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Never said I would have to see a constantly I just never saw one of these points to make me believe that it was emotional Abuse. And I don't have to be spoonfed everything I'm answering a question you ask me of why I don't see it the way you see it. And that is why I believe it is Manipulation. Having a difference of opinion doesn't make me wrong it also doesn't make me inclined to agree with you. And so what if the screen writer Made Jane say what she said That's a snub on the screen writers part For having a vague interpretation of emotional abuse from my perspective. If you see that good for you I don't and I am gonna leave it at that. Have a good one

He didn't do any of this what he did the majority of the time was ask her to sleep with these guys and not tell anyone because it would ruin both their lives

I can see that you quickly read and don't understand but because you said that manipulation is a form of abuse I gave you an example of manipulation and by your understanding that is abuse right? Because any form of manipulation is abuse Is what your saying right?

For me and I can only speak for myself .for it to be depicted as emotional abuse I would have had to see pued undermines her sense of self-worth. Iwould See him constantly criticising her Meaning every aspect of her, Also something like cutting her off From any network of friends. And controlling the majority of her life. These are just some of the basic Forms of emotional abuse that I have learned.

I guess if a car salesmen manipulates me into buying a car then by your understanding I was abused into buying it. You can manipulate the situation without it being abuse.

And I've used the word abuse many times in my comments as I do not see the emotional abuse

I am not afraid of the word abuse and I will use it when it is necessary and I do stand by my statement that she was manipulated Because manipulation by definition is to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose. So yeah Jane was manipulated so that Pued can gain power. Also if you actually read the comments thoroughly I said coerce wouldn't be a word I would use because We did not see him use force or threats to make Jane sleep with those men. And while I said he did persuade her I never said he coerced her. But Hey it's OK if you see everything as abuse and the only justification I guess you are just afraid of the word manipulation.

Hey if you want to say that any Mental health profession would look at their relationship and see abuse you can stand by your statement. If you only need to base it off of your one family member's opinion you can stand by that too. and I guess I am just being stubborn for seeing something that's different from you but I guess it is what it is. You see abuse, I don't.

At any point did I say that her trying to help other girls is a bad thing at any point did I say what she was feeling was not valid my point was that it was her choice. Also I'm making assumptions upon assumptions just as your making because we don't know the whole story We are being shown this from the perspective of her sister who is untrustworthy so of course I have to make assumptions I cannot say that it is fact. Also I compared her experience to other girls because she had The Choice to leave she was not smuggled in. She got to go to work and go about her life while I am sure she has suffered traumas as she did experience the same thing while being inside that cabin. At the end of the day how she got there compared to the others is of her own choice. And that's what I meant with my statement everything else about her suffering and all that I never spoke about that. I'm speaking about the surface layer of how she ended up where she ended up.

Yes you did and if you read your comment you would see that you stated that any mental health professional would see that what jane was experiencing was emotional abuse and that is a generalized statement because you're basing that off of your one family member's opinion.

Unfortunately that's the world we live in and while thinking about what you said about him being a sociopath I was not too surprised that he hit her in that moment. she was basically calling him Weak and powerless and I believe emasculating him And when a person is not in control of something and they feel trapped they tend to physically lash out.

I was just affirming that YOU said that your statement was not generalized. When it actually was. You stated "I'm not speaking from my own perspective I am speaking in general" This statement makes what your saying generalized.

Yes I understand everything that your saying and while I can't say anything about the physical abuse because he only hit her in retaliation to her exposing his dirty deeds I cannot say that throughout their entire relationship he was hurting her physically. The fact that you see this at your workplace Is unfortunate and I understand why you feel so strongly about this and while I may not have the same opinion as you i respectect everything that your saying.

Um how can every relationship portrayed like Jane in pueds not be emotionally abusive per your own words " I didn't say EVERY relationship like Jane and pued's is emotionally abusive" But then go on rants to tell me that anyone would see that this is an emotional abusive relationship. I get that you said it's not generalized but You were very strong willed in saying that a relationship like jane and pueds is emotional abuse and while I didn't see that. It is what you Are claiming.

We are going around in circles and you believe it's emotional abuse and I don't it's as simple as that. My original statement still stands that she had a choice and whether you think that choice is because of the emotional abuse then there you have it.

Thank you for giving your explanation on why you Believe he is a sociopath. While I take into consideration everything your saying I also wanted to add that while he was in power with Jane he was never in powered with the true ringleaders of the sex trafficking. He wanted to gain that power. Jane understood this and she new he wanted that. And thank you for stating that he did give her a choice which was my whole point of this but I do believe that you are correct the relationship was very toxic and her love for him is what fueled her to make that choice in the 1st place which he did use to his Personal gain.

Thank you for your kind words and I definitely understand what you are saying the words used have a very serious impact. That is why I ask people who commented To further explain what they mean. While some may see it as emotional abuse I don't But I will never tell someone that their wrong Looking at something a certain way. It's always explaining why you see it this way.

So you generalised your statement And because you have a family member who watch the show with you and apparently works in the field and has clients like this They assume that yes this is emotional abuse. I am just Summarising what your saying. I cannot refute what your family member says if they work in the field but again as I am stating I don't believe she was emotionally abused. but if you have a medically trained person with you, Again I can't refute what your saying.

I would not classify myself as arguing, we are having a discussion as I am having with you. with them I would say I was clarifying my thoughts and having them understand Why I made my statement. And if you clearly read through all the comments and rebuttals, if you want, you would see that there was no malicious intent. If you want me to see your viewpoint I have no problem with that but I will also explain mine

So this brings Me to question are you Licence mental health professional or are you basing your commentary on personal knowledge and your general understanding of the terms included? Also I don't know how they would respond but from MY perspective I would not classify this as mental/ emotional abuse. as someone else stated in the comments there was definitely a power dynamic and manipulation but I would not classify that as abuse.

I apologize if I misinterpreted what you are commenting but I have seen other comments that stated that Jane had absolutely no choice in the matter and that it was 100% peuds doing and forced her into it.

And that doesn't mean that they have been either. That's Why they have therapy so that they can determine whether a person is and the ramifications that come from that it's not just something you can decide.