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Yup. He was already acting sus beforehand but that's when I knew he was a psycho.

They did a great job of keeping it subtle and real, even just going by some of the comments here. It’s so upsetting.

This drama is so upsetting because of how realistic it portrays all of this. And I think it has a lot of grace towards "imperfect victims", which I really appreciate.

The way the show handles emotional manipulators is really well done, as it's so realistic. He seems so compassionate and understanding on paper; it's easy in the moment to look past the controlling and emotionally manipulative actions (visible to FL, we know the really terrible stuff he's done).

I was happy for the FL's own peace of mind, but I definitely didn't forgive her mom for the physical and emotional abuse. The fact that the FL really thinks there's something to forgive makes me so sad for her. The senior guy is really the only decent person in her life; I'm glad they've managed to maintain a decent relationship and co-parent.

I agree, but I think there's still more to the story. We saw a flashback of teen!ML with his sister (haircutting, her riding away on the bike, and him breaking down), but he claims she left when he was 10 and never came back. I think the false accusation/jail, and whatever went down with the sister set him on a path of despising women and wanting to break them and bring them down, so they never have the power to hurt him.

I definitely thought he was lying until we saw the flashback in the end. Doesn't excuse anything he later did, of course.

I agree about the drama being raw and emotional. It's been a while since I felt viscerally repulsed while watching something. I don't think the main issue is her rushing into a relationship; I think the main issue is that ML needs to be in jail and far away from her. She's going to need so much therapy when this is all over.

His acting is so impressive. That look when she's at her lowest, like he's studying her/committing the moment to memory and also savoring it a bit? Chills.

I agree, I think she's dealing with a lot of guilt over both not realizing her friend was distressed for so long and also not answering the last phone call, both leading to her death. So she can't help trying to save other women in desperate situations.

That hamster thing was insane. I kept wondering if I imagined it or not.

IMO, the show does a good job with Luo Liang's manipulative and controlling behavior. I think, as an outsider audience, it's easy to clock his manipulative behavior, especially when we saw the hamster bite and the social media stalking. But his manipulative behavior feels subtle enough that you might overlook it in the moment, because of how compassionate and supportive he seems.

This dude definitely has issues, and I assume they'll be exploring it more and showing who the woman in the flashback is.

I don’t think so, because I think he was raised openly as the crown prince. Given that Duan Ziang was adopted by general Duan, it’s possible Hua Yi is the Duan biological son. Where he is now is the big question.

It’s a good question. But he pretty much did what he did last time: go to enemy headquarters and kill the general, lol. So that’s easy to predict. Maybe she figured there was a chance he’d be overwhelmed by their numbers and captured, so she prepared a plan B in advance.

I was grateful the last few episodes third prince had his hair up and fourth had it down, helped me to tell them apart lol.

I think you're right. He conveniently heard about this plague that spread so fast that word hadn't gotten out yet. Plus, he told Zhou to take care of Bai Jiu, and then Bai Jiu got kidnapped as bait.

I'm not sure there was always a partner. I think the original Baize goddess took both pieces into herself and Wan'er had both. Then with ZYZ and WX it split again.

Could be, would explain how he had the hair accessory.

I definitely think HaeS was the one possessed. There's a lot that's fishy about what happened, his father dying, him being sick, whatever the mom was trying to do, him being found in the woods (the wall said "when their symptoms worsen they wander in the woods"), the person who was fleeing the scene, the connection between his mom and San Young's father, whatever the grandmother knows.

The credit card the ghost used belongs to Yeom Hae Sang (not sure how she got her hands on it), he got a notification on his phone from the bank/credit card for a large bill.

Pretty sure the other user is correct and the blogger was attacked/killed by a hungry ghost like Hae Sang's friend (the flies were buzzing when his eyes turned red and in the bathroom, it's probably a sign of the hungry ghost's presence) that's possessing FL's friend.

I'm sure there will, there's a lot suspect about what happened in 1995- the dad died (ghost? unrelated?), ML got sick, mother took him east, trying to escape a ghost, buried whatever that was, had the hair accessory in the car and freaked out when he touched it, he heard the knocking and opened the door, mother managed to singe the hair accessory before dying, he's found in the woods. One of the things on the research wall mentioned that when symptoms get bad victims are found wandering the woods, I wonder if that's connected. We didn't see a double when he opened the door, just the shadow of the ghost, so if one of them was possessed we don't know which one. Could he always see ghosts and that's why he was targeted or did he start to see ghosts after this experience? Lots of unanswered questions about what happened back then even before wondering how FL's dad got the hair accessory.

I think my favorite was literally hundreds of people dying (suicide or the plague) but everyone has time and is in the mood for coffee dates and lunch in a restaurant.