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Why is it that in every Asian drama jealousy is seen as a sign of love?

I am indifferent to cats, but I have to say the cat was the MVP for me.

The counter was set for 5 minutes and after more then 15 minutes, it still had 7 seconds left. WOW

Don't overthink it, it's just a nomination for best script among other kdrama scripts. I , personally, haven't found an above average script ( if you know one, feel free to tell me), as dramas in general (worldwide) are just pop music, rarely you will see one that breaks the norm.

Thank you for replying.

About your side note, is your insight from experience (you live/lived there) or is it from research? I am inclined on the second by reading the content, but I hope it's the first, as I would have another question then, which is kind of bothering me for some time now.

This drama seems to tackle in to some core issues of human relationships. Their romance was meant to show us how relative things are, the ML has good intentions but he is actually hurting her more. Even the SML and SFL thought they will be happy, once they were together, obviously it's never the case. In the end everyone cheats in some form, as physical intimacy is not the only form of cheating. And this is presented trough the stories of all characters, not just the leads or second leads. For me it's not clear if the FL and ML do have a breakthrough of understanding, as the last episodes are going in the direction of "let's be together and we will be happy" ........ no comment.
This drama was a hard one to pull through and they didn't, at least for me. Further, this type of subjects require a lot of personal life experience to be handled by the actors. The poor thing ML is clueless.
Overall it ended in the frustrating category for me, something that could have been non superficial and good, but actually fell short of target. That's why I am here over a month later to rate it.
So maybe a more laid back healing story to regain Trust, you mentioned, would have reached to more viewers.

Another drama with "Parasite" reference in it. Cool.

When part 2 was over, it even had a higher score, prompting me to write a comment back then, only to be slapped for such insolence. But the sieve of reason is slowly putting thing back to a more natural state.
They didn't think ahead, fell in to their on trap, got confused and got back to the same shity mannerism that every drama has to abide.
As you said, the first part wasn't flawless but something very simple made all the difference and that was; how the story was told. And since storytelling is the most archaic form of art, we cannot escape it.
We start with Naksu, we travel with her and it ends with her. Everything is in focus. Part 2 resembled the autofocus on a digital camera, constantly shifting and unable to take a picture. A lot of things were toned down( even production wise) in part 2. But if they kept the storytelling, it would have made a difference. Even if we would follow Janguk. Which I consider a better choice for part 2, since Naksu, because of the memory loss, loses that precious weak body/strong mind thing you mentioned.
Thumbs up, СРbNЈА

The trailer is misleading somehow, nothing is directed against the children. As for the physical violence, it plays it's role as a igniter at the beginning and the movie has enough drive, for not coming back to those scenes.

Every action meets a reaction, so if you are smart like the female character is portrayed, you go for the good old < divide and conquer >, but for that you have to be at 120% at least. Patience should always be a virtue.

Again, this is not about the drama or the review.
Using the established analogy, a song, besides melody and tone, has rhythm and beat. Now, how come this perceptive person, who can follow all, follows only parts of the song and ignoring the others when they are all visible, like: 'in your face' mode. Way to much visible for my taste.
Maybe if I start pointing some negative aspects of this drama, you will stop thinking that this is my jam and that I came to pick a fight with you about it.
Further more, I am not reviewing your review, it is just that your review overlaid over an 'all parts visible' drama, pointed out this aspect of only listening to just parts of a song. Even in your reply, you play with the melody and you keep ignoring the message. This means that I am not saying: you can do a better review and it means that you can do better, in having a more complete experience; in general, when you watch any drama (although this can be applied to almost anything)
So I didn't come to poke you, but to pull you and say: look the whole house is for you to use and not just some rooms. Even if those rooms are just your comfort zone (that is why I mentioned the 'escape mode')
It was a little sad to see that you are limiting yourself and I gave you an incentive to experience more and feel more rewarded. I don't see what is wrong with giving someone an incentive like this.
If you find this(incentive) abusive, just block me. I am sure this conversation has become annoying to you by now, so go ahead and block me.
P.S. I think the screenwriters are the weakest link in asian dramas, as I find their mannerism painful sometimes (even in this drama)

You are missing the point.
You are right, every opinion is subjective. Yet every subjective opinion is made through your objectiveness (your evaluation system). To confusing? Yes the system can be the subject of change in time, but it can not be paradoxical( I like apples, I don't like apples, at the same time). A collective of subjective opinions from different people can lead to something more objective. Further more, there is a difference between a subjective opinion and a biassed opinion and you being here for a fight, just proves how abusive the second one is. I am not trying to impose my opinion, nor do I have a problem with listening to another one. Forward> I can't stop people being biassed, but I can't be ignorant to biassed opinions, when I know how abusive they can be. So I share a opinion, to cast a different light, for those who are willing. Without expecting any praise and aware that I will encounter biassed people.
If you have nothing constructive to say, please don't say it.

First thing to clear out, I am not here to praise or disgrace this drama.
"I can't control where my review appears" This is how I came to comment in the first place, it was within reach. I wasn't trying to read reviews or even more comment on them. The review starts with this genre mixing concept, so this is what caught my attention. Occasionally, you see people trowing that in their reviews on dramas (in general and not this one in specific), but finding elements of specific genre doesn't make it to be that genre, or even part that genre. Music is a good example. When we evaluate things, we do this, we categorize them, but at the same time we know which is the shape and which is the background. That translates to a main narrative and a background narrative. And it is the background narrative role to keep the things in place and never be messy, just like the rhythm part is the backbone of a song. The genre elements in a plot line are just sparks, triggers for achieving something. Ironically, they actually spoke about this in the drama. But I have no intention to speak about this drama, I didn't share my likes or dislikes in my first comment about it and find it 'presumptuous' from you to think that I want to change your opinion. As I have no motive, it would be futile to even try. Not willing to receive a different perspective tells something else, but this is beyond the point of this conversation.
Then why did I even bother to comment in the first place? I had the courtesy to read it all, only to find that your eyes did catch details, most people can't, and you invested time in writing it, but ignored the background, when they actually made it very clear what it was through the last message at the ending, is a little sad in my book. This prompted me to wish you: You can do better!
Now you can take an assertive stance and be self righteous and block me. I don't care. I think the comments will disappear too, not sure though.
Or be brave, take the cheer and give it a thought, or not, when you watch another one (this one is at past tense).
Again, Best regards.

The word feeling seemed to bothered you. This was a take on expanding the < I like that > on everything else. Ex: Ooh, I like that bass line = this song is magnificent, even though, let's say the guitar, was off key. Take a look at the first 2 reviews that appear on the front page, you don't have to read them, their date and the notes given. Everything is perfect 10. This type of generalizing is an abusive mechanism. Even the dramas acknowledge it.
So no issue in how you rate things, because as you said it: "Over time I go through my list and adjust ratings if needed, to outline shows I liked more than others." so a ranking is implied. And you don't have to sit an hour to think about it, because it comes naturally through that objective reasoning ( we all have it, unless you are under some sort of influence )
I am just saying (not to you personally, but in general) : have some common sense and I am not asking for a professional review.
I don't know and it is not my place to know, what triggered your response, as you kind of took it personally. I am not here to push your buttons, so on the same note, please don't ask me to be an ignorant and keep it shut.
Be well and stay free.

I don't think i should reply as you seem to be already with a lot of prejudice from other comments and it doesn't look like you paid attention to what I actually wrote. Come to the shore to see the ocean, if you stay in the water you can't actually see it.
But let's try.
It is one story, so it shouldn't feel at any point like 2 parts.
Yes the climax should be more satisfactory but it was less polished then the build up, and even this is no issue. But changing the focus is. In a song the drums and the bass keep the structure, this way the vocals and even the guitars can experiment. You can not change this roles and expect an honorable result.
Special effects do repeat, but you put another(different) frame between so it doesn't feel cheep. This drama had overall a good production value and stuff like this don't do justice.
Is Part 2 only about Uk and Yeong?

If you are a child - I like it - has no reason, if you are an adult, you know why you like it, because of that objective reasoning. Which means four 10s is not in the realm of reality. You are just high on your own supply. So this is not about professional reviewing.
Of course you should go with your own belief. But rating something without even finish it, comes from selfishness. It is like going to an interview, you are asked a question and they rate you based on the first words of the answer. Again, if we are not kids, some sense of responsibility is implied.
Different opinions is subjectivity. But this was not about liking or disliking a character. They were fun. Do they change the taste? Yes. It is ok to put some sugar, but if i put to much you may end up with a dessert.
I don't have a problem with how high or low is the rating. I have no contribution to this drama. The issue is related to consistency. One story, one painting .... one puzzle. People hyped up and rated it before it was even finished.
If I would base my rating only on feel, then I should give a high rating to S1 for the excitement and a low one to S2 for following very predictable paths, hence, no excitement. This is not the case, as I can still see the value in the later one.
Should I feel ashamed that I want the same experience from the beginning until the end ?

People on this site cast their vote based on feelings. Objective reasoning, what is that? Season 2 has a higher rating then the first one . But, seriously reviewing season 2, a month ago, and give it a perfect 10, denotes just pure selfishness, without even understanding why did you liked it in the first place.
One story, same director and the same screenwriters = the same amount of quality.
Let's see:
Storytelling - In the first season, a lot of the story is told in the first person (Naksu). It starts with her and ends with her, so we care for her. In the second season I can't really say which is the main subject, as it keeps changing focus between shape and background.
Story flow - S1 quite natural, S2 chaotic and abrupt (maybe someone else edit it)
Production value - Maybe they had less filming rights and a smaller budget in season 2, visible impact
Special effects - Again, less in season 2, except for the last episode, but what seemed cheap was consecutive scenes with the same special effects and same point of view, only different clothes in S2.
Jang Uk - in S2 - I know he felt cold (the wraiths) but this made him less nuanced
Naksu - although it is the same character, it is not and they don't really overlap. Two actresses? not a problem, so no comment here.
Seo Yul - He grows, so the thumb up goes to S2
Park Jin - He took to much of a comical role, making him a less serious character for the end.
Go Won(CP) - Less, but the same problem as Park Jin.
And to close the main cast list
Kim Do Ju - consistent ray of sunshine.
Last thought (I know this is not a fair one) which of the 2 seasons can stand alone?

I thought so too. His performance is so non believable in Why her?. I put that on the account of poor written and confusing character (Gong Chan) and the actor being young. Well, he is not that young....
Whoever wrote the character, whoever cast him, and his performance ruined Why her? for me.

Sequel? You are kidding, right? Is this movie just a introduction to a longer story? Maybe then it will make sense. Because, on it's own, it has no value. Everything in this movie seems to be just the canvas for that casual violent scenes you mention.