of the script.
In the first part, the problem was with directing, but it was covered up by the beautiful and breathtaking cinematography plus the editing / montage.
In the second part that everything needs to be solved, we get to see more openly that the script has issues. There is not momentum. I don't see the curve. If you saw Episode 10, then you knew that this would happen in Episode 11.
Where is the element of surprise? I don't feel the climax coming smoothly. This is a heavy political sageuk and we have a "fantasy" plot twist that you know who is going to act and against whom.
I also don't like that Queen Dowager became a caricature - tyrant to be as well. So, in order this plot twist to make sense the audience wish Siwol to be ...the wicked monk? It is too obvious for my liking if they go that way.
I am also frustrated because I don't see performances from the actors and actresses, but that has to do with directing. I have commented on that one before...
So, a monk who is supposed to be the reincarnation of Buddha Maitreya is praying / cursing / scheming against a human being and I should accept this as a solid plot twist... No thank you...
All characters are gray here. Gye Won is also gray from start to finish (most likely). Set the show in times of…
Why should I take as true Park's words?
In case you have forgotten he was manipulating Queen Dowager for years.
It is okay to like him.
Strategically speaking, Lee Tae tried to find an ally in Jo Won Pyo. He has none, except his Eunuch.
His daughter is not worthy to be the Queen. The way she treats people is disgusting. She has no honor or dignity. She does not want even to learn the Palace protocol / etiquette .
She is abusing her servants, calling them animals.
No, I won't have sympathy for her, nor her Father. He protected his daughter and left Queen Dowager to go down by herself.
All characters are gray here. Gye Won is also gray from start to finish (most likely). Set the show in times of…
Grey characters are shady and tricky. We need to understand that, we - the audience - can understand them, but not white wash them.
All of them are wrong for what they did.
Park wanted to depose the Queen for his own agenda. They made her kill herself to save her son. The previous King was unable to save his Queen and let Park to blame his daughter in law's clan in order to save the officials. It was all said by Lady Park herself.
Who was right or wrong. It is crystal clear.
At least, Lee Tae saved his wife as he was taught by his Father and Mother.
Also, we are trying to decode what happened in another Era through our lenses who are from another time, i. e. Today. Historically speaking the comparison cannot be valid. We truly don't know how they lived their lives. We can have an idea if we have read History on that specific era of that specific Kingdom with their genealogies and customs.
While no one comments about it, the directing has issues. The first 8 episodes had no character development. Suddenly everything changes in the second half.
The jakkanim has made Lee Tae so lamentable as a king , that Lee Joon cannot do much to overcome this crying figure that cries in every single chance! This is something requested by the director!
The only character that is solid is Lady Park. Yes, she is a wise person, yes she should be the Ruler herself. Yes, she is very competent. I understand that. All we have...
Counsilor Park / Jang Hyuk has awakened, but I don't like that little by little his character became "grey". He killed innocent people. He is bad. They are trying to white wash him by telling us he is an idealist. Let us remember how many "idealists" did harm to the others around them...
It is okay to be amazed by the Cinematography / photography and montage / editing, but technically speaking there are issues with the script and the directing.
Let me pass the historic inconsistencies that are all over the place. So, a monk came and said to Queen Dowager that he is Lucifer Morningstar aka the Buddha Maitreya and he can give her her heart's desire. The Queen Dowager, along with the Chief Eunuch, that btw had no responsibility to be in her Palace by the Law, tortured innocents and killed them.
Also, Minister of War Cho slept like a baby in the Palace, while the Chief Eunuch had a killing list and killed several Court Subjects by saying they are traitors.
Tegeum Park was afraid for a tyrant King, while his ex lover Daebi Mama wanted to break down his Joseon. She became a tyrant herself, because she was power hungry. Noone told her to become a Regent or do what she did in the Palace.
In case we forgot, Park killed hundreds in order not his King to become a tyrant, but at it seems he is just a patriot, who just killed some for his ideology. (sic)
Lady Cho in order to punish Ddong Geum for being loyal to Consort Park, along with Queen Dowager tried to make her confess a lie, when she didn't do it the Eunuchs tortured her to death. The same applied to Siwol, who died for believing in his King and his ideal world.
Even though, Lady Cho tried to kill the future Queen, she continues to spit her poison.
One thing is true though, the King Lee Tae is always saving Consort Park. All the time.
So, in the end when Consort Park / Yoo Jung founds out the truth, she is shaken. Of course she would be. The King did what he had to do. I don't understand why Tegeum Park is a patriot, but a King who wants to take his power back is not? At the same time, Lee Tae always warned Yoo Jung that she shouldn't enter the Palace.
So, no mr Jakkanim I don't like the road you are hinting. If you want them to fall apart two episodes before the ending , it is too much for me.
Lady Jo is next for being involved to QD's plans and having Ddong-Geum being killed. Along with them, her father should be punished for leaving unattended the Palace for Queen Dowager's killing spree. He is not that innocent himself. Tegum Park informed him that he should choose a side. Minister of War Jo chose to betray his King and duty, in order to save his pitiful daughter.
As for Queen Dowager who is hungry for power, for all those things she did to Consort Park and to the Court and its members, her punishment should be severe. Not just exile, she needs to swallow poison herself.
So, just be patient.
Yes, that is what the jakkanim wanted to do, but it failed on execution.
The thing is that the audience know who is the next villain. There is no element of surprise. At first everything pointed after Counsilor Park, Then, at Lady Jo and her Father. Afterwards, Queen Dowager became the new baddie.
The exact moment when the Queen became the new baddie is not with the garden incident as you said. It was way before that. It was when the Monk was introduced to us that very first time. The seed of doubt that was planted in their conversation about Park and what is her "desire". That plot device made her the new villainess.
Please don't patronize me by telling me this show is not for me. I wrote my thoughts, based on my studies and knowledge. Since you don't really know the person who you are talking to, please be careful with words like it is "complex for some viewers". For instance, I find complex to be Plato's philosophy about Ideal Forms, and not Bloody Heart!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, based on what they like, what they know, their cultural background, etc. Of course, we can have a conversation about it and we can still disagree, but that is the beauty of conversing with another human being.
This show has issues both on directing and script writing. It is okay if you like it, but that doesn't mean that the problems are not there.
I am also not going to drop it, since I invested my time and energy to watch this because of Kang Han-Na and Lee Joon.
At the same time, I can say what I like and dislike about something, since I am backing up my thoughts, because what is what I have been taught to do.
In the first part, the problem was with directing, but it was covered up by the beautiful and breathtaking cinematography plus the editing / montage.
In the second part that everything needs to be solved, we get to see more openly that the script has issues. There is not momentum. I don't see the curve. If you saw Episode 10, then you knew that this would happen in Episode 11.
Where is the element of surprise? I don't feel the climax coming smoothly. This is a heavy political sageuk and we have a "fantasy" plot twist that you know who is going to act and against whom.
I also don't like that Queen Dowager became a caricature - tyrant to be as well. So, in order this plot twist to make sense the audience wish Siwol to be ...the wicked monk? It is too obvious for my liking if they go that way.
I am also frustrated because I don't see performances from the actors and actresses, but that has to do with directing. I have commented on that one before...
I am waiting to see the usage of the monk in the story...
In case you have forgotten he was manipulating Queen Dowager for years.
It is okay to like him.
Strategically speaking, Lee Tae tried to find an ally in Jo Won Pyo. He has none, except his Eunuch.
His daughter is not worthy to be the Queen. The way she treats people is disgusting. She has no honor or dignity. She does not want even to learn the Palace protocol / etiquette .
She is abusing her servants, calling them animals.
No, I won't have sympathy for her, nor her Father. He protected his daughter and left Queen Dowager to go down by herself.
They are all to blame...
All of them are wrong for what they did.
Park wanted to depose the Queen for his own agenda. They made her kill herself to save her son. The previous King was unable to save his Queen and let Park to blame his daughter in law's clan in order to save the officials. It was all said by Lady Park herself.
Who was right or wrong. It is crystal clear.
At least, Lee Tae saved his wife as he was taught by his Father and Mother.
Also, we are trying to decode what happened in another Era through our lenses who are from another time, i. e. Today.
Historically speaking the comparison cannot be valid. We truly don't know how they lived their lives. We can have an idea if we have read History on that specific era of that specific Kingdom with their genealogies and customs.
I understand his reason for the uprise, but not what he did afterwards...
What is truly their difference?
The one was a tyrant who killed hundreds and the other an official...
The jakkanim has made Lee Tae so lamentable as a king , that Lee Joon cannot do much to overcome this crying figure that cries in every single chance! This is something requested by the director!
The only character that is solid is Lady Park. Yes, she is a wise person, yes she should be the Ruler herself. Yes, she is very competent. I understand that. All we have...
Counsilor Park / Jang Hyuk has awakened, but I don't like that little by little his character became "grey". He killed innocent people. He is bad. They are trying to white wash him by telling us he is an idealist. Let us remember how many "idealists" did harm to the others around them...
It is okay to be amazed by the Cinematography / photography and montage / editing, but technically speaking there are issues with the script and the directing.
Lady Yoo is the MVP of the episode 8!