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I also feel that Phee was defeated. Like, innocent people (uncle Dang) got killed by the man he trusted for years. What Jin did seems tame in comparison. I really felt like reality was crashing down on Phee. That they're in deep shit, adding to the guilt he already feel. Phee might also feel guilty for the death of uncle Dang, despite him not knowing Tan would do that.

Oh, you mean how some teens may feel like they have control and not realising the coercion ? I'm still not blaming them for that though. Keyword is "feel", it doesn't mean they actually have control (because they don't, it's only an illusion). Grooming is manipulation and coercion. Talking about the psychology behind it doesn't make them anyless a victim.
I could also tell you that children without good adults figures in their lives are more susceptible to grooming (that could include Non) because they are looking for a connection with an adult (to have a role model, a sense of safety...)
At the end of day, it's still the adult's responsibility to be appropriate with them and not take advantage of their vulnerability (and Keng didnt' so he deserves to be in jail).

So, where do I excuse or justify predatory behaviors here ? My point is that teenagers are vulnerable and non informed, and hence they should be protected and informed. That include Jin because he is the one people have high expectations for when it comes to knowledge of grooming behaviors. But Jin didn't groom anyone, so how arguing his ignorance justifying anything ?
Like Jin, Non, Phee, my point is that all those teens can't detect such pattern of behaviors and as such, like Non did, can fall prey to it.
Where do I say it's any of their faults ?

I don't want to argue, believe me. I just want to understand what more Jin could have done. To me, Jin saying sorry was about the tape. But, let's say it's also about the bullying, realistically what more could be done to try and stop it ? If the perpetrators don't want to stop and are protected, what can people do ? What solution do you have ?

I don't think acknowledging that Non is the main victim of this show take from any of my points about people expectations of teenagers ?

I'm so sorry but I have a hard time understanding the tone of your comment. I'm asking in good faith, is it irony or a real inquiry?

Then what Jin should have done? The project didn't start the bullying, it wouldn't have ended it. Non would have lost all of his work and the problem wouldn't be solved. What solution was there?

When the police is corrupt, you lie. You tell them what they want to hear and match your story with other witness. I understand it's something hard to understand when you didn't experience it yourself. In countries where corruption is rampant, framing people is far too common because no one wants to do their job properly (or like Phee's dad, their hands are tied). So no, you don't just say "you don't know" and stand out from the bunch. You lie. Especially as, again, a teenager.

I'm not a fan of Jin in particular. I'm asking because i'm really puzzled by some people's reasonings and want to understand if i missed something.

I want to ask to people what do they think Jin should have done with Non's situation ? This is an earnest question.

Because when it comes to bullying, as far as I know, nothing can stop it except changing schools. Even if Non stopped hanging out with the friend group, I have no doubt he would have still been bullied untill his graduation. Hell, he was already facing bullying before joining the group for their project. A friend telling others to stop, never stopped bullying. The school administration or even the police wouldn't do shit, because either they don't care and/or Por's father is too powerful and so nothing will be done.
Even if Non stopped working on the project, after having broken the camera (in the eyes of Por) and the accounts debacle, they would have NEVER left him alone.
Non had two choices: getting bullied and finishing the project he put so much effort into (risked his life for, disappointed his parents for, etc) or getting bullied and letting the group take all the credit.
He explicitly stated he wouldn't change schools because this project was so important for him. So what was ANYONE supposed to do here ?

Also, I understand not liking Jin because he recorded Non. That's a crime, i'm not gonna argue against that.

But how do people expect Jin to know it was grooming when even Phee or Non didn't realise it ? That's the whole point of grooming. Teenagers are impressionable, they want to feel like adults when they are not and hence fall prey to predatory adults. Grooming sometimes means the kid feels like he has control and want what's happening without really understanding what it entails and realising they are being coerced (only harmful adults have sexual interest in minors, hence why it's so damaging for minors).
Why do people only expect Jin to know that ? When he is still a teenager himself. Even Phee didn't understand that, otherwise he would have been far more angry AT the teacher.
And that's the whole point of the situation. We as viewers understand. They don't.

Same with the idea Jin should know it was child pornography. Teenagers have sex, send nudes and they don't think about that. They don't realise that them sending nudes of themselves when they are under 18 is illegal (even if they are the one sending it). At least not all of them. It's something that is far more talked about when you're an adult.

I'm not saying it a good thing or trying to excuse Jin's actions. Revenge porn against a minor is a crime. He might not have sent it but the intent was there so shame on him.

I'm just sharing my interpretation of the events. Also were people really all so aware of all those concepts as a teenager themselves ? Because I personnally wasn't and i didn't live in a sheltered school environnement either. I have witness bullying, relationships with age gaps far too big for middle schoolers and highschoolers, all of that. I saw the damages it caused but I still couldn't have identified things like some people expect those characters to do.

Oh yes, I see what you're saying. Personnaly, I see Jin in a more sympathetic light. I think Non wouldn't have been left alone no matter what he or Jin did. Por's father is powerful and rich, what can two highschoolers do if the perpetrators don't want to stop ?
I don't think Jin is iredeemable like some, he clearly has a good heart but also many flaws (he is too hot headed and wears his heart in his sleeve). Unless he actually posted the video (I really don't think he did so far), I can understand a rash decision made by a teenager (I just hope he deleted the video from his computer). People say he should know better, but even Phee didn't know better when he saw the teacher and his boyfriend together. They are teenagers, they might not understand the damage this kind of relations creates.
But people have different interpretations and their views on such sensitive matters will differ. That's fine. Please, don't make yourself sick because of it.

I understand. And Tee still won't let him go because his uncle won't ever, he is a gangster, he doesn't care. So Non would have gone trough all of this, the stress and anxiety, risking his life for nothing ?
I'm not saying Non made the best choices, not at all. I only want to say that by the end, the situation was far too complicated for there to be a satisfactory solution. Also, I do believe Non thought Jin was his friend. So he would lose, in his eyes, one of the few friends he has.
Maybe changing schools would have made things better when it comes to the bullying, but I don't think it would made Non overall situation better. And Non would still lose a lot in the process, that he clearly didn't want to lose despite how inconsequential it might seem in the eyes of the spectators. Also, him not wanting to be a burden (because he feels like one in his family) is something that will always influence his decisions unfortunately.

Yeah, but Non got involved in illegal activities way before that. Phee asked him to change schools only after the money laundering was made public.
Even if Non changed schools before being asked, he already had to pay for the camera and was already involved with the money laundering. Por would still come after him for the money and Tee's uncle too. Changing schools wouldn't have been a solution, even for the bullying because Por wouldn't have let him go before he reimbursed him and Tee would still contact him about the money.
Non still had hopes when he got into the money laundering schemes and he thought he had broke the camera and deserved what was happening to him. We see him break down, hitting and calling himself stupid. When he realized everything, he was already stuck in a very sticky situation and even the police couldn't help him.

True, but I think we can agree Non is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He could change school and disappoint his mother further (who really didn't like the idea of him changing schools after the money laundering was revealed), sacrifice all the hard work he puts in writing the script (almost making himself sick because of it) and watch them take all the credit for it.
Or he could try and suck it up. Wait until the short film is done and, maybe, maybe get acknowledged thanks to it or at least get the credentials for his college application.
I don't think the choice is as easy as it looks.
Also Non doesn't mind changing schools but his mother does and he still needs her approbation to do so.

I respectfully disagree. Non still needs to go to school (even more with his family situation) and he still shares a classroom with those guys. They wouldn't leave him alone only because he stopped talking to them and stopped working on the short film with them. Especially after the whole camera and accounts debacle. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Bullying is still bullying even if, technically, you can avoid your bullies. Cyberbullying does exist after all.
And Non can't avoid them anyway so...

I don't want to instigate a debate or anything.
I only want to add that it's not told but it's shown to us that Non wants friends.
Firts, most highschoolers (children even) want friends. Being alone at shcool is never a great experience, take it from personal experiences or studies on the subject. It also makes you an easy target for bullies, exactly like Non is. You actually aknowledged this in your comments by asking why should Jin leave his friends for Non. You're right, Jin wouldn't do that because a friend group makes your school life far easier and protects you from bullying. Non litteraly put their photo in a frame on his desk, despite everything. He does want friends.
Secondly, Non does act like someone being bullied (but also yearning for friends). When they insult him, call him names, he brushes it off despite being hurt. He never bites back even when the bullying is physical. He keeps doing everything they tell him to in hopes of being accepted by them. The only time he snapped was in the latest episode.
He does want friends even if he never explicitly states it. Non's highschool experience is such a common occurence unfortunately and a lot of people can relate to it.

I don't want to instigate a debate or anything.
I only want to add that it's not told but it's shown to us that Non wants friends.
Firts, most highschoolers (children even) want friends. Being alone at shcool is never a great experience, take it from personal experiences or studies on the subject. It also makes you an easy target for bullies, exactly like Non is. You actually aknowledged this in your comments by asking why should Jin leave his friends for Non. You're right, Jin wouldn't do that because a friend group makes your school life far easier and protects you from bullying. Non litteraly put their photo in a frame on his desk, despite everything. He does want friends.
Secondly, Non does act like someone being bullied (but also yearning for friends). When they insult him, call him names, he brushes it off despite being hurt. He never bites back even when the bullying is physical. He keeps doing everything they tell him to in hopes of being accepted by them. The only time he snapped was in the latest episode.
He does want friends even if he never explicitly states it. Non's highschool experience is such a common occurence unfortunately and a lot of people can relate to it.

The cult in the forest that offers living sacrifices, it's called the dwelling of Janta (or the Janta cult). And Non wrote about it in his script in today's episode, but it also exists in real life. Phee and Jin are still stuck in the cult's temple in present time. So, did they use an actual cult in their script for the short film ? And then went and film an horror short film at the vacation house near the grounds of the real life cult ? Like... Are they dumb ?

That's a good theory too ! I could see Jin being petty like that. He is petty with Phee already.
The more I think about this show, the more questions I have, like how did Non know about the dwelling of Janta ? He wrote it in his script but it also exists in real life ? I need answers 😂

So... More than New, who's the "heart" contact that Non is talking to ? Clearly, they are close, so we have a big suspect for the killer. Also Mr Keng, since when are we offering rides to students ? So sus... I love 2J but it was creepy. Everything stressed me out this episode. I felt claustrophobic like Non. Tee is a massive a-hole ! Framing Non to have him in debt ? Money laundering ? Damn, White will be heartbroken to know about everything. If he doesn't already... I tought Non would be the one with a crush on Jin, but now... It looks like Jin is interested and Non is after the mysterious "heart" guy. It's going to get messy, i feel it. Top, Tee and Fluke can rot. Por too, rip. Also, I realize... How did Jin know Non's adress ? Am I thinking too much ? Maybe...
My wild theory: I think the "heart" guy is White. But he fell for Tee despite him being a Massive Bully and betray Non's trust by siding with Tee instead. It would explain why he is affected by whatever is going on in the forest. Also we know he met the boys before Tan and Phee (i think?), so he must have already been enrolled in their school.
Or something, I don't know... I'm still a bit freak out by the atmosphere of this episode.

Hi again!

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with people on the platform. I do think people should take the time to cool down from their excitement before responding to comments.

Again, your rating is your personal opinion and you're entitled to it. We rate shows based on our personal tastes and experiences, there is nothing wrong with it.
I also appreciate that you took my comment into consideration.

When it comes to rating a series as soon as the first episode comes out, I can see both sides of the argument. Of course, the rating of only one episode might not be reflective of the quality of the whole series. At the same time, the same can be said for each season of a show, for example. Also with some series with 100+ eps (C-dramas), we can't expect people to wait for the whole show to be out before reviewing it.
Personally, I don't think reviewing and rating while watching along is a bad thing. There are a lot of podcasts based on this format with anime and series. I do think that if the show ends up disappointing, we will see people talk about it and maybe change their ratings later on.

You didn't like KinnPorsche and decided to rate it based on only one episode and I respect that. So, I can't, in good faith, fault others for doing the same.

To give you a bit of my perspective, I'm one of those fans who's been waiting a long time for this show to come out. I followed the making of this series closely for more than a year. I really liked the first episode, even though I didn't rate it yet. I think it's fun and entertaining to watch. Is it perfect? No. But it doesn't need to be for me to enjoy it.

I know about Blueming but I didn't watch it, yet. I think this is where our tastes and opinions differ.
Personally, I don't think that the hyper (traditionally) masculine leads of KinnPorsche are the norm in Thailand BL. I have watched my fair share of thai bls and I would say most of the male characters and relationships would be more similar to what you find in Blueming actually (based on what I saw from the trailer, at least). University boys discovering their sexuality and a softer and more diverse depiction of masculinity than what we can find in western media.

Then again, we can agree to disagree.

I do like the show but I'm not commenting to try and convince you. You're entitled to your opinion and I do agree with some of your criticisms.

However, I can't help but notice that you made some wrong assumptions about this show which ended up making your review miss the mark on some things.

"This is why the Thai shows consistently perform what I call "Gay Erasure" with the trope of "I am not really gay, because you're the only man I have ever liked, and will ever like."
"Thus, Thailand has wheeled out another piece of crap for them called "KinnPorsche" where a hetero bodyguard and a hetero mafioso will fall in love. "

First, Kinn isn't hetero. He is always stated as gay in the novel and the trailer even alluded to it by showing him with different male lovers (who weren't Porsche). Kinn is also open about it, his whole circle knows. It's also why the "gelato" comment made by the Italian guy can be interpreted as a mockery of his sexual orientation. Everyone knows he likes men. Now, it wasn't openly stated in the first episode because, well, it's the first episode.
You stated that you like openly gay men pursuing other men, well, you have it here.

"So KinnPorsche gives us 2 super straight acting, macho guys -- who also happen to be sexist assholes who treat women like meat wrapped in a tight shiny dress. Sorry, but nowhere but in BL fantasy land would macho guys like this ever be diddling each other."

You made the assumption that because Kinn is "macho", he's sexist and straight. I'm not gonna lie, I'm very bothered by that. Macho men can be gay. Macho men can dig other macho men. "Straight acting guys" can also be gay. Like...obviously. In the same way, gay men can be sexist.
Although, nothing showed that Kinn was sexist. The only female character he interacted with was the bar owner and he was fairly polite and respectful. I can understand why you would read Porsche as such but Kinn? I think you arbitrarily put him in a box there.
Anyway, no Gay Erasure here. Especially because Kinn isn't the only openly gay character in the show.

"And what did Thailand's BL market research find? Well, they found that the straight girls under 35, who compose 90% of BL's viewership, only want to see "straight men" or "straight acting men" fall in love."

Legit question, how do you know that all those girls who consume LGBTQ+ media are straight?

"There is virtually no evidence in ANY studies of 2 heteros having sex with each other. Indeed, it is a contradiction in terms (ie, "hetero" by DEFINITION means sex with the opposite gender)."

Some straight men can have sex with men. We don't need any studies for that. Sexual exploration is a thing. Having sex with someone of the same gender doesn't make you any less hetero (if you identify as such) because only "having sex" doesn't define your sexual orientation.

"It even features Italian Mafioso whose native language is not even Italian. They seem to be Thai guys who are simply speaking their dialogue in Italian. It's all the more absurd because there is not even an Italian mafia anymore -- international organized crime is almost entirely based in South America with drugs coming to North America."

I found a few comments by (allegedly) native Italian speakers which stated the actors sounded Italian but were seemingly speaking in a southern dialect they (actors) weren't familiar with. Now, I agree that their portrayal and acting are up for criticism. You might be Italian yourself, I don't know, but I wanted to share this.
Also, the Italian Mafia is still a thing. It might not be as it was before but it still exists to this day. You don't get rid of organized crime that easily.

Everything else is your opinion and I respect it. However, seeing as your main argument against the show was the assumption that both leads were hetero, I wanted to share this.