You are correct. Souls don't have sexualities. I love that YS was brave enough to allow himself to BE in love with Hayeon as a man because that is the body Haeyon the soul inhabits in this lifetime. What could be more NOT het than expressly choosing a d**k over a v***a because the former is what your loved one has in this lifetime?
Plus, at the very end we have YS EXPLICITYLY saying, to his five-tailed fox AND his lover that I am a man, you are a man, and I choose you AS a man. That is who I love. Does he have to paint it out in English on the pavement?
I do wish the script had dwelt more specifically on that conundrum.
I have to say that I am extremely impressed with the cast of this series. Jin Gun and Jeon Chang Ha were amazing…
"The look and feel of this series, is an homage to the films of Nancy Meyers and Nora Ephron. " Really? I bet the makers of this film don't know who those people are. You're right about the Autumn colors though. Beautiful.
Jin Gun has potential. Wish to see him in future projects.
AGREED. BRAVO on his performance, especially in this episode. I was a basket case because his grief and despair was REAL. Now if we could just get the other half of the MC to learn to cry without looking like he's going to sneeze.
Jin Gun's acting in this episode was off-the-charts excellent. That is work that would hold up well in a well-made feature film. I cried the last 2/3 of the ep because his pain was so utterly believable and I felt like I was a fly on the wall, invading someone's private agony. BRAVO.
I liked this show a lot, but Jeon Chang Ha's acting was weak in all of the sad/intense scenes and the number of cliche/trope plot points was irritating. I will never understand why BLs, especially high-quality ones like this, continue to use the same silly scenes over and over again. Trip/Catch/Fall, injuries, flying off abroad as soon as things get rough, rolling a high-end, upright suitcase to the car, running through streets when taking a cab would be a LOT faster, and on and on...WHY do they keep repeating this shit? How hard would it be to write some new material?
By the way, JCH was smokin' hot with his hair brushed back and in that sharp suit. Good heavens.
the scriptwriting for this is seriously ahead of the game. no bl drama has done this well in all marks; story,…
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I liked this show a lot, but Jeon Chang Ha's acting was weak in all of the sad/intense scenes and the number of cliche/trope plot points was irritating. I will never understand why BLs, especially high-quality ones like this, continue to use the same silly scenes over and over again. Trip/Catch/Fall, injuries, flying off abroad as soon as things get rough, rolling a high-end, upright suitcase to the car, running through streets when taking a cab would be a LOT faster, and on and on...WHY do they keep repeating this shit?
I never thought about it that way, you make a good point but I also watched this movie 2 years ago. I'm sure if…
I often watch scenes like that through my fingers. Last night I think I watched this scene with my hands over my mouth in horror. I do NOT like gratuitous violence in film. I hate slasher/gore flicks and I don't enjoy watching people get tortured even though I know it's fake. Special effects have become so sophisticated that everything looks explicitly real so it may be hard to take regardless. In this case though the violence is integral to the story, including the severity of it, so I didn't find it gratuitous at all, just really hard to watch. The worst part was how he just kept at it for the longest time, going back and forth between which one he was beating up, ending with the brother, completely naked, wrapping himself around his brother's legs and pleading with him to just fucking stop. It was intense.
Over the last two years as I've discovered and then opened the floodgates to Asian cinema in my life, one of the surprising elements of my admiration has turned out to be the amazing finesse and convincing realism most movies put into their fight scenes, of whatever kind. Never a big fan of Hollywood crime/revenge/thrillers, I've come to respect the stunning job most Asian films of that nature do with fight scenes. I respect the endless hours of choreography, rehearsal and filming that obviously goes into them. Some are big scenes, involving many multiple actors/stunt men and yet I have almost never been able to pick out anything looking fake anywhere on the screen, even among the background players. I've never seen anything like it.
Now, what's in Lost To Shame is nowhere near that of course, but for what it is it is done to perfection. Nothing low-budget looking about that scene. I think maybe what was going on in my head was as much "what the fuck is your problem? Why is this such a HUGE deal and why are you reacting so vehemently since you already knew your friend was gay and hello?, but your brother is a feaking ballet/jazz dancer, for god's sake! What? You're in theatre and you're not aware of how many gay men are in theatre/dance/performance?" And he just kept going and going and going...then when the bookshelf fell on his brother's leg I almost had a stroke. It just did not, and does not, really make sense or ring true to me.
I watched the film late last night and as you can see from my babbling, it is very much on my mind. I think I want to find a way to square the lead's horrendous reaction to his discovery with what seemed to me to be an obvious friendly affection for the trans woman who befriended him and the other LGBT folks at the meetings. She sang that song right AT him and he still seemed to authentically not get why afterward, asking her what was wrong. He seemed to go see his brother in the hospital, not to seek forgiveness but to justify his actions as though they could be rationalized. He wasn't on his knees, Asian-style, begging forgiveness, but on his feet demanding they "talk." The level of assholery is breath-taking. Even when he's on the floor drunk and crying, it is because he sees himself as the victim. How DARE they hold a grudge, accuse him, make him feel bad, hold him responsible? Didn't they know he did it for his brother's own good?
I'm sorry I'm going on so long about this but it has really gripped me and I can't make it seem to make sense. Even at the very end, on the stage, he is screaming, demanding his justification. He wants an apology, dammit!
So anyway, I guess we are different. :) I will DEFINITELY watch this again and probably soon. I always discover a lot about a movie that I missed the first time so maybe the clues to what I want to know are there but they're small and take looking for. I don't seem to care how much a flick "messes me up." If it's a high-quality project like this one that stays on my mind I am going back in. lol
What if the lead is actually gay too? Wouldn't that explain the over-the-top violence with which he reacted to the reality that his brother is gay? He wasn't attacking his brother so much as the part of HIMSELF he hates and despises most? I just finished this and am still reacting emotionally but I don't recall anything in the flick to indicate the lead as straight. A girlfriend or two? No. Talk of some girlfriend from that past or anything at all that would indicate he was straight? NOTHING. Am I wrong? Please let me know, if so.
He is very attractive; lots of women would be interested in dating him. But there is not one around.
I still haven't wrapped my head around the idea of someone who could be THAT incredibly DENSE. He seemed to genuinely like the transgender and gay people he met at that meeting and the trans woman he got to know and who sang at him so well near the end. He accepted his friend/his brother's BF as gay without any reservations that I could see. No stifling of negative refllex,, nothing. But then, after what he did to his friend and his brother he expects to be forgiven if he just keeps at it. Even in his shrieking breakdown onstage at the end it was all about HIM and how he didn't feel he did anything wrong, why "are you torturing me?" kind of stuff. Wow, I need to read some comment threads on IMDB I think.
This is a great flick. As fucked up as it got, I like fucked up things quite a bit in my fiction.
How can you be sure the lead is straight? I'm not sure he isn't but as I think about this flick in the aftermath I realize he has no girlfriend, no talk of a girlfriend unless I missed it, there is no talk about any in the past, so how are we so sure he's straight? The ultra-violence with which he attacked his brother can easily be read as an attack on the part of HIMSELF he hates the most.
Holy shit. Well, that just blew me halfway across the room. I am so full of questions but to emotional right now to focus on putting them in words.
This has been on my to-watch list forever and I don't know what kept me from watching sooner. Something about the poster, as shallow as that is. But I came across it online while hunting for another film and decided to strap it on. And had I known what I was getting into that would be the phrase I would have used.
I just watched the BL cut of this featuring the characters of Won Suk, the gay brother and Ho Dol the university student/tutor. I'll never get to see where their relationship was going to go, of course, but I was deeply touched by the portion of it I got to witness. The evolving possibility that the gorgeously handsome player Won suk, played by equally attractive actor Cha In Ha, might be falling in love with the beautifully soulful but not so handsome Ho Dol, played by super-talented actor Jang Yoo Sang, makes for a charming and unique story line.
I have seen Jang Yoo Sang in four or five films at this point, maybe more, and it has gotten to where I seek out him and his work. I find him utterly engaging, sweet and sensitive, like the characters he mostly plays to this point. I was even with him in the short film "Brake" when he did a very bad thing to a very bad person who maybe deserved it. But JYS is also extremely gifted as an actor, using his face, eyes and body language in varied combinations to become the characters he plays. I don't think he has landed a lead role yet but I hope he does so soon.
Then there is Cha In Ha. How could I watch this again without the knowledge of his passing coloring everything he did on screen? If sad could be a color, that would be what I saw as I watched him so skillfully portray an externally flawless young man who carries profound wounds (flaws?) on the inside where no one can see them. CIH's charisma, confidence, emanent strength and apparent groundedness as Won Suk are a joy to behold. The way Won Suk deals with those who mess with people he cares about is inspiring, particularly after we find out all he has overcome, and in some cases is still wrestling with, inside.
That this seemingly flawless man, Cha In Ha, was desperately fighting his own, real-life demons, and that ultimately they overpowered him is almost too much to bear. It pisses me off that his family and his agency are still sitting on the official cause of death when we all know what it was. IG posts in the days before his passing make very clear what happened. His agency must have rewarded his family handsomely for their silence.
But it is profoundly dispiriting to know that the insanely maniacal Korean Netizens and the Korean entertainment industry in general have claimed another beautiful young life as a notch on their belts. Seriously, fuck these people. I cannot begin to imagine what drove CIH, with all his many gifts, god-given and self-determined, to choose suicide. It was something beyond powerful; it had to have been. I remember, in reading about him months ago, that he died at 27, just like my Kim Jong Hyun who checked out just over four years ago. Gobsmacking.
Plus, at the very end we have YS EXPLICITYLY saying, to his five-tailed fox AND his lover that I am a man, you are a man, and I choose you AS a man. That is who I love. Does he have to paint it out in English on the pavement?
I do wish the script had dwelt more specifically on that conundrum.
Jin Gun's acting in this episode was off-the-charts excellent. That is work that would hold up well in a well-made feature film. I cried the last 2/3 of the ep because his pain was so utterly believable and I felt like I was a fly on the wall, invading someone's private agony. BRAVO.
I liked this show a lot, but Jeon Chang Ha's acting was weak in all of the sad/intense scenes and the number of cliche/trope plot points was irritating. I will never understand why BLs, especially high-quality ones like this, continue to use the same silly scenes over and over again. Trip/Catch/Fall, injuries, flying off abroad as soon as things get rough, rolling a high-end, upright suitcase to the car, running through streets when taking a cab would be a LOT faster, and on and on...WHY do they keep repeating this shit? How hard would it be to write some new material?
By the way, JCH was smokin' hot with his hair brushed back and in that sharp suit. Good heavens.
I liked this show a lot, but Jeon Chang Ha's acting was weak in all of the sad/intense scenes and the number of cliche/trope plot points was irritating. I will never understand why BLs, especially high-quality ones like this, continue to use the same silly scenes over and over again. Trip/Catch/Fall, injuries, flying off abroad as soon as things get rough, rolling a high-end, upright suitcase to the car, running through streets when taking a cab would be a LOT faster, and on and on...WHY do they keep repeating this shit?
Over the last two years as I've discovered and then opened the floodgates to Asian cinema in my life, one of the surprising elements of my admiration has turned out to be the amazing finesse and convincing realism most movies put into their fight scenes, of whatever kind. Never a big fan of Hollywood crime/revenge/thrillers, I've come to respect the stunning job most Asian films of that nature do with fight scenes. I respect the endless hours of choreography, rehearsal and filming that obviously goes into them. Some are big scenes, involving many multiple actors/stunt men and yet I have almost never been able to pick out anything looking fake anywhere on the screen, even among the background players. I've never seen anything like it.
Now, what's in Lost To Shame is nowhere near that of course, but for what it is it is done to perfection. Nothing low-budget looking about that scene. I think maybe what was going on in my head was as much "what the fuck is your problem? Why is this such a HUGE deal and why are you reacting so vehemently since you already knew your friend was gay and hello?, but your brother is a feaking ballet/jazz dancer, for god's sake! What? You're in theatre and you're not aware of how many gay men are in theatre/dance/performance?" And he just kept going and going and going...then when the bookshelf fell on his brother's leg I almost had a stroke. It just did not, and does not, really make sense or ring true to me.
I watched the film late last night and as you can see from my babbling, it is very much on my mind. I think I want to find a way to square the lead's horrendous reaction to his discovery with what seemed to me to be an obvious friendly affection for the trans woman who befriended him and the other LGBT folks at the meetings. She sang that song right AT him and he still seemed to authentically not get why afterward, asking her what was wrong. He seemed to go see his brother in the hospital, not to seek forgiveness but to justify his actions as though they could be rationalized. He wasn't on his knees, Asian-style, begging forgiveness, but on his feet demanding they "talk." The level of assholery is breath-taking. Even when he's on the floor drunk and crying, it is because he sees himself as the victim. How DARE they hold a grudge, accuse him, make him feel bad, hold him responsible? Didn't they know he did it for his brother's own good?
I'm sorry I'm going on so long about this but it has really gripped me and I can't make it seem to make sense. Even at the very end, on the stage, he is screaming, demanding his justification. He wants an apology, dammit!
So anyway, I guess we are different. :) I will DEFINITELY watch this again and probably soon. I always discover a lot about a movie that I missed the first time so maybe the clues to what I want to know are there but they're small and take looking for. I don't seem to care how much a flick "messes me up." If it's a high-quality project like this one that stays on my mind I am going back in. lol
Have a good one. :D
He is very attractive; lots of women would be interested in dating him. But there is not one around.
I still haven't wrapped my head around the idea of someone who could be THAT incredibly DENSE. He seemed to genuinely like the transgender and gay people he met at that meeting and the trans woman he got to know and who sang at him so well near the end. He accepted his friend/his brother's BF as gay without any reservations that I could see. No stifling of negative refllex,, nothing. But then, after what he did to his friend and his brother he expects to be forgiven if he just keeps at it. Even in his shrieking breakdown onstage at the end it was all about HIM and how he didn't feel he did anything wrong, why "are you torturing me?" kind of stuff. Wow, I need to read some comment threads on IMDB I think.
This is a great flick. As fucked up as it got, I like fucked up things quite a bit in my fiction.
This has been on my to-watch list forever and I don't know what kept me from watching sooner. Something about the poster, as shallow as that is. But I came across it online while hunting for another film and decided to strap it on. And had I known what I was getting into that would be the phrase I would have used.
This is the reason I love film and theatre.
9.5/10
I have seen Jang Yoo Sang in four or five films at this point, maybe more, and it has gotten to where I seek out him and his work. I find him utterly engaging, sweet and sensitive, like the characters he mostly plays to this point. I was even with him in the short film "Brake" when he did a very bad thing to a very bad person who maybe deserved it. But JYS is also extremely gifted as an actor, using his face, eyes and body language in varied combinations to become the characters he plays. I don't think he has landed a lead role yet but I hope he does so soon.
Then there is Cha In Ha. How could I watch this again without the knowledge of his passing coloring everything he did on screen? If sad could be a color, that would be what I saw as I watched him so skillfully portray an externally flawless young man who carries profound wounds (flaws?) on the inside where no one can see them. CIH's charisma, confidence, emanent strength and apparent groundedness as Won Suk are a joy to behold. The way Won Suk deals with those who mess with people he cares about is inspiring, particularly after we find out all he has overcome, and in some cases is still wrestling with, inside.
That this seemingly flawless man, Cha In Ha, was desperately fighting his own, real-life demons, and that ultimately they overpowered him is almost too much to bear. It pisses me off that his family and his agency are still sitting on the official cause of death when we all know what it was. IG posts in the days before his passing make very clear what happened. His agency must have rewarded his family handsomely for their silence.
But it is profoundly dispiriting to know that the insanely maniacal Korean Netizens and the Korean entertainment industry in general have claimed another beautiful young life as a notch on their belts. Seriously, fuck these people. I cannot begin to imagine what drove CIH, with all his many gifts, god-given and self-determined, to choose suicide. It was something beyond powerful; it had to have been. I remember, in reading about him months ago, that he died at 27, just like my Kim Jong Hyun who checked out just over four years ago. Gobsmacking.