I realize everyone wants Sorn and Jun get together as a couple in the end (and they will). But, IMO, that would…
"Where in any of this series has there been anything romotely like showing someone you care or being romantic, or even common courtesy?".
If we ignore all the controlling actions and or those that led to sex. Ended his thing with Penny, taken him home to meet the family, fed and cooked for him, a lot. Defended him against that female, Won the hippo for him. Drawing on his face was really cute and came from affection...
DISCLAIMER: If this wasn’t a Thai BL but an HBO show, Jun would’ve already had three emotionally devastating…
Sorn was right all along, he should never ever ever ever have got/get involved, sexually, romantically, emotionally with a 'kid' - young person/intern. Nor should any older person/higher up in a company, actually. Irrespective of how green/red flag they are. They'll always be the ones who will receive the criticism, bear the responsibility if/when it comes out, the shit hits the fan AND/or the younger/lower person decides to name, shame, tell.
Sorn, get out now, drive Spicy Jun to the airport, see him off, wish him well on his trip to Europe, exploring/ trying out his newly acquired sex skills. Rather, after trauma-addressing therapy, etc., you should move on, maybe f**k Tai instead. Some might be up for watching that BL sequel, I'd still favour a not quite as toxic but likely just as stubborn Jun/Sorn couple one, though. You are really good together, in BL-world.
There are already some great takes on Jun, but my ego got challenged and I have to be fair, so here’s a breakdown…
Wow, what an analysis. I agree that "...he (Jun) was never the problem. It was Sorn's inability to deal with his own trauma and Jun got pulled into it..." As did we voyeurs, voluntarily. And we're still very invested, some of us are rooting for them to be together. At the end.
So, what would this BL have turned out like had it have been Jom that Jun caught wanking off at the koi pond, I wonder? Actually, I don't. I have zero interest in a Jun/Jom bl, Jom aint hot (Sorn is) and their chemistry isn't sizzling (Jun and Sorn's is). IF the koi pond incident was real life, Sorn had invited/pressured Jun to join in, he would've been beaten up by his mates/Jun's bros and possibly had a trip to the police station. All his subsequent interactions with Jun would've/could've likely met with other severe consequences - sacking, sexual harassment prosecution, further beatings from relatives/friends etc., etc. .
I'm trying to think of a 'healthy' 'mutual' sexual experience between Sorn and Jun to counter all the 'bad' stuff, and I can't. There's affection, there's concern, there's generosity, love even BUT it's always spoilt, twisted, accompanied by some abusive/destructive act, dismissive comment that undermines it. And yet I want and am expecting a no longer toxic, happy ending for them. It has been said many times, it's a mess but one I'm very much enjoying watching and yes, I like the pair of them, together.
Ok, so, I love your in-depth analysis of Sorn BUT I think you're going a tad easy on Juin , particularly with…
Fair enough with regard to his right to explore and also that he might not have had sex with all of those I listed, he would definitely have been topped by Franz and it would've been his first full on anal sex experience. Now, which would you prefer for him to have that with - the slow-build until now with genuine concern, affection, actual albeit as yet unacknowledged, love from Sorn, or whatever Franz, or some other pissed, casual, backroom encounter might bring about? Had Sorn not been so jealous/protective then we'd be following the Juin/Franz detour/repercussions. That would not be my or most people's choice
Maybe a relationship with Jom or someone else, would be less toxic, for all the reasons/red flags Sorn has shown in abundance that have been pointed out again and again, but it's not really what either of their hearts want. Or most of us, despite the rantings about Sorn.
As a viewer, I'm still #TeamJun (*edit* he has his own story to tell and I'll do him later) ~ but I consider myself…
Ok, so, I love your in-depth analysis of Sorn BUT I think you're going a tad easy on Juin , particularly with regard to how many men he would have had sex with had Sorn not being so Jealous/protective - dealt severely with anyone who even looked at Juin. Only, by my reckoning, Juin would've had alcohol-fuelled one night stands with Pom (had Pom's boyfriend not intervened), the club owner, who's name I don't remember, Jom (just after he'd declared his love to Sorn) Sorn's brother, the girl who fleeced him. Plus, possibly non-drunken sex with his blond mate and Jom, again. AND god knows who else he happened to come across without Sorn keeping him occupied/an eye on him.
At the very least, Sorn saved Juin from all the hurt and emotional angst/trauma he would've gone through brought about by his own messy sexual episodes with multiple, forgettable partners.
AND Sorn pleasured him/taught him so so much. He's an expert now. No one is giving that enough credit.
She was excited about working on a tv series (as an angel) with co-stars that were ONLY 9 years older than her! In the second interview, age 17 (just) She talks about why she quit school at 16.
It strikes me that her life(style) , very different to your typical Korean schoolgirl/teen, whilst seemingly successful, glamorous and exciting, was also isolating and lonely.
Looking at her life over the years as I have in the last few days, (not knowing a whole lot about her before then) I just feel really sad. She put so much effort into life, picked herself up and tried, a number of times and was criticised/condemned at every attempt.
I shall watch some of her movies and tv shows, other than the one I've seen - Bloodhounds.
I'll start with the one where she's an angel, if I can find it. Think I've got The Man From Nowhere, somewhere, maybe. Always meant to watch it, but haven't, yet.
I'm trying to work out the logistics/chronology/timescale of their 'relationship' and how it played out.
According to accusations, they were dating from when she was 15. At that time she was in middle/secondary school AND a very successful child/adolescent actress, he was a successful actor but not as famous/successful as he is, well, has been recently, that's all over now, obviously. Both of them were very busy, back then. Plus, I should imagine, she had a manager/staff /family/friends who were with her a lot, taking care of her, she was, after all, still young. Did she live with her family? I can't imagine she lived alone, then. From when she was 17, he was in the army. So, how did their relationship develop/ play out exactly, in the very limited time that they could have been together? Was it conducted via meeting up (that has to have been very limited), phone, email, letters? Email was definitely around then so it should be easy to check her/their emails from back then.
No question, irrespective of whether they were dating back then or not, he has a lot to answer for - the lying/denial of a relationship, the seeming lack of support for her, the money issue, plus yes, EVEN if he only dated her from when she was an adult, it's still a very dodgy relationship - him being so much older, being a major player in the agency she was at/went to because of him, etc., etc..
But really, how did they manage to date when she was 15? Someone please tell me.
"The actress clarified in an interview with Hankyung.com on January 8th, saying, “It was just a photo I took with friends. The marriage rumor isn’t true.” When asked why she deleted the photo, she added, “It’s hard to explain, so I hope for your understanding.”
The rumors started on January 6th when Kim Sae Ron shared a photo on social media with the caption “Marry.” The image showed her posing with a man. Although she quickly deleted the post, it went viral online, sparking speculation about her marriage."
On January 7, Kim posted a caption reading “Marry” along with several photos with a man. The pictures featured her posing closely with a man, their faces blurred, while wearing matching outfits that resembled a couple’s attire, the photos also resembled what couples would usually take together.
As speculation grew that she meant she’s dating or getting married soon, Kim Sae Ron clarified through some media outlets that “the man is a friend, not a boyfriend, and the photos are not part of a wedding photoshoot.”
How did she die? Yes, suicide, but how? Not hanging, it seems like, drugs and/or alcohol maybe? She didn't leave a suicide note, from what has been reported. I'm surprised, she appears to have kept a diary, one would think that there would be some indication there of her state of mind at the time. Apparently, she also posted on Social Media. Sometime in January she seems to have posted, then deleted, photos of her with another man, stating 'marry'. She looked happy, (with the OTHER guy) several weeks prior to her death.
A suicide note/diary entries would help those who are left behind to understand, not blame themselves/others forever.
Saying that, It does seem like a LOT of people, I'm talking thousands, contributed to the sad state of her life. Anyone who has EVER attacked her on a site, yes, you too. Also, a lot of stupid, terrible practices in the Korean (drama) industry/culture are to blame - it appears she was punished and attacked from all sides, (while she was alive) with very little support. Who is most to blame, well...?
I've only seen her in one thing - Bloodhounds and thought she was good in that which makes me think that she would have transitioned well from being a child to an adult actor. It's a terrible shame.
I guess ya don't know what ahikikomori actually is ... jumped in without knowing wt series was gonna be about
You people! The first poster claimed I obviously didn't know what a hikikomori was. I do - most people who have lived in Japan would know. So, I guess you and that poster accept that I know what one is. Now I'm accused of being ignorant, lacking in compassion and empathy, because I didn't empathise with/show compassion for a FICTIONAL character in a drama, NOT a documentary. Whatever mental health issues a real person has should be identified/treatment attempted much earlier. ENABLING someone to spend 10 years of their life playing games is not appropriate treatment.
I don't like her as a character. I don't like her fixation on a statuette, I don't like that she has spent 10 years largely focussed on playing games. I don't like that she still immaturely nurtures a 10 year old crush and suddenly is motivated by a) the chance to own that silly statuette and b) to see the guy she crushes on again. I have no interest in following 'her story' any further.
What are you going to accuse me of next, I wonder?
I guess ya don't know what ahikikomori actually is ... jumped in without knowing wt series was gonna be about
Why would you assume that? Despite living in Japan for 8 years, having a Japanese husband, I never met a single hikikomori. Not surprising, really, though yes, I heard and read about them, seen them featured in other dramas. I did meet a fair number of parasite singles - she seemed halfway between the two, if I had to categorise her.
The fact that she was a selfish, immature parasite of over 10 years, still fixated on some stupid character statuette, is why I had no interest in watching her so called development. She should've grown up, be more responsible, got a personality sooner.
Maybe some people identify with/project themselves and therefore 'like' her character but she didn't interest me.
Did not like it. Watched 2 episodes, giving up. The female lead is pathetic, selfish and superficial - motivated solely by the Agatha statue. For 10 years did nothing except live off her father, play games. Didn't even bother to check in with the boy on the bike who was seriously injured, unlike her. Only wants to gush over the boy she had a crush on in school. Selfish, childish and immature, still. AND she lies.
If we ignore all the controlling actions and or those that led to sex. Ended his thing with Penny, taken him home to meet the family, fed and cooked for him, a lot. Defended him against that female, Won the hippo for him. Drawing on his face was really cute and came from affection...
Sorn, get out now, drive Spicy Jun to the airport, see him off, wish him well on his trip to Europe, exploring/ trying out his newly acquired sex skills. Rather, after trauma-addressing therapy, etc., you should move on, maybe f**k Tai instead. Some might be up for watching that BL sequel, I'd still favour a not quite as toxic but likely just as stubborn Jun/Sorn couple one, though. You are really good together, in BL-world.
So, what would this BL have turned out like had it have been Jom that Jun caught wanking off at the koi pond, I wonder? Actually, I don't. I have zero interest in a Jun/Jom bl, Jom aint hot (Sorn is) and their chemistry isn't sizzling (Jun and Sorn's is). IF the koi pond incident was real life, Sorn had invited/pressured Jun to join in, he would've been beaten up by his mates/Jun's bros and possibly had a trip to the police station. All his subsequent interactions with Jun would've/could've likely met with other severe consequences - sacking, sexual harassment prosecution, further beatings from relatives/friends etc., etc. .
I'm trying to think of a 'healthy' 'mutual' sexual experience between Sorn and Jun to counter all the 'bad' stuff, and I can't. There's affection, there's concern, there's generosity, love even BUT it's always spoilt, twisted, accompanied by some abusive/destructive act, dismissive comment that undermines it. And yet I want and am expecting a no longer toxic, happy ending for them. It has been said many times, it's a mess but one I'm very much enjoying watching and yes, I like the pair of them, together.
Maybe a relationship with Jom or someone else, would be less toxic, for all the reasons/red flags Sorn has shown in abundance that have been pointed out again and again, but it's not really what either of their hearts want. Or most of us, despite the rantings about Sorn.
At the very least, Sorn saved Juin from all the hurt and emotional angst/trauma he would've gone through brought about by his own messy sexual episodes with multiple, forgettable partners.
AND Sorn pleasured him/taught him so so much. He's an expert now. No one is giving that enough credit.
I just read an interview with Kim Sae Ron at 14 -https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/kim-sae-ron-interview-allure-korea-older-actors-adult-life-future/
and one at 17 -https://www.soompi.com/article/1022615wpp/kim-sae-ron-opens-left-school-acting
In the first, she talks (amongst other things) about being surrounded by adults - "...Everyone around me is an adult. There are so many people I’d love to get closer to, but since I’m still young, I don’t get many chances to meet them outside of work. Even if I want to see them, it’s hard to just say, ‘When can we meet up again?; I think once I get a little older, I’ll be able to approach my seniors, unnies, and oppas more comfortably..."
She was excited about working on a tv series (as an angel) with co-stars that were ONLY 9 years older than her!
In the second interview, age 17 (just) She talks about why she quit school at 16.
It strikes me that her life(style) , very different to your typical Korean schoolgirl/teen, whilst seemingly successful, glamorous and exciting, was also isolating and lonely.
Looking at her life over the years as I have in the last few days, (not knowing a whole lot about her before then) I just feel really sad. She put so much effort into life, picked herself up and tried, a number of times and was criticised/condemned at every attempt.
I shall watch some of her movies and tv shows, other than the one I've seen - Bloodhounds.
I'll start with the one where she's an angel, if I can find it. Think I've got The Man From Nowhere, somewhere, maybe. Always meant to watch it, but haven't, yet.
I'm trying to work out the logistics/chronology/timescale of their 'relationship' and how it played out.
According to accusations, they were dating from when she was 15. At that time she was in middle/secondary school AND a very successful child/adolescent actress, he was a successful actor but not as famous/successful as he is, well, has been recently, that's all over now, obviously. Both of them were very busy, back then. Plus, I should imagine, she had a manager/staff /family/friends who were with her a lot, taking care of her, she was, after all, still young. Did she live with her family? I can't imagine she lived alone, then. From when she was 17, he was in the army. So, how did their relationship develop/ play out exactly, in the very limited time that they could have been together? Was it conducted via meeting up (that has to have been very limited), phone, email, letters? Email was definitely around then so it should be easy to check her/their emails from back then.
No question, irrespective of whether they were dating back then or not, he has a lot to answer for - the lying/denial of a relationship, the seeming lack of support for her, the money issue, plus yes, EVEN if he only dated her from when she was an adult, it's still a very dodgy relationship - him being so much older, being a major player in the agency she was at/went to because of him, etc., etc..
But really, how did they manage to date when she was 15? Someone please tell me.
https://www.mymusictaste.com/news/is-kim-sae-ron-getting-married-she-speaks-out-on-marriage-rumors,11517/
"The actress clarified in an interview with Hankyung.com on January 8th, saying, “It was just a photo I took with friends. The marriage rumor isn’t true.” When asked why she deleted the photo, she added, “It’s hard to explain, so I hope for your understanding.”
The rumors started on January 6th when Kim Sae Ron shared a photo on social media with the caption “Marry.” The image showed her posing with a man. Although she quickly deleted the post, it went viral online, sparking speculation about her marriage."
https://www.instagram.com/jazminemedia_/p/DEr6dqBqpuq/?img_index=1
"Actress Kim Sae Ron (24) recently found herself amidst unexpected marriage rumors because of her posts on Instagram!
On January 7, Kim posted a caption reading “Marry” along with several photos with a man. The pictures featured her posing closely with a man, their faces blurred, while wearing matching outfits that resembled a couple’s attire, the photos also resembled what couples would usually take together.
As speculation grew that she meant she’s dating or getting married soon, Kim Sae Ron clarified through some media outlets that “the man is a friend, not a boyfriend, and the photos are not part of a wedding photoshoot.”
A suicide note/diary entries would help those who are left behind to understand, not blame themselves/others forever.
Saying that, It does seem like a LOT of people, I'm talking thousands, contributed to the sad state of her life. Anyone who has EVER attacked her on a site, yes, you too. Also, a lot of stupid, terrible practices in the Korean (drama) industry/culture are to blame - it appears she was punished and attacked from all sides, (while she was alive) with very little support. Who is most to blame, well...?
I've only seen her in one thing - Bloodhounds and thought she was good in that which makes me think that she would have transitioned well from being a child to an adult actor. It's a terrible shame.
I don't like her as a character. I don't like her fixation on a statuette, I don't like that she has spent 10 years largely focussed on playing games. I don't like that she still immaturely nurtures a 10 year old crush and suddenly is motivated by a) the chance to own that silly statuette and b) to see the guy she crushes on again. I have no interest in following 'her story' any further.
What are you going to accuse me of next, I wonder?
Despite living in Japan for 8 years, having a Japanese husband, I never met a single hikikomori.
Not surprising, really, though yes, I heard and read about them, seen them featured in other dramas. I did meet a fair number of parasite singles - she seemed halfway between the two, if I had to categorise her.
The fact that she was a selfish, immature parasite of over 10 years, still fixated on some stupid character statuette, is why I had no interest in watching her so called development. She should've grown up, be more responsible, got a personality sooner.
Maybe some people identify with/project themselves and therefore 'like' her character but she didn't interest me.
Oh, and has a very boring personality.
Also, how can it be ok that they are bugging her?