Some people don't understand what happened in the series. I don't understand what people don't understand.
You don't need to guess, they tell you. Every time Den's research is mentioned, they tell you why and how the "4 minutes". Read the dialogues, everything there. If they don't tell you, they show you in less than subtle ways, like the broken heart biscuit of Doctor Den.
I can understand you if you really don't enjoy nudity or sex scenes. But don't say it's not necessary. It helps…
You might not like or understand the scenes but they do actually have a purpose. Each and every sex scenes in 4 minutes tell you something important about characters, their dynamics and even the plot.
Where the heck did the smiling mobster/killer come from? And how and why did they have to wipe out Tyme's whole…
I do agree that the story is a bit convoluted. However, I think that they are following their red thread quite well. It makes sense in my eyes. But it's not a story for everyone.
Again, Great knows about Lukwa because she is in doctor Den's research papers. She is part of his research. If Great knows about that, he knows about Lukwa and everything she shared with Den.
What does Tyme remember from Great's rewinds ?
Great remembers things from real life, of course, he already lived trough it. Like the flashes of Tyme and him together in bed, for example.
I'm still pretty sure ep 6 showed us the real world. The truth about what really happened. There were no 4 minutes jumps, no clocks stuck, no flashes from the past, nothing. It was the real past of Tyme and Great.
The end of ep 7 is Tyme rewinding, yes. But ep 1 to 5 was still Great's pov. Tyme wouldn't know that him saying "Can you please forgive me ?" to a comatose Great, would translate to a note on a drink saying exactly that in Great's mind. Also, Tyme saw a stuck clock in ep 7 only. Never before that.
And if we were seeing everything from someone else's perspective, why would strange things happen only to Great before the end of ep 7 ?
In my eyes, the drama started with both Tyme and Great going into cardiac arrest at the same moment. We had a back and forth at the beginning of the series showing them flatlining at the same exact time.
If you're not convinced, that's fine. We see things differently, that's okay. I genuinely wanted to understand what your approach was.
Where the heck did the smiling mobster/killer come from? And how and why did they have to wipe out Tyme's whole…
Not everything we see in ep 1 and 5 is from Great's perspective and some moments from his pov are made up. We don't know how Great knows about Den's research, maybe Tyme told him about it when he was in his coma. Who knows ? But he knows and that's why some scenes with Den and Tyme are from Great's fantasized view.
In contrast, all the KornWinTonkla scenes are from the real world.
Great, in his head, wants to understand what's happening to him and he wants Tyme so he mixes the two. Fantasized Tyme is actively helping him while the real Tyme wouldn't have done it.
Lukwa doesn't know Great and Tyme, nor their families. How would everything have been in her head ?
I also hope they give us a good albeit tragic ending.
Where the heck did the smiling mobster/killer come from? And how and why did they have to wipe out Tyme's whole…
I don't think it's a power either, hence the quotations. Its symptoms of someone going into cardiac arrest but from their own perspective, being stuck in their head.
I don't understand why you would think it was anyone else than Great's pov we see from ep 1 to 5. He is the only one who sees the clocks stuck at 11:00, then 11:01 and following. He is the only one that "sees 4 minutes into the future". He is the only one who sees flashes of Tyme and him together before they actually became a thing (in his head).
Ep 6 showed us how much he changed what really happened while reliving it.
Yes, a lot of people died but none of them were in cardiac arrest. Dome was brutally killed and thrown in the water, same with Title, Nan was shot in the head, the grandma was shot too. None of them had time to go into cardiac arrest for 4 minutes.
Scenes with Tyme, Korn, Tonkla or Win never had anything different like that. Tonkla hallucinates but it's shown to be more about his mental state crumbling rather than heart problems. Also, none of them were shown to be dying either.
Maybe the director wanted to be a bit dramatic with the grandma, true. However, characters motivations are still there and make sense.
Where the heck did the smiling mobster/killer come from? And how and why did they have to wipe out Tyme's whole…
Both their hearts stopped at the same time in ep 1. Tyme is shot and collapses, Great flatlines in his hospital bed. Also, the one who can go back 4 minutes in time is the one who's in the "4 minutes" state. That's how we can tell who's living in their head and who's in the real world. For now, only Great had this power. Also, the clocks are stuck on your time of death.
As of now, it seems like the "4 minutes power" doesn't affect real life because Dome is still dead in the real word.
However, when, it comes to the external influence of reliving your life, i think it will be about if they die or wake up and live. Lukwa said that she woke up because she heard the voice of her lover, so there are things someone you love can do to help you come back to life even when you are in this "4 minutes" state.
For Tyme, he was a child and his grandma was already old, I guess they spared them because they weren't a threat at the time. Tyme didn't know anything until he was an adult so, why bother ? They killed his grandma in front of him because then, it was revenge for all the shit he caused that made them have to flee.
Lukwa is really important, yes. She showed us something interesting. She met Great in that strange room. Which means that, maybe, Great and Tyme can also meet in this limbo state.
My theory. Great and tyme will be in comas/dying for these 4 minutes. While they're in that state they meet, say…
My theory is the same except one of them survives. The only thing they can change in the end is having one of them wake up and live so the whole 4 minutes isn't useless. Which makes it even more gut wrenching, in my opinion. My money is on Tyme dying.
The end of episode 7 pretty much confirmed the reality of what happened since Tyme DIDN'T put the notebook back…
I mean, everything about Win wanting to find the killer in the first place has to do with Tonkla. He isn't supposed to be investigating this case anyway, and he still does because... Tonkla.
After ep 7, I expect at least one if not both main characters to die. If both survive, it would really be a miracle…
Great's mother getting shot might have to do with something Den said. When reliving your life, you can get the "4 minutes in the future insight" but also see things that didn't happen at all or didn't happen the way it did in the real world. Much like Tyme's interest in Great, Great fantasizes some things.
Where the heck did the smiling mobster/killer come from? And how and why did they have to wipe out Tyme's whole…
The mobster is Fahsai's father (and Korn's future father in law, it seems). Great and Korn's dad said multiple times there are other partners "in the business". In ep 7, they explain that Tyme's parents died because they were the original owners of the illegal casinos and were being investigated. Because Fahsai's dad and Korn's dad were involved in this illegal business, they had the parents killed so no one would link them to the gambling dens. They killed Tyme (?) because he tried to expose all of it.
Tyme never had the "4 minutes power" so no, we never were in his head until the end of ep 7. The Tyme from ep 1 to 5 was a fantasy made by Great and the real Tyme was in ep 6 et 7. Tyme was only shot for the first time in ep 7. The first few scenes in ep 1 were foreshadowing, we saw Great flatlining during those scenes too.
We went trough Great's head to understand the real nature of "seeing 4 minutes in the future" and why it's happening. Now, we know that either Great's wakes up and lives or he doesn't wake up and dies. Same with Tyme.
The interesting thing is they're both in cardiac arrest at the same time and reliving their lives in the same way. Maybe it can have an effect on what happens next ?
Somethings are still remain unanswered, the version of events that I see in the comments here doesn't really add…
Great's mom wasn't shot because Manee (the woman Great hit with his car) died in the real world. So, she never paid to have Great and Great's mom killed. The woman Great sees in the purple room is Lukhwa, she is the patient of doctor Den that can see 4 minutes in the future too, when she is in cardiac arrest. Everything about Den research explains what's happening to Great, in the real world. His brain is deprived of oxygen for 4 minutes and he relives his memories and regrets. A lot of things happenings arent part of Great's memories. Tyme taking the money is one of those. Great justifies Tyme taking the money differently from what really happened.
I have a different take on their situation. At first, I really thought that Korn is trying to shield his brother.…
Yes, truly. My mind can't reconcile his apparent love for Great and Tonkla with this very dark aspect of his personality. He is ready to sacrifice anything and everything for this company.
So, I don't know. I can't see all he does as only genuine care for his brother. From the start, I do think he was also doing it for himself. When both objectives aligned, everything was fine, he was the caring brother but now, the mask is slipping off. Dating Fahsai too, it wasn't to be with Tonkla. Deep down, it was for the company and himself.
They implied that Title and Dome died in the same timeline though. Tonkla killed Title because Dome died. So there…
I do think that the Law of Equivalent Exchange is happening with GreatTyme.
For Dome and Title, the police said they found two bodies killed one after the other. This is why they mentioned revenge as a possible motive. So, Dome and Title dying in the same timeline is confirmed.
I've been analyzing the relationship between Korn and Great for a while now, and there's a lot to unpack. From…
I have a different take on their situation. At first, I really thought that Korn is trying to shield his brother. But, maybe Great having no want to manage the business is something Korn wants. He has such an obsession with the company, I can't understand where it comes from anymore. Is it really only about getting his father's approval ?
He is willing to brush off everything when it comes to what's happening there. In ep 1, he discovers a whole illegal side to the business and accept to sacrifice his morals and lead it. In ep 5, neither his love for Great nor Tonkla is able to outweight his want to have the company, despite it profiting off people's suffering. He couldn't even assure his brother he wouldn't hurt him because of this ! The one he told he would protect right before !
At first, he told Samarn not to hurt Nan but when she wouldn't talk, he just closes his eyes and lets the man beat her up. He knew he was beating her and he didn't told him to stop only to "take better care of her". He must know about what's happening to the women in the gambling ring too. And still, it's the company comes first for him.
I'm not doubting his love for Great. However, much like Great's conscience and love for Tyme don't let him ignore injustices, Korn's greed for the company now overpowers his love for his brother. In a sense, Korn is starting to look more and more like his father.
Was thinking about this. The answer may lie in a powerful universal principle known as the Law of Equivalent Exchange.…
They implied that Title and Dome died in the same timeline though. Tonkla killed Title because Dome died. So there is a timeline, the one where Dome comes home, where they both live.
I think it's because the culprits are different and the police knows it. The first case was covered up because Title killed Dome and Title's family is very influential. However, if Title is the second body, now they would want to find out who did it because... his family is influential. Win's chef was very insistent with him at the start of ep 4, clearly there is pressure on the police to find the culprit fast but only for the second corpse. Because they already know who the first murderer is and they covered it up already. Also if both bodies were found killed the same way, then there are two stones, the one used by Title and the one used by Tonkla.
My thoughts exactly!The pacing is so dissonant when you compare the first half, which is relatively well fleshed…
Yes, the pacing wasn't the greatest (pun intended). But, now Great and Tyme are isolated and away from everything so it's a perfect opportunity for more bonding scenes between them. I'm hoping for some kind of KP episode 6 for next episode. Fingers crossed, they rushed because they knew we would have a whole episode dedicated to them together.
Yeah, I love this series and I LOVED this episode, BUT...
We have a pacing issue and an editing issue. I don't care if they decided to show every shift in Tonkla's relationships with sex scenes. It works. We all understand how twisted this triangle is becoming. They're able to convey the sad, depressed and hurt moods of those characters.
But, they spent too long with them in the beginning of the episode. Hence, it feels like the second half with Nan's rescue and GreatTyme's "great time" is rushed.
The harsh cut going from Lukwa and Den talking to Nan getting slapped across the face was so jarring because it didn't feel like we were done with the previous scene. They should have sped up KornTonklaWin a little bit more and spent more with GreatTyme on the bridge for example, have them talk more, explain some things.
Personnaly, I like GreatTyme scene. Clearly, it was both their first time with a man. It was cute and I love when people smile during sex. We will get to the wild NC scenes in later episodes, i'm sure. For now, they just said "I really like you" without saying it.
I think the second dead body they found at the beginning of ep 3 is Tonkla's doing and Win knows about it. The other cop talked about revenge and Win seemed so distracted during this whole interaction despite having promised Tonkla he would find the one who killed his brother. The murders were similar so why wasn't he paying attention ? He might have found him and helped Tonkla lure and kill him. Tonkla has him wrapped around his finger since day 1. Now, Win has to clean up their tracks and "investigate".
we saw great take dome to the hospital so how can it be dome..?
It's only a theory, so of course, I might have understand some things wrong. And true, we don't know how the brother died, the stone can be unrelated to his death. But, I'm honestly like... How many murders are happening at this exact place ? And why didn't they show the brother's face if it's someone we didn't see prior ? Now, there are many other possibilities, of course . It's just that Great doesn't seem so great himself if you really look at it. He leaves after hitting the woman the first time, he doesn't seem that concerned that his friend KIDNAPPED someone and when Title talks about drowning Dome, his first reflex is to leave them both behind. There is a pattern to how Great acts so I can't help but think he might have done something he regrets and is trying to make up for. He only ever get involved or has a change of heart after going back 4 minutes in time.
You don't need to guess, they tell you. Every time Den's research is mentioned, they tell you why and how the "4 minutes". Read the dialogues, everything there. If they don't tell you, they show you in less than subtle ways, like the broken heart biscuit of Doctor Den.
But it's not a story for everyone.
Again, Great knows about Lukwa because she is in doctor Den's research papers. She is part of his research. If Great knows about that, he knows about Lukwa and everything she shared with Den.
What does Tyme remember from Great's rewinds ?
Great remembers things from real life, of course, he already lived trough it. Like the flashes of Tyme and him together in bed, for example.
I'm still pretty sure ep 6 showed us the real world. The truth about what really happened. There were no 4 minutes jumps, no clocks stuck, no flashes from the past, nothing. It was the real past of Tyme and Great.
The end of ep 7 is Tyme rewinding, yes.
But ep 1 to 5 was still Great's pov. Tyme wouldn't know that him saying "Can you please forgive me ?" to a comatose Great, would translate to a note on a drink saying exactly that in Great's mind.
Also, Tyme saw a stuck clock in ep 7 only. Never before that.
And if we were seeing everything from someone else's perspective, why would strange things happen only to Great before the end of ep 7 ?
In my eyes, the drama started with both Tyme and Great going into cardiac arrest at the same moment. We had a back and forth at the beginning of the series showing them flatlining at the same exact time.
If you're not convinced, that's fine. We see things differently, that's okay. I genuinely wanted to understand what your approach was.
We don't know how Great knows about Den's research, maybe Tyme told him about it when he was in his coma. Who knows ?
But he knows and that's why some scenes with Den and Tyme are from Great's fantasized view.
In contrast, all the KornWinTonkla scenes are from the real world.
Great, in his head, wants to understand what's happening to him and he wants Tyme so he mixes the two. Fantasized Tyme is actively helping him while the real Tyme wouldn't have done it.
Lukwa doesn't know Great and Tyme, nor their families. How would everything have been in her head ?
I also hope they give us a good albeit tragic ending.
I don't understand why you would think it was anyone else than Great's pov we see from ep 1 to 5. He is the only one who sees the clocks stuck at 11:00, then 11:01 and following. He is the only one that "sees 4 minutes into the future". He is the only one who sees flashes of Tyme and him together before they actually became a thing (in his head).
Ep 6 showed us how much he changed what really happened while reliving it.
Yes, a lot of people died but none of them were in cardiac arrest. Dome was brutally killed and thrown in the water, same with Title, Nan was shot in the head, the grandma was shot too. None of them had time to go into cardiac arrest for 4 minutes.
Scenes with Tyme, Korn, Tonkla or Win never had anything different like that. Tonkla hallucinates but it's shown to be more about his mental state crumbling rather than heart problems. Also, none of them were shown to be dying either.
Maybe the director wanted to be a bit dramatic with the grandma, true. However, characters motivations are still there and make sense.
Also, the one who can go back 4 minutes in time is the one who's in the "4 minutes" state. That's how we can tell who's living in their head and who's in the real world. For now, only Great had this power. Also, the clocks are stuck on your time of death.
As of now, it seems like the "4 minutes power" doesn't affect real life because Dome is still dead in the real word.
However, when, it comes to the external influence of reliving your life, i think it will be about if they die or wake up and live. Lukwa said that she woke up because she heard the voice of her lover, so there are things someone you love can do to help you come back to life even when you are in this "4 minutes" state.
For Tyme, he was a child and his grandma was already old, I guess they spared them because they weren't a threat at the time. Tyme didn't know anything until he was an adult so, why bother ?
They killed his grandma in front of him because then, it was revenge for all the shit he caused that made them have to flee.
Lukwa is really important, yes. She showed us something interesting. She met Great in that strange room. Which means that, maybe, Great and Tyme can also meet in this limbo state.
My money is on Tyme dying.
When reliving your life, you can get the "4 minutes in the future insight" but also see things that didn't happen at all or didn't happen the way it did in the real world. Much like Tyme's interest in Great, Great fantasizes some things.
In ep 7, they explain that Tyme's parents died because they were the original owners of the illegal casinos and were being investigated. Because Fahsai's dad and Korn's dad were involved in this illegal business, they had the parents killed so no one would link them to the gambling dens. They killed Tyme (?) because he tried to expose all of it.
Tyme never had the "4 minutes power" so no, we never were in his head until the end of ep 7. The Tyme from ep 1 to 5 was a fantasy made by Great and the real Tyme was in ep 6 et 7. Tyme was only shot for the first time in ep 7. The first few scenes in ep 1 were foreshadowing, we saw Great flatlining during those scenes too.
We went trough Great's head to understand the real nature of "seeing 4 minutes in the future" and why it's happening. Now, we know that either Great's wakes up and lives or he doesn't wake up and dies. Same with Tyme.
The interesting thing is they're both in cardiac arrest at the same time and reliving their lives in the same way.
Maybe it can have an effect on what happens next ?
The woman Great sees in the purple room is Lukhwa, she is the patient of doctor Den that can see 4 minutes in the future too, when she is in cardiac arrest. Everything about Den research explains what's happening to Great, in the real world. His brain is deprived of oxygen for 4 minutes and he relives his memories and regrets.
A lot of things happenings arent part of Great's memories. Tyme taking the money is one of those. Great justifies Tyme taking the money differently from what really happened.
My mind can't reconcile his apparent love for Great and Tonkla with this very dark aspect of his personality. He is ready to sacrifice anything and everything for this company.
So, I don't know.
I can't see all he does as only genuine care for his brother. From the start, I do think he was also doing it for himself. When both objectives aligned, everything was fine, he was the caring brother but now, the mask is slipping off. Dating Fahsai too, it wasn't to be with Tonkla. Deep down, it was for the company and himself.
For Dome and Title, the police said they found two bodies killed one after the other. This is why they mentioned revenge as a possible motive. So, Dome and Title dying in the same timeline is confirmed.
At first, I really thought that Korn is trying to shield his brother. But, maybe Great having no want to manage the business is something Korn wants.
He has such an obsession with the company, I can't understand where it comes from anymore. Is it really only about getting his father's approval ?
He is willing to brush off everything when it comes to what's happening there. In ep 1, he discovers a whole illegal side to the business and accept to sacrifice his morals and lead it. In ep 5, neither his love for Great nor Tonkla is able to outweight his want to have the company, despite it profiting off people's suffering. He couldn't even assure his brother he wouldn't hurt him because of this ! The one he told he would protect right before !
At first, he told Samarn not to hurt Nan but when she wouldn't talk, he just closes his eyes and lets the man beat her up. He knew he was beating her and he didn't told him to stop only to "take better care of her". He must know about what's happening to the women in the gambling ring too.
And still, it's the company comes first for him.
I'm not doubting his love for Great. However, much like Great's conscience and love for Tyme don't let him ignore injustices, Korn's greed for the company now overpowers his love for his brother. In a sense, Korn is starting to look more and more like his father.
Also if both bodies were found killed the same way, then there are two stones, the one used by Title and the one used by Tonkla.
But, now Great and Tyme are isolated and away from everything so it's a perfect opportunity for more bonding scenes between them. I'm hoping for some kind of KP episode 6 for next episode. Fingers crossed, they rushed because they knew we would have a whole episode dedicated to them together.
We have a pacing issue and an editing issue. I don't care if they decided to show every shift in Tonkla's relationships with sex scenes. It works. We all understand how twisted this triangle is becoming. They're able to convey the sad, depressed and hurt moods of those characters.
But, they spent too long with them in the beginning of the episode. Hence, it feels like the second half with Nan's rescue and GreatTyme's "great time" is rushed.
The harsh cut going from Lukwa and Den talking to Nan getting slapped across the face was so jarring because it didn't feel like we were done with the previous scene. They should have sped up KornTonklaWin a little bit more and spent more with GreatTyme on the bridge for example, have them talk more, explain some things.
Personnaly, I like GreatTyme scene. Clearly, it was both their first time with a man. It was cute and I love when people smile during sex. We will get to the wild NC scenes in later episodes, i'm sure.
For now, they just said "I really like you" without saying it.
He might have found him and helped Tonkla lure and kill him. Tonkla has him wrapped around his finger since day 1. Now, Win has to clean up their tracks and "investigate".
But, I'm honestly like... How many murders are happening at this exact place ? And why didn't they show the brother's face if it's someone we didn't see prior ? Now, there are many other possibilities, of course .
It's just that Great doesn't seem so great himself if you really look at it. He leaves after hitting the woman the first time, he doesn't seem that concerned that his friend KIDNAPPED someone and when Title talks about drowning Dome, his first reflex is to leave them both behind. There is a pattern to how Great acts so I can't help but think he might have done something he regrets and is trying to make up for. He only ever get involved or has a change of heart after going back 4 minutes in time.