Ni-da

I am actually really glad to have come across this, with you. This is the sort of thing when im talking with someone in person or on IM that i'd really get into. I freak myself out a bit on here, and other comment boards (rather than forums) because...i am not a concise - speaker and i tend to take tangents, so i do sometimes have to find ways to condense my thoughts, and you are right in that it was far greater than the simplistic placeholder, i used. I am always up for this kinda chat. I have a LOT of thoughts on it. Just gotta find the right forum to GO OFF in.
And i wasnt throwing shade. I really would have written a treatise. What you said in X words, i'd have taken 5x more. Minimum!
Ty for coming back to me :)

I dont think you and i are disagreeing with one another here :) I just used "heternormativity" rather than write a treatise on the structures underpinning the misogyny, simply because it was a simple flascard for highlighting my issue with the language. It was a clunky placeholder (sorry!), if you will - as in: "Husband & Wife is a term historically used to denote a m/f married couple, therfore using the same terms in discussing m/m is a big problem, especially from a community build around m/m characters"

Homophobia and transphobia are rooted in misogyny (and other problematic constructs, but lets focus on this for a sec) - I know this.
When a show claiming allyship (however utterly performative and some BL really isnt looking to further queer anything, i also know this) or a fandom claiming allyship, continue to use easily modifiable language, which if they were to do so, would help be less offensive, and actually help the language used evolve as a result, but don't, I am going to get annoyed. I understand your points, (and there is huge discussion to be had on it) but it doesn't excuse it, imo.
We don't have to have smashed the patriarchy in order to not refer to a gay character by a term that exclusively denotes a woman. We can just be better.

You're gonna find that there is a whole seam of BL fans who get really invested in this idea of top/bottom or seme/uke. The tittering and "calling" it, drives me up the wall. The idea that personality or build somehow denotes a favoured sexual position...like what?

But I also understand why some of the community have this focus. And sometimes I need to remember to rein my annoyance in.

It's not so much the talking about it, but more the context in which it can happen:

Some folk were *very* upset at the idea Minato topped Tsuge (cherry magic) to the point where commenters said this made it "not believable"; and i've literally seen a ridiculous comment stream on a clip of a show/film where the two characters had been shown to flip. It was very obviously underlined that they were vers. The OP was uncomfortable with this reality and her and her followers denied the evidence infront of them until they'd changed what happened to a change of position, but not a change of top.

But my real bugbear? Using hetero language for queer relationships, and fuck Thai BL so hard for this. A meeker, smaller, potential bottom is not a "wife". Nor is a larger, stronger, more aggressive, potential top a "husband". And when i hear the immortal line: "who is the wife? 🤭" a bit of my soul dies. Every single time.

It's fluffy, but more mature-feeling than the endless school/college shows. It is incredibly well acted by the two main leads. It actually uses the word "gay" and it has a happy ace/aro character. It is ABSOLUTELY worth watching.

From the second Hira put Kiyoi's finger, not just in his mouth, but then licked him, and then put it back in his mouth, I was certain they (the showrunners) were gonna actually do the end justice. It didnt need an explicit scene, BUT it did need what we got to see - them together at the end, having accepted and embraced how important they are to each other.

They actually nailed that final episode. Nailed it.

It's gonna be fine. I promise! If someone sends you the end of the novel, please don't read it; if you've avoided spoilers up until now, please hold out! Enjoy the last ep next week. Did you see the ep6 trailer? It will help you!

There were certainly a few more grammatical errors than prev episodes. I wonder if it was a different subber this week?

Still, I am happy they get it done, and up, and it's fully sensical, and i'm not sure if they go back and modify in the hours/days after. I know VIKI do.

I was kinda hoping IrozukuSubs might have picked this up, but with it having an official international partner, I guess this was unlikely.

Just watched ep 5, and i'll say this: Hira is linear in his thinking. A social outcast his entire life, he takes his interactions with Kiyoi as they are. He isn't wrong to have not inferred Kiyoi's feelings, and its a bit unjust of Kiyoi to blame Hira for not understanding. The one moment that Hira questions if there might be more, he says it out loud: in ep 4, when Kiyoi asks Hira if he's dating Koyama and he thinks for a moment the answer might matter to Kiyoi, Kiyoi kicks him. The kid has nothing else to go on.

Kiyoi has been a fool - with reason certainly, he has super abandonment issues - and I think he's come to understand that Hira isn't ever going to understand how Kiyoi feels, until he's told.

Glad ep 6 is set up now for these two slighly damaged kids to properly find each other (and that the second lead is already shut down, I really hate final eps where this storyline is still ongoing, taking precious time away from the main couple resolution)

The thing about paying for Gagaoolala is that it helps fund new content and allows them the chance to license existing content from across the globe. They give opportunities to emergent film-makers/script-writers. Also, its so important to mention, that as part of a consortium, they were instrumental in the final push to get same-sex marriage legalised in Taiwan. That sub fee works
hard. I feel it's less about the BL industry and more about advancing /platforming LGBTQI+ narratives. They actually walk the walk.

Ive heard it's been licensed for Thailand. My feeling is if it ends up on Thai Netflix, it will have thai and eng subs options at that point.