I loved this drama until today....All that time to lead us to... AIGOO... (incomplete and unsatisfied)...I will never watch another Hong sister drama while it is airing.
I really struggled with RR in the beginning,... It was interesting at moments, cute in others but it also has some flaws plus a reasonable amount of cliche antagonists... but the way JSH is intentional and unwavering like a tracker beaming with his heart toward SGR is wow......if it is for this factor alone...Ep 9 and especially 10 were on point! I am sure we have some bumps ahead as all dramas do but I'm looking forward to seeing these lovebirds make it to their happy ending.
It used the same cliche of hearing/seeing right at the exact misunderstanding situation way too many times to…
TRUE... Interestingly... I got the MDL notification you responded...I read your post. I completely forgot what this drama was about. WOW... I only watched it 2 months ago. I had to review the preview and then it slowly came back to me. I still can't say I loved it or hated it, I guess it was pretty average drama in the end.
It's funny because you'd think a drama this popular would be subbed like normally, it usually takes a half a day…
I don't think it is fair to comparison. Kissasian and myasiantv illegally steal dramas and the subtitles from licensed sites....Unlike websites that use membership fees to PAY for licensing, they uploaded or copy what they find on Hulu, Netflix DramaFever, Viki, Viu and other global websites like them.... So of course they will have more options for viewing, but they don't have a restricted budget or the requirements set up by networks (copyright laws). YEA....They have faster subs because the steal those from whoever gets them completed the fastest. The AVERAGE person who pays for Netflix isn't going to being scoping out pirate sites, unless they are ALREADY a diehard kdrama lover. For the record Hwayugi isn't on Netflix in US, it's only licensed on Viki. The general American view won't even know about it for the time being. If I mentioned it in conversation...most people I know would look at me blankly. Maybe they will offer it here in a few months, but so far nothing has been said.
Things are changing...There are more than 100 Kdramas on Netflix in the US a year ago there were maybe 25-30. I have noticed when I was in Europe and Mexico this year the selection is much smaller. However as Netflix starts to produce THEIR OWN dramas in their studios the the selection globally will increase...They have the new studio in Korea they just acquired , and they just invested in over 600 hours of content from JTBC. At this time the selection might seem limiting, but Netflix is not far away from being a fierce global contender in the asian drama market.
I really believe...The delay is most likely part of an agreement they have with TVN or because netflix hires or contracts full-time paid professionals who are working on subbing several dramas. What gets released and when is all about the number of projects and managing time. Honestly, It really won't matter to most of the people who subscribe to the service.
I dont know where you're from but Netflix UK uploads the weeks episodes up full subbed on Fridays, so only 5-6…
Everyone has their preference...I subscribe to Netflix too, it is how I was introduced to asian dramas 2 years ago....and back then they only has a handful to watch...which is why in my hunt to find other dramas ended up finding Viki and DF. I still watch dramas on Netflix from time to time, but the selection is still pretty limited, the release is a bit delayed ...Over time the offerings are increasing.... It was clear Netflix was going to get aggressive about the Kdrama market when they contracted 600 hours of content with JTBC last year. PLUS....the recent announcement they are filming and producing their own dramas starting this year, in the new studio they acquired in Seoul. I'm excited to see what comes out of their new endeavors.
It's funny because you'd think a drama this popular would be subbed like normally, it usually takes a half a day…
Not everyone has a subscription to asian drama websites, much less knows about them even existing. Netflix has a much larger market than Viki, DF and VIU combined. In fact, it is one of the main places a whole new audience is being introduced to asian dramas. For the average viewer they won't notice there is a week delay, it must be something they have to follow contract wise to obtain the licensing.
It's funny because you'd think a drama this popular would be subbed like normally, it usually takes a half a day…
The legal licensing on this drama is extremely limited, the subtitles are being done primarily by VIKI's volunteer team. It is possible depending on where in the world the volunteers live, the subbers could be a sleep, at school or work at the time they are released in the raw form. I usually see the subs started by mid to late afternoon, and finished late into the evening, however this past week or two with the Lunar New Year, its not uncommon for the subbing process to be even more delayed than usual. Once it is subbed on Viki other websites will take the subbers work, this is why other non-licensed sites are are delayed even later.
It appears the subs are being done legally on Viki only. (If you find them elsewhere that is where pulled from....)…
I wasn't insulting you for having Kocowa, everyone is welcome to their preference. Personally, When I found out I could watch the airing dramas "same day" for free on Kocowa, it didn't makes sense for me to pay for an account. I usually watch on Kocowa first and later on my Kocowa Viki Pass Plus account. I still like viki's subs, Kocowa tends to over simplify the meaning, so I tend to watch dramas twice. When they offer the Roku option then I might switch, that would be the only reason it seems worth the extra expense.
It appears the subs are being done legally on Viki only. (If you find them elsewhere that is where pulled from....)…
Drama Fever cost includes all of that in addition to paying for subbers but viki has a TON more NEW content. VIKI and DF both pay for licensing each drama they share, however DF offers significantly less content and spends more money on hiring subbers. Viki on the other hand spends more money on dramas, and then has volunteers do the subbing. They cost the same but the way they distribute the resources is different. If viki hires subbers than the content will be reduced or the cost will have to go up.
Kocowa is connected directly to the 3 big Korean TV networks so they have removed a middle man when to licensing, but they pay people to do the subbing. Kocowa is basically renting space or lending its rights to Viki. Since they are doing the subbing with volunteers , viki can offered a reduced rate... $50 on viki vs $70 on Kocowa charges.
The actually best value is a Drama Fever account for $50 and a Viki pass plus $100...Or if you are on a budget Drama Fever account and Viki Pass $50... Because you can watch every new drama on Kocowa for FREE under the 24 hour taste option. If you need to missed something and want to catch up or want to do a marathon of an older drama it is only .99 Cents for a 24 hour period to watch anything on the entire website. If you have a regular Viki pass account you can watch dramas released on Viki Pass Plus-Kocowa for free after 3 weeks. One main reasonswhy I pay for DF and Viki.... I can watch both on my Roku, and then DF has the offline viewing option...I don't find a Kocowa subscription worth it yet without those two features.
DF and Kocowa combined cost about $120 DF and VIKI Pass Plus- which includes Kocowa is $150 DF with Viki Pass is $100 and then all Kocowa Dramas are free under the 24 hour taste.
BTW...ALL DF licensed dramas are now free on MDL in the US, they usually pop up a week after they air on the website.
I dont know where you're from but Netflix UK uploads the weeks episodes up full subbed on Fridays, so only 5-6…
Netflix have over 100 million subscribers globally, who pay double what a Viki Pass costs. Netflix $1.3 million dollars for the global licensing rights to a single Kdrama, I guarantee you Viki isn't spending that type of money. Netflix as a company there isn't lacking resources to pay professionals. I am sure they can pay for advanced access... but I have noticed many of their Asian dramas have a few week delay or aired completely in their home country before they are added to Netflix's global market.
It appears the subs are being done legally on Viki only. (If you find them elsewhere that is where pulled from....)…
Your viki subscription pays for the host website, staff which obtain the dramas, legal council, international licensing fees, customer service, website developers and support....many other things you don't see. The subbers do get a free memberships so it is not without perks. If Viki paid professional subbers, there would be a massive hike in cost. The sheer number of people they would have to hire would be insane, there are thousands of volunteers. One of two things would happen, the amount of dramas would be reduced (there would be less money to spend on licensing, not enough people to take on the project) or or the membership cost would sharply increase. DramaFever costs the same as Viki for a basic membership. They have professional subbers but the content offered is significantly smaller. Kocowa pays professionals but the cost is $70 more a year ($50 on viki with the VPP) for dramas from KBS, MBC and SBS. When it comes down to it, professional subbers remove a lot of the personality from a drama. They are just trying to get the job done. It might take longer but the subs on Viki have a lot more depth and cultural insight to them, people working on these dramas. It comes from the heart, it's not a job. Faster isn't always better.
Why subs for this drama takes so long??? Uggggggggh >_
It appears the subs are being done legally on Viki only. (If you find them elsewhere that is where pulled from....) I think Netflix may have the rights to it after this, if so the network could be limiting the release of the drama to other sites. SINCE ....Viki dramas are subbed by a "global" team of volunteers, they are only worked on when people have free time. These people maybe asleep, at work, school, taking care of their families....They may not be free to start working on the drama when it is uploaded raw. Once they do start, it all depends on the complexity of the language and the skill level of those translating as to how quickly the process can be completed.
This drama doesn't seem to get uploaded until mid afternoon in the US, the subbing starts a little bit after that...The majority of the translation appears to happen between 5pm-midnight. Anything left undone usually means the editor has to go back through and catch what is left undone or needs to be fixed.
For some reason...It feels like a slightly older kdrama than it actually is.... Jo Yeo Jung isn't my favorite actress, in this drama especially. I found the romantic chemistry between her and Yeon Woo Jin extremely unnatural. I just can't picture them together as a couple no matter how much I wanted to believe it... Then when she tries to be cute, she seems way to old/mature to pull it off comfortably. She feels like his elder...not a partner even as the story moves along. Aigoo! I believe the script would have had a lot more potential if it had a different production team at the helm, and cast alterations...It was cute enough to keep me watching, but it could have been a lot better. I'll give it a 7.
We will see it all makes sense next week.
Kissasian and myasiantv illegally steal dramas and the subtitles from licensed sites....Unlike websites that use membership fees to PAY for licensing, they uploaded or copy what they find on Hulu, Netflix DramaFever, Viki, Viu and other global websites like them.... So of course they will have more options for viewing, but they don't have a restricted budget or the requirements set up by networks (copyright laws). YEA....They have faster subs because the steal those from whoever gets them completed the fastest.
The AVERAGE person who pays for Netflix isn't going to being scoping out pirate sites, unless they are ALREADY a diehard kdrama lover. For the record Hwayugi isn't on Netflix in US, it's only licensed on Viki. The general American view won't even know about it for the time being. If I mentioned it in conversation...most people I know would look at me blankly. Maybe they will offer it here in a few months, but so far nothing has been said.
Things are changing...There are more than 100 Kdramas on Netflix in the US a year ago there were maybe 25-30. I have noticed when I was in Europe and Mexico this year the selection is much smaller.
However as Netflix starts to produce THEIR OWN dramas in their studios the the selection globally will increase...They have the new studio in Korea they just acquired , and they just invested in over 600 hours of content from JTBC. At this time the selection might seem limiting, but Netflix is not far away from being a fierce global contender in the asian drama market.
I really believe...The delay is most likely part of an agreement they have with TVN or because netflix hires or contracts full-time paid professionals who are working on subbing several dramas. What gets released and when is all about the number of projects and managing time. Honestly, It really won't matter to most of the people who subscribe to the service.
I still watch dramas on Netflix from time to time, but the selection is still pretty limited, the release is a bit delayed ...Over time the offerings are increasing.... It was clear Netflix was going to get aggressive about the Kdrama market when they contracted 600 hours of content with JTBC last year. PLUS....the recent announcement they are filming and producing their own dramas starting this year, in the new studio they acquired in Seoul.
I'm excited to see what comes out of their new endeavors.
Once it is subbed on Viki other websites will take the subbers work, this is why other non-licensed sites are are delayed even later.
When they offer the Roku option then I might switch, that would be the only reason it seems worth the extra expense.
Kocowa is connected directly to the 3 big Korean TV networks so they have removed a middle man when to licensing, but they pay people to do the subbing.
Kocowa is basically renting space or lending its rights to Viki. Since they are doing the subbing with volunteers , viki can offered a reduced rate... $50 on viki vs $70 on Kocowa charges.
The actually best value is a Drama Fever account for $50 and a Viki pass plus $100...Or if you are on a budget Drama Fever account and Viki Pass $50... Because you can watch every new drama on Kocowa for FREE under the 24 hour taste option. If you need to missed something and want to catch up or want to do a marathon of an older drama it is only .99 Cents for a 24 hour period to watch anything on the entire website.
If you have a regular Viki pass account you can watch dramas released on Viki Pass Plus-Kocowa for free after 3 weeks.
One main reasonswhy I pay for DF and Viki....
I can watch both on my Roku, and then DF has the offline viewing option...I don't find a Kocowa subscription worth it yet without those two features.
DF and Kocowa combined cost about $120
DF and VIKI Pass Plus- which includes Kocowa is $150
DF with Viki Pass is $100 and then all Kocowa Dramas are free under the 24 hour taste.
BTW...ALL DF licensed dramas are now free on MDL in the US, they usually pop up a week after they air on the website.
Netflix $1.3 million dollars for the global licensing rights to a single Kdrama, I guarantee you Viki isn't spending that type of money. Netflix as a company there isn't lacking resources to pay professionals. I am sure they can pay for advanced access... but I have noticed many of their Asian dramas have a few week delay or aired completely in their home country before they are added to Netflix's global market.
The subbers do get a free memberships so it is not without perks.
If Viki paid professional subbers, there would be a massive hike in cost. The sheer number of people they would have to hire would be insane, there are thousands of volunteers. One of two things would happen, the amount of dramas would be reduced (there would be less money to spend on licensing, not enough people to take on the project) or or the membership cost would sharply increase. DramaFever costs the same as Viki for a basic membership. They have professional subbers but the content offered is significantly smaller. Kocowa pays professionals but the cost is $70 more a year ($50 on viki with the VPP) for dramas from KBS, MBC and SBS.
When it comes down to it, professional subbers remove a lot of the personality from a drama. They are just trying to get the job done. It might take longer but the subs on Viki have a lot more depth and cultural insight to them, people working on these dramas. It comes from the heart, it's not a job. Faster isn't always better.
SINCE ....Viki dramas are subbed by a "global" team of volunteers, they are only worked on when people have free time. These people maybe asleep, at work, school, taking care of their families....They may not be free to start working on the drama when it is uploaded raw. Once they do start, it all depends on the complexity of the language and the skill level of those translating as to how quickly the process can be completed.
This drama doesn't seem to get uploaded until mid afternoon in the US, the subbing starts a little bit after that...The majority of the translation appears to happen between 5pm-midnight. Anything left undone usually means the editor has to go back through and catch what is left undone or needs to be fixed.
Ep. 1.1 http://www.vlive.tv/video/59602
Ep. 1.2 http://www.vlive.tv/video/59600
Ep. 2.1 http://www.vlive.tv/video/59705
Ep. 2.2 http://www.vlive.tv/video/59704
Ep. 3.1 http://www.vlive.tv/video/59764
Ep 3. 2 http://www.vlive.tv/video/59763
Jo Yeo Jung isn't my favorite actress, in this drama especially. I found the romantic chemistry between her and Yeon Woo Jin extremely unnatural. I just can't picture them together as a couple no matter how much I wanted to believe it... Then when she tries to be cute, she seems way to old/mature to pull it off comfortably. She feels like his elder...not a partner even as the story moves along. Aigoo!
I believe the script would have had a lot more potential if it had a different production team at the helm, and cast alterations...It was cute enough to keep me watching, but it could have been a lot better. I'll give it a 7.