Because she treated a customer like a criminal with literally no provocation. He didn't start raising his voice or anything until after she started recording, and even before that she was pretty standoffish, despite literally treating the customer before him with the amount of politeness expected. literally nothing he had done warranted how she treated him.
I've worked in South Korean bars, where people are often loud, sometimes argue loudly, and will do way more to provoke the person who's serving them, we serve them with caution but not loosing basic manners.
I'm not finding any of this funny y'all. I like the lead actress in general but her character is starting to piss…
I'm just about ready to give up on ep 2... Even with mental illness I can't stand how they just continue to allow her to break the law, and yet make fun of the guy for his mental issues. Thus far she has: 1. beat him in the elevator 2. damaged his car 3. Took photos of him without permission (is a law in KR) 4. threw (possibly broke) his phone
They seem to be trying to play these situations for laughs, but honestly every single one of them stresses me out because they are actually very annoying in person. It also subtly says "Let's make fun of mentally ill people and their crazy hijinks."
It's not about rather believing the victims than the presumption of innocence. It's about logic and the simplest…
My first reply listed one such case, Ahn Jae Hyun and Gu Hye Sun. Also in my first reply to the original poster I commented that I did not know about this situation in particular, and thus my words were not about this situation but were in response to the original poster's stance of defending the accuser first.
I do not think people are inherently innocent, just that they should not be regarded guilty of a crime before any real evidence is brought forward.
I was not advocating for dismissing cases, and I'm well aware that there is a bribery issue here. For the low violent crime rate Korea makes up in white collar crime.
I'm not paying attention to this case particularly due to indifference toward the actor, this was the first and only article I read about it. The letter is clearly damage control. It's culture here to apologize first, since appearance is so important. Generally you won't see direct admission of crimes in any apology, just vague "I'm ashamed of my past self" He will probably never say out loud "I'm sorry to those I harassed" Unfortunately it looks like we won't even get more than the 3 vaguely worded sentences that was dedicated to this.
Not remarking in this particular case, but I wanted to point out that scapegoats and forced apologies are common here. For example, last year in april the Daegu city government issued that foreigners would not be allowed to attend the light festival to prevent spread of corona. When facing backlash for clearly xenophobic practices, they removed the related posts and issued an apology stating their translator misinterpreted the Korean and has swiftly been fired.
It's not about rather believing the victims than the presumption of innocence. It's about logic and the simplest…
I live in Korea, I'm aware many people do the aforementioned things, celebs included. However you don't seem to be aware of how often innocent people are accused for little reason, celebrities *especially*. Antifans/haters are much more vicious here and are big enough to have their on anti-fandom names. Usually nothing becomes of anti-fan posts, but some take things further to ruin celebs.
There are many instances of people being accused from things as minor as dating (oh, the horror) to as big as rape. Rumors run rampant, and many Koreans only pay attention long enough to assume guilt. Some cases have had airtight alibis and the general public still thinks the person is guilty because of a rumor. If you haven't watched "Mr. Queen" I would highly recommend it, there are a bunch of scenes where people spread rumors about other characters, and despite how Korea has advanced in tech, it's acceptance of rumors and gossip has not changed much.
Also, guilt by association is HUGE here. So much so that simply being mentioned in someone else's scandal can result in a rating drop.
The reason I 'scream' Innocent until proven guilty is because you are just as likely to persecute an innocent person if you assume guilt. I'm not ignoring the victims, I'm just saying assuming guilt makes new victims.
just wanted to say this since some of you people lack basic human empathy: i would rather believe the victims…
"I would rather defend a liar than a bully/rapist" "Keep your morals in check" If that person is *lying* then YOU are defending the bully. Defamation in South Korea is incredibly damaging to not only the person's job, but also their everyday life. Take, for instance, Ahn Jae Hyun as example. all the guy wanted was a quiet divorce out of the public eye so that neither of the involved parties would face public humiliation. His wife made outrageous demands during the divorce and did interview after interview accusing him of cheating and abuse. No proof of either were provided but AJH stayed quiet and didn't fight back. He was bullied off social media and lost a full time position on a variety show. He also lost any chance of modeling, and a lot of people boycotted his drama that started airing 1 month later. Finally his company publishes kakao messages between GHS and AJH letting her own words burry her credibility. People both abroad and here in Korea still think AJH cheated on her. He hasn't done much since whereas she is still vehemently defended and working.
I don't know much about this case in particular but cancelling stars over accusations is WRONG. Things need to be processed and proven. it's innocent until proven guilty cause assuming guilt could punish the innocent.
I don't normally like to comment on other's views but i seriously can't take some of the outright dumb criticisms…
Scifi refers to tech that is still a fantasy because it hasn't been achieved, fixing a plane with tape is just downright impossible. If you wanted that to fall under scifi, the tape would have to be specifically made to withstand such a task, cutting edge tech that doesn't exist, ergo scifi.
Yesss..I definetly agree with you,this was my first k drama to watch and the OST is still fresh
This was the first kdrama I actually liked (my mom used to watch a ton and we have different tastes), but I didn't realize just how nostalgic the OST is.
Pretty disappointing. The show had a scene openly criticizing Byeong In for still holding onto his feelings for Soyong without realizing it wasn't her, and yet ends with the king unconditionally loving Soyong without realizing it's not the person he fell in love with...... Like... WHY!?
I've worked in South Korean bars, where people are often loud, sometimes argue loudly, and will do way more to provoke the person who's serving them, we serve them with caution but not loosing basic manners.
Thus far she has:
1. beat him in the elevator
2. damaged his car
3. Took photos of him without permission (is a law in KR)
4. threw (possibly broke) his phone
They seem to be trying to play these situations for laughs, but honestly every single one of them stresses me out because they are actually very annoying in person. It also subtly says "Let's make fun of mentally ill people and their crazy hijinks."
Also in my first reply to the original poster I commented that I did not know about this situation in particular, and thus my words were not about this situation but were in response to the original poster's stance of defending the accuser first.
I do not think people are inherently innocent, just that they should not be regarded guilty of a crime before any real evidence is brought forward.
I was not advocating for dismissing cases, and I'm well aware that there is a bribery issue here. For the low violent crime rate Korea makes up in white collar crime.
I'm not paying attention to this case particularly due to indifference toward the actor, this was the first and only article I read about it. The letter is clearly damage control. It's culture here to apologize first, since appearance is so important. Generally you won't see direct admission of crimes in any apology, just vague "I'm ashamed of my past self"
He will probably never say out loud "I'm sorry to those I harassed"
Unfortunately it looks like we won't even get more than the 3 vaguely worded sentences that was dedicated to this.
Not remarking in this particular case, but I wanted to point out that scapegoats and forced apologies are common here.
For example, last year in april the Daegu city government issued that foreigners would not be allowed to attend the light festival to prevent spread of corona. When facing backlash for clearly xenophobic practices, they removed the related posts and issued an apology stating their translator misinterpreted the Korean and has swiftly been fired.
There are many instances of people being accused from things as minor as dating (oh, the horror) to as big as rape. Rumors run rampant, and many Koreans only pay attention long enough to assume guilt. Some cases have had airtight alibis and the general public still thinks the person is guilty because of a rumor. If you haven't watched "Mr. Queen" I would highly recommend it, there are a bunch of scenes where people spread rumors about other characters, and despite how Korea has advanced in tech, it's acceptance of rumors and gossip has not changed much.
Also, guilt by association is HUGE here. So much so that simply being mentioned in someone else's scandal can result in a rating drop.
The reason I 'scream' Innocent until proven guilty is because you are just as likely to persecute an innocent person if you assume guilt. I'm not ignoring the victims, I'm just saying assuming guilt makes new victims.
If that person is *lying* then YOU are defending the bully. Defamation in South Korea is incredibly damaging to not only the person's job, but also their everyday life.
Take, for instance, Ahn Jae Hyun as example. all the guy wanted was a quiet divorce out of the public eye so that neither of the involved parties would face public humiliation.
His wife made outrageous demands during the divorce and did interview after interview accusing him of cheating and abuse. No proof of either were provided but AJH stayed quiet and didn't fight back. He was bullied off social media and lost a full time position on a variety show. He also lost any chance of modeling, and a lot of people boycotted his drama that started airing 1 month later.
Finally his company publishes kakao messages between GHS and AJH letting her own words burry her credibility. People both abroad and here in Korea still think AJH cheated on her.
He hasn't done much since whereas she is still vehemently defended and working.
I don't know much about this case in particular but cancelling stars over accusations is WRONG. Things need to be processed and proven. it's innocent until proven guilty cause assuming guilt could punish the innocent.
"why/how did you finish it then??"
I've given 2 things a 10 star, and the lowest I've rated something is 3.5 stars.
While I'm disappointed with the ending for this one I'd still give it a solid 7.5...