My lasting impression of this film is that is rather homophobic. It was filmed in 2008 so probably Korean audiences…
Did you miss the implication that the king is impotent? Yes, he prefers males, but he also CAN'T have intercourse with his wife.
There is rarely true love present when one person has all the power and another is bound by duty to never say no. In that instance, it's irrelevant that they're both men. Hong Rim happened to be a heterosexual who was given to another before he ever had a chance to learn what his preferences were. He was essentially forced to fulfill the needs of another physically and emotionally and when he was presented with a taste of what his body-- not necessarily his heart-- craved, he was like a randy teenager acting on hormonal imperatives instead of good sense.
Sexuality is used as a means to tell the story, but it's basically irrelevant, just as it was in the story of King Arthur, Guinevere and Lancelot's love triangle that led to disaster for all 3, as well as the downfall of King Arthur's court.
By the bye, my take away from the movie is that while Hong Rim was strongly physically attracted to the Queen No Guk, he was also deeply in love with King Gong Min . That love, though, was problematic. due to their being an ever-present lopsided power dynamic. Hong Rim had never been allowed a real choice in the relationship. Yes, he did choose to join the king as a companion, but that occurred while he was a little boy and the king was a teenager. There's no way Hong Rim would have been cognizant of what that meant and by the time the relationship had shifted to something sexual, he would have been the king's companion for years and lacked an opportunity to learn what he real sexual preferences were. Despite how much he loved the King, it turned out his body preferred that of a woman's. This isn't an unusual dynamic, in any type of relationship. Husbands and wives cheat on each other all the time. Even as they genuinely love their partners, they can be drawn to others purely on an animalistic level and end up ruining their lives because they mistake strong sexual attraction for emotional and personality compatibility. The person they often destroy their happy marriages for rarely end up being good life partners for them.
For Hong Rim and King Gong Min, things spiraled WAY out of control. The King was heartbroken, as a man, and enraged as a king, so he went cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, punishing them all, lying about the Queen's death and eventually participating in what was essentially a double murder-suicide. Hong Rim was also heartbroken and lied to the King that he'd never loved him, because that's the only thing he had left that would devastate the king. At the end, though, when the Queen was dragged away and Hong Rim laid there dying, notice that Hong Rim turns away from watching the Queen being taken away and he turned his eyes, lovingly, toward the King. Why was that? It's because the king was always his true love and once he learned that the Queen and the child she carried for him were still alive, he was finally able to let go of his anger and the last thing he wanted to see was the person he loved.
You watched the movie, yet missed very key details. Maybe your need to judge outweighs your willingness to empathize, learn and discern?
“The masters of Nc scenes “ … I have seen much much better 😉 Boss’ acting in Nc scenes like in LITA…
Ah. I see that you have been pestering others, though you're not necessarily being rude, you are being unnecessarily badgering with your overzealous need to put down the work of Boss and Noeul. The young men are doing good work. Instead of popping onto others' comments that enjoy their work, can you not just let others have their opinions? Every comment doesn't require your negating response. Just move along and allow others to express their joy, yes?
Unpairing them wouldn’t be sad unless your are a delusional shipper lol Fixed pairing is a very bad idea. Actors…
"If you are in support of all these, and choose to make me the bad guy, thenbyou fall under the toxic stan category I commented about in my first comment,"
You're looking for fights where there are none. Nowhere in my comments to you would you have been provided valid reason to believe this of me, yet here you are making accusations. This is a sign of something not being quite well with you, but I do hope you're well, otherwise,
Unpairing them wouldn’t be sad unless your are a delusional shipper lol Fixed pairing is a very bad idea. Actors…
No, dear, I am not confused.
I haven't witnessed the bullying you're referring to, so I can't speak on it.
Regarding the "delusional shipper" accusation, yes, that was harsh, especially if it's legitimately not applicable to you; but, this is such a prevalent issue in the BL community that it's grown into a sickness that's eating the actors alive and will likely end up destroying the industry if it isn't brought under control. Outside of the Thai BL community, actors are encouraged to pair with multiple acting partners, as that's the best way to ensure their professional and personal growth. The way Thailand handles this is incredibly crippling to these young people and the fans who push for this continued practice are often emotionally unhealthy individuals who developed obsessive parasocial bonds with these pairings.
As for you claiming you haven't insulted anyone-- I suppose you're not able to discern that your manner of replying has crossed into the very type of discourse you're accusing KJTBOY of. Sometimes, I've fallen prey to this, myself. Whenever I begin to communicate in the same manner of those I dislike, that's when I know it's time for me to take a break from social media.
Unpairing them wouldn’t be sad unless your are a delusional shipper lol Fixed pairing is a very bad idea. Actors…
I agreed with most of what you wrote, except for "BossNoeul chemistry is not as strong as you described." They most definitely do have very strong chemistry, BUT if they're both good actors on their own, they can generate incredible chemistry with other actors, those who have the right intangibles traits that sync up well with them. Chemistry isn't something that is automatic. Two brilliant actors can have the chemistry of dry flour-- bland and awful to swallow. This is why chemistry screen tests are usually done as part of the final process to hiring actors for a projects. Each actor can do stellar auditions, but when paired together they're boring.
I admire you. I also tried to watch this series several times, I started and finished and started and finished…
My stubborn will to try and finish every book and series I begin led me to what was essentially self-induced torture. You were much better off tapping out at episode 5. 😅
good luck trying to find people who look like webtoon characters 🤣
I didn't respond merely to drop senseless words under your comment. My reply was in direct reference to what you wrote, offering a different perspective. Yes, it IS possible to get actors who look the part, but often those actors are rubbish at acting. Instead of focusing on superficial appearances, how about allowing the characters to be brought to life by the actors who are playing the parts?
Honestly, you're seemingly hyper-focused on humans matching cartoon appearances. Maybe nuance dialogs and perspectives don't interest you, which is fine.
Yes! Their drinking culture is absurd. I can't count how many series I've watched that depict the characters drinking until they can barely walk. It appears to be a national pastime to gorge on alcohol beyond the point of reason; yet, someone can lose their career for puffing on grass or treating depression with prescription drugs? What type of foolishness is that?
“It will be better for everyone if im not with him” why? Why would it? No explanation either. Bl logic nonsense…
I have other things to do with my life and I assume he does, as well. For me, the purpose of my life is far greater than a singular loved one and that purpose drives me forward without hesitation and with intense joy. I know, now, that despite how my choice came about, I ended up making the best decision for my life and I hope he has, as well.
can i watch the movie without watching the series ? will i miss anything?
They are essentially the same thing. The "movie" is basically the series re-edited, with some scenes removed that were in the series and a few added in that were missing from the series.
There is rarely true love present when one person has all the power and another is bound by duty to never say no. In that instance, it's irrelevant that they're both men. Hong Rim happened to be a heterosexual who was given to another before he ever had a chance to learn what his preferences were. He was essentially forced to fulfill the needs of another physically and emotionally and when he was presented with a taste of what his body-- not necessarily his heart-- craved, he was like a randy teenager acting on hormonal imperatives instead of good sense.
Sexuality is used as a means to tell the story, but it's basically irrelevant, just as it was in the story of King Arthur, Guinevere and Lancelot's love triangle that led to disaster for all 3, as well as the downfall of King Arthur's court.
By the bye, my take away from the movie is that while Hong Rim was strongly physically attracted to the Queen No Guk, he was also deeply in love with King Gong Min . That love, though, was problematic. due to their being an ever-present lopsided power dynamic. Hong Rim had never been allowed a real choice in the relationship. Yes, he did choose to join the king as a companion, but that occurred while he was a little boy and the king was a teenager. There's no way Hong Rim would have been cognizant of what that meant and by the time the relationship had shifted to something sexual, he would have been the king's companion for years and lacked an opportunity to learn what he real sexual preferences were. Despite how much he loved the King, it turned out his body preferred that of a woman's. This isn't an unusual dynamic, in any type of relationship. Husbands and wives cheat on each other all the time. Even as they genuinely love their partners, they can be drawn to others purely on an animalistic level and end up ruining their lives because they mistake strong sexual attraction for emotional and personality compatibility. The person they often destroy their happy marriages for rarely end up being good life partners for them.
For Hong Rim and King Gong Min, things spiraled WAY out of control. The King was heartbroken, as a man, and enraged as a king, so he went cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, punishing them all, lying about the Queen's death and eventually participating in what was essentially a double murder-suicide. Hong Rim was also heartbroken and lied to the King that he'd never loved him, because that's the only thing he had left that would devastate the king. At the end, though, when the Queen was dragged away and Hong Rim laid there dying, notice that Hong Rim turns away from watching the Queen being taken away and he turned his eyes, lovingly, toward the King. Why was that? It's because the king was always his true love and once he learned that the Queen and the child she carried for him were still alive, he was finally able to let go of his anger and the last thing he wanted to see was the person he loved.
You watched the movie, yet missed very key details. Maybe your need to judge outweighs your willingness to empathize, learn and discern?
You're looking for fights where there are none. Nowhere in my comments to you would you have been provided valid reason to believe this of me, yet here you are making accusations. This is a sign of something not being quite well with you, but I do hope you're well, otherwise,
Good day, child.
I haven't witnessed the bullying you're referring to, so I can't speak on it.
Regarding the "delusional shipper" accusation, yes, that was harsh, especially if it's legitimately not applicable to you; but, this is such a prevalent issue in the BL community that it's grown into a sickness that's eating the actors alive and will likely end up destroying the industry if it isn't brought under control. Outside of the Thai BL community, actors are encouraged to pair with multiple acting partners, as that's the best way to ensure their professional and personal growth. The way Thailand handles this is incredibly crippling to these young people and the fans who push for this continued practice are often emotionally unhealthy individuals who developed obsessive parasocial bonds with these pairings.
As for you claiming you haven't insulted anyone-- I suppose you're not able to discern that your manner of replying has crossed into the very type of discourse you're accusing KJTBOY of. Sometimes, I've fallen prey to this, myself. Whenever I begin to communicate in the same manner of those I dislike, that's when I know it's time for me to take a break from social media.
Honestly, you're seemingly hyper-focused on humans matching cartoon appearances. Maybe nuance dialogs and perspectives don't interest you, which is fine.
Ciao.