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Its not the same. Being manipulated goes up to a certain point before there's accountability. These two actively harmed people with Ah Jin. Again she pried Jun Seo away from her multiple times. Theses 2 are fully aware of how Ah Jin is. They know she is in the wrong. They still did it. Especially Jun Seo. They aren't being convinced she's the one in the right. This is more akin to someone turning their partner into an accomplice of a serious crime. Like, you can argue the victim of manipulation card once, but repeatedly? Unless the manipulation involves DV or blackmail, it gets to a point where personal accountability comes in.

And yes, I'd believe the very same thing if the genders were swapped.

I think thats the point. At least in the drama. Theres multiple times were meant to question if shes even a sociopath. She clearly exhibits some traits, but crying over that grandma? Punishing herself by breaking up with that actor boyfriend? Feeling guilty about her dad? Giving people who mess with her multiple chances.... I mean she did a lot that wasnt characteristic of a sociopath. Now it seems like the webtoon version she may have been a bit truer to that tag, But here I think what people are saying about much of this story being told from the POV of Jun Seo says a lot.

Well, about that speech with her mom.... she meant that lol. She was being authentic there, she said earlier in the drama she wanted her mom to watch over her and see her do well...but she meant it scornfully. I guess allowing everyone to assume she meant it how most people would was manipulative, but it was simultaneously an oddly authentic moment. Plus were talking about manipulations at the levels that got her called evil, not swaying a crowd like every celeb does.

Also, I dont think Jun Seo was ever a reliable ally and thats how Ah Jin saw it too. Especially during that whole thing with her dad. So she's been able to do a lot on her own or just with one other person. But I do think her biggest challenge would be people knowing who she is.... but she staged her death... so I think she found a way around that. As long as she stays away from people who knew her well, who would recognize someone who is supposed to be dead?

Jun Seo and Jae Oh were not manipulated to the same extent as those other 2. These 2 had plenty of opportunity to walk away and were her willing coconspirators in many of the bad things Ah Jin did. She forcefully removed Jun Seo from her side multiple times and constantly questioned Jae Oh about his sacrifices for her. They were beyond willing participants in her schemes. And Jun Seo did not love that girl. At least not the Drama version of Jun Seo.

The other 2 were actual victims blindsided by her manipulations.

pfffttt lol

Nahhhh, I wont lie, hes pretty stiff sometimes, even when the role doesnt call for it. But others he's great. Like no one can take away his performance in Christmas Carol. So hopefully here its one of his better performances. I love when idol turned actors take acting serious and make improvements. Like there was a time IU was terrible, and now shes considered globally recognized as an actress.

I'll be unbiased here....He has sometimey performances. He's GREAT in a lot of things and kinda stiff in others. I think he does well enough even in roles he's been kinda stiff in. Definitely not the worst of the idol actors.

At least in the drama... Jun seo is pretty terrible. I think a lot of webtoon readers think Drama Jun Seo and Webtoon Jun seo are the same. Its clear the writers decided to make drama Junseo's narcissism much more overt. From what I've heard it seemd like webtoon junseo is still narcissistic, but he's much better than the drama one.

Jun Seo did NOT sincerely love Ah Jin.

You can tell the writers in the drama don't like Jun Seo very much by how they used him at the end to reflect Ah Jin's abusive mother. The part where she pries his hand off of her to climb up the mountain and look back down on him is the same way she did to her mother in the first episode. The writers don't excuse Ah Jin, but they dont exactly excuse Jun Seo either.

Also, the drama and the webtoon are different stories. So yeah, the drama may be trying to portray something the webtoon did not. Using the webtoon which has a different storyline to justify what happens in the drama doesn't make sense. The characters change with the story. You can be mad but drama Ah Jin isnt webtoon Ah jin. And same with Jun seo.

THANK YOUUUU. I was looking at the comments like.... we cant have watched the same drama. Ah Jin was a bad person, case closed... but why is she considered to be so much more evil than 90% of the characters in this drama. Almost everyone in this drama was terrible. Especially Jun Seo. Mind you his book is called COCONSPIRATOR. He was right there with her. Yet he gets to be the hero unmasking the villain.

I feel bad for the FL. She only ever really wronged two people in her life... the baseball player and the actor boyfriend. I'm looking at the comments wondering if we all watched the same drama lol. Like I'm on board with you if you believe she deserved all that Karma from those 2.... bc ruining anyones life is enough....but as long as were on the same page of it being only those 2.

She was by no means a good person, but almost all the characters we went through that had a downfall due to her decided to wrong her first. Her mom, her dad, her homeroom teacher, the classmate, her company CEO, the senior actress, the police officer, her manager, Jun Seo's mom... like, was she just supposed to take it??? Did none of these other people manipulate or harm unrelated parties just to get to her? I just feel it odd that she's regarded as pure evil and others just "bad" or your run of the mill villains.

But was she really manipulating "anyone". She really only targeted people who were after her. The only two exceptions was the baseball player and the actor boyfriend. Literally everyone else in her path was not simply a "victim".

I agree there's no need for a second season, but I don't think this is the end for her. This is nothing new to her. Her pushing off Jun Seo's hand was so similar to the way she pushed off her mom's. And her climbing up the mountain and looking down at him was so similar to the young her who climbed those steps and watched her mom die. She's already tricked ppl into thinking she's dead, so clearly she's still got her tricks. And thats why I dont think we need a second season. I think its better for us to imagine what she's gonna do.

She visits her own grave at the end. She survived and probably changed her identity.

I could be wrong but I think after this drama ended, him and the FL dated and they dated up until just a couple years ago. But after that long relationship, he started dating another actress really soon after the breakup. The FL actress went on social media and in a shady post insinuated that he probably cheated on her. The other actress that he dated felt offended and insulted the FL even though the FL wasnt directing the insult toward her (though I get where the other actress was coming from bc it made her look like a "homewrecker"). The two actresses got into it and it hurt both of their reputations more than RJY. And he didn't come to the defense of the actress he was dating (they broke up just a day later) or his ex who is the FL.

My opinion on the whole scandal: what most likely happened is that he started dating the other actress and lied to her about when his break up happened. So he basically wronged both women and now both have a reputation of being mean and "pick mes" bc of him. So the FL probably has major beef with the ML.

Thats kind of ignorant to say. Ppl said the same about kdramas and kmovies just a few years ago. They were very controversial too. They used to love a good incest plot, ridiculous age gaps, inappropriate relationships with students, and constantly had SA framed as romantic. And a lot of these tropes are still in kdramas, they just slighly change the plot JUST enough to make it seem technically ok.

Yes, its possible to do all of that in 7 minutes. Most crimes play out quicker than you expect... I will admit its quite short though and the writers could've easily gone with 13 minutes which was still short but would be much more believable... But I think they chose 7 minutes to show how unwilling the prosecution was to give the benefit of doubt.

Plus before the dna and the bracelet, the 7 minutes was probably their biggest evidence. Thanks to his friends we know how long his deliveries take on average and im guessing its much shorter than 7 minutes. So it is a heck of a coincidence that one of his longest deliveries just so happens to be at the victims house.

Age gap isn't the issue. Its 1) how big the age gap is and 2) how old the younger partner was. To most adults, young adults are not true adults. You are just legally adults. You are old enough to do the basics as a human by yourself. But socially, you are not an adult. You are a baby adult. No matter how mature you think you are...you are brand new to adulting.

It is extremely weird for an older adult to seek you out as an equal romantic partner at that point in your life...KNOWING where you are since they've been through it. Most older adults choosing to date people this age are are preying on them. And just bc its legal doesn't make it right. So NO, only the older person is to blame.

He was arrested for other evidence that "proved" he was there. And like... how do you think modern crimes are solved? CCTV footage of ppl being near the crime scene is how a lot of ppl become suspects. I think this show has its flaws but like.... critique things that are true.

Sorry, did I say he was a groomer or a pedophile? No. So why did you bring that up to me? The SPECIFIC point I'm making is that its STILL creepy to many people around the world. Half the ppl arguing here aren't past 25 themselves so they don't even get it for real. Maybe even you. And if you are past 25, and then going this far to defend this... side eye.

Once upon a time you could find slavery no matter where you resided, does that make it ok? No. And LIKE YOU SAID EXACTLY. It is based on my viewpoint. And I know good and well a large chunk of the international community share my view that its creepy. Which is why I said this. I think a lot of koreans bc of cultural norms and young adults who don't understand the issue fully may still endorse him. But he's not going to recover his international fame to the same extent. Bc we find it creepy.