Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but I guess I have higher expectations for Taiwanese BLs. I thought the…
In ep 4 at the 3:45 mark the ghost said he only hears them occasionally. And as we know, when he does hear them on those occasions, Jiang Chi is the only one to make them go away.
I dropped it after ep 2 and wondered if things changed so I came back to comments to check. But from what I see from everyone, it has not gotten any better. To the contrary, it's been dragging on even longer with further episodes.
I genuinely wonder why this got a season 2. I am not being facetious, I truly just wonder, because I don't recall any great love for season 1. Meanwhile, one of my personal favorites, Old Fashioned Cupcake, was uber popular, trended on Twitter, has a volume 2 manga, and yet did not get a sequel. Given the comparison between the two, I wonder what qualifies something for a sequel. Anyone know?
I don't hate this or anything. but I get no pleasure from it either and if it weren't on the World of BL schedule…
I checked comments to see if I'd made right choice when I dropped it at ep 2. Looks like I did. Many are bored with it, but I pay particular attention to your comments cuz I tend to agree with your tastes.
I know! That scene freaked me out. The director had no problem portraying convicts so desperate for sex that they'd diddle sheep, yet he did not show them engaging in gay sex, which is far more common for convicts.
Surbhi, I swear, I see you on EVERY movie I choose to watch. You win for watching more Asian movies than anyone else I know!
Dog Bite Dog is a movie wherein we see a hitman kill 9 people including his mark, cops and a number of innocent bystanders. Watching him butcher so many people, I would hate him in one moment, and then see him with his love interest and suddenly want him to live so that he could redeem himself by loving her.
He wasn’t used to feeling anything at all, let alone love. This was a person who’d grown up scavenging for discarded food at a landfill in Cambodia. As for landfills, it fascinating that he chose another landfill in Hong Kong to seek refuge after almost getting caught by the cops. He didn’t go to some nice park to unwind. Nope, he chose a landfill! That is what spoke of familiarity and home to this guy. I also noted that when the hitman fought with the cop, Wai, at the landfill he was biting Wai’s shoulder. The director was portraying him as a wild dog biting and chewing on human flesh.
Indeed, he was one of the Dogs in the title, “Dog Bites Dog.” The cop, Wai, was the other dog. Sure, Wai wasn’t as murderous as the hitman at first, but the signs were there that he was on his way to becoming so. Dang, he was breaking laws everywhere right from the start. He was constantly beating the shit out of witnesses. He gave drugs to informants in exchange for info. Presumably, Wai got those drugs from the police evidence room where cops keep drugs they take off drug dealers. Or he bought the drugs from dealers on the street. Either way, he got them illegally.
Overall, Wai was portrayed as violent, unruly and unethical. But he still had a father, his partner and colleagues he cared for, and they all humanized him. By the end he has lost all of them – and is now as alone in the world as the hitman was at the start of the movie. Accordingly, Wai also loses all morality, so much so that he even stabs a pregnant woman to death. He has now become inhuman. That is to say, he is now the Wild Dog.
The hitman, meanwhile, has become human via love for his wife and the impending birth of his child. He now has the family that Wai lost – and lost because the hitman killed all of them except dad, who killed himself. One can justify Wai’s angry lust for revenge. What’s amazing is that even though Wai was justified in wanting to kill the hitman, I wanted the hitman to continue his life as fruit picker with his new wife and baby. It’s a testament to the movie’s brilliance at portraying moral gray zones that I could sympathize with a hitman I’d witnessed killing 9 people.
It was a risky move for the writers to ask us to sympathize with such a character. And that was what they were knowingly doing by creating his tender, loving relationship with the girl. The writer/director created this moral gray zone by depicting the hitman holding the girl's hand, helping her walk after she'd injured her foot,, feeding her and just being all around attentive. In short, he is in love. It’s not only his first romantic love, but his first experience with any kind of love at all. We know that he never had the love of a family because he had grown up with a scumbag fight club owner. We know this, in turn, because he called the scumbag “dad” and, moreover, the scumbag said that he’d picked the hitman up off the street as a kid like a “stray dog.”
The scumbag and other dead-eyed boy fighters were all the hitman had ever known in his empty, brutal world where the only goal was to fill his belly and sleep somewhere warm. So his first experience with love – an abstract, emotional need rather than a physical need – had to have hit him with the awesome power of a thousand storms. But love ain’t enough to save him when the cop Wai is on the trail.
The hitman gained a family right as Wai lost his family, such that it was now Wait’s turn to live in a violent, soulless world working at a fight club. He even got one of the number tattoos on his neck that designated orphaned males after Pol Pot's Cambodian holocaust, and thus he blended in with the real men of the Cambodian Lost Generation. In other words, he had traded places with the hitman both literally and figuratively. He had nothing to live for except revenge.. And he was going to get revenge, even if he had to die for it. Which, of course, he did at the end
Now, about the ending. Wow, cutting that baby out was so unexpected and original! I’ve never seen this in a movie before. I also LOVED the way the hitman held the infant up to the sky, as if offering his gratitude to the heavens for its birth. Then, man-oh-man, the very final shot of the infant’s fist rising up toward the sun outdid that with an even more powerful message of hope.
I just discovered it during this show. Then I went and researched it to learn why. It's about 3 reasons:
1) China is so big that people speak different dialects in different parts so not all can understand each other. The govt therefore dictates that all speak one, unified language on film: Mandarin. Not all actors can speak it, so they hire voice actors who can and then dub the rest.
2) Chinese govt wants to hear lines after the show is done and will subsequently censor lines, which have to be dubbed so often is easier to just dub the whole show/movie.
3) They can improve upon line delivery with better actors than the good looking ones who were hired.
*But it's mostly reasons 1 and 2 that makes China do this when no other country does. No other country is so big, with so many dialects, and no other country censors like they do. Well, North Korea does, but they have no film industry at alll.
It still doesn't make sense to me that some are dubbed and some aren't. They could add Chinese subtitles so that…
I also wondered about this. I read that the Chinese law is that everyone speak Mandarin on tv and film and that since it's such a huge country where not everyone speaks same dialects, they need Mandarin speaking voice actors. I guess some actors already speak Mandarin and, thus, don't need to be dubbed. It's strange, cuz Gu Ha in Addicted was not dubbed, which I know cuz he had the same voice in 2 other movies I saw him in.
To me it sounds like the child voices are usually dubbed by female voice actors using "baby talk". Even for the…
Oh, ok, so it sounds so weird cuz it's an adult woman trying to sound young? I guess they use an adult cuz it's hard to get a young kid to sit in a studio for 50 hours just reading lines into a microphone.
I was just reading up on how Chinese shows are all dubbed, and that one of the advantages is that voice actors can improve upon lines not delivered well by the original actors. Sounds reasonable. But then why did they dub the little girl with the automated voice of a robot? Seriously, the kid's line delivery is utterly void of human inflection and intonation.
They are not under chinese nrta at all. Not airing in china
But didn't the govt harass the actors playing Gu Ha and By Lou Yin for even appearing together after that show? I mean, there are repercussions to doing a BL, so I don't think we will get an overt one with this show. It will be coded.
So much positive comment about this series and yet it's still on 8.1 rating. MDL WHY?
An 8.1 is high. The only reason Thai BL's score higher is that they have massive marketing companies who use bots to boost scores on all online sites. Thai BL's are all about marketing and product placement.
That lying bitch is getting on my last nerve 😬.. There's evil ,and then there's her..
Yea, she's a bitch. But why didn't Wu Bi just tell Su Yu she was dating his cousin right from the get-go? And once he did reveal her secret and Su Yu didn't believe him, why didn't Wu Bi just ask his cousin to prove it? This makes no sense to me.
Wait, did he really just say "Su Yu's mine"? How did that sneak past censors? Well, censors also missed the scene in Advance Bravely where the guys were cuddling together shirtless in bed, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Those crusty old Commie censors have no clue how to read coded gay stories and can only get it if it's something obvious like a kiss.
OPTION #1 *Deny yourself the love of your life, thus making yourself miserable *Deny him the love of his life as well, thus making him miserable *Quit your job with no prior notice, thus wrecking your career *Move from your apartment overnight, thus disrupting all domestic stability *Consult nobody, thus disrupting your entire social, financial and romantic life rashly
OPTION #2 *Simply tell your boyfriend what happened ten years ago
I find the acting in this show to be stiff as well. Neither of them seems able to fully inhabit a character and,…
Yes, he's supposedly crying but not one tear fell from his eyes. I don't understand why they don't use tear-sticks for actors who cannot properly cry. The worst I'd ever seen was the gay guy in Than/Type. He screwed up his face like a grimacing monkey, as if he were really TRYING to muster just one damned tear but couldn't. Frankly, he looked constipated.
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I genuinely wonder why this got a season 2. I am not being facetious, I truly just wonder, because I don't recall any great love for season 1. Meanwhile, one of my personal favorites, Old Fashioned Cupcake, was uber popular, trended on Twitter, has a volume 2 manga, and yet did not get a sequel. Given the comparison between the two, I wonder what qualifies something for a sequel. Anyone know?
Surbhi, I swear, I see you on EVERY movie I choose to watch. You win for watching more Asian movies than anyone else I know!
He wasn’t used to feeling anything at all, let alone love. This was a person who’d grown up scavenging for discarded food at a landfill in Cambodia. As for landfills, it fascinating that he chose another landfill in Hong Kong to seek refuge after almost getting caught by the cops. He didn’t go to some nice park to unwind. Nope, he chose a landfill! That is what spoke of familiarity and home to this guy. I also noted that when the hitman fought with the cop, Wai, at the landfill he was biting Wai’s shoulder. The director was portraying him as a wild dog biting and chewing on human flesh.
Indeed, he was one of the Dogs in the title, “Dog Bites Dog.” The cop, Wai, was the other dog. Sure, Wai wasn’t as murderous as the hitman at first, but the signs were there that he was on his way to becoming so. Dang, he was breaking laws everywhere right from the start. He was constantly beating the shit out of witnesses. He gave drugs to informants in exchange for info. Presumably, Wai got those drugs from the police evidence room where cops keep drugs they take off drug dealers. Or he bought the drugs from dealers on the street. Either way, he got them illegally.
Overall, Wai was portrayed as violent, unruly and unethical. But he still had a father, his partner and colleagues he cared for, and they all humanized him. By the end he has lost all of them – and is now as alone in the world as the hitman was at the start of the movie. Accordingly, Wai also loses all morality, so much so that he even stabs a pregnant woman to death. He has now become inhuman. That is to say, he is now the Wild Dog.
The hitman, meanwhile, has become human via love for his wife and the impending birth of his child. He now has the family that Wai lost – and lost because the hitman killed all of them except dad, who killed himself. One can justify Wai’s angry lust for revenge. What’s amazing is that even though Wai was justified in wanting to kill the hitman, I wanted the hitman to continue his life as fruit picker with his new wife and baby. It’s a testament to the movie’s brilliance at portraying moral gray zones that I could sympathize with a hitman I’d witnessed killing 9 people.
It was a risky move for the writers to ask us to sympathize with such a character. And that was what they were knowingly doing by creating his tender, loving relationship with the girl. The writer/director created this moral gray zone by depicting the hitman holding the girl's hand, helping her walk after she'd injured her foot,, feeding her and just being all around attentive. In short, he is in love. It’s not only his first romantic love, but his first experience with any kind of love at all. We know that he never had the love of a family because he had grown up with a scumbag fight club owner. We know this, in turn, because he called the scumbag “dad” and, moreover, the scumbag said that he’d picked the hitman up off the street as a kid like a “stray dog.”
The scumbag and other dead-eyed boy fighters were all the hitman had ever known in his empty, brutal world where the only goal was to fill his belly and sleep somewhere warm. So his first experience with love – an abstract, emotional need rather than a physical need – had to have hit him with the awesome power of a thousand storms. But love ain’t enough to save him when the cop Wai is on the trail.
The hitman gained a family right as Wai lost his family, such that it was now Wait’s turn to live in a violent, soulless world working at a fight club. He even got one of the number tattoos on his neck that designated orphaned males after Pol Pot's Cambodian holocaust, and thus he blended in with the real men of the Cambodian Lost Generation. In other words, he had traded places with the hitman both literally and figuratively. He had nothing to live for except revenge.. And he was going to get revenge, even if he had to die for it. Which, of course, he did at the end
Now, about the ending. Wow, cutting that baby out was so unexpected and original! I’ve never seen this in a movie before. I also LOVED the way the hitman held the infant up to the sky, as if offering his gratitude to the heavens for its birth. Then, man-oh-man, the very final shot of the infant’s fist rising up toward the sun outdid that with an even more powerful message of hope.
1) China is so big that people speak different dialects in different parts so not all can understand each other. The govt therefore dictates that all speak one, unified language on film: Mandarin. Not all actors can speak it, so they hire voice actors who can and then dub the rest.
2) Chinese govt wants to hear lines after the show is done and will subsequently censor lines, which have to be dubbed so often is easier to just dub the whole show/movie.
3) They can improve upon line delivery with better actors than the good looking ones who were hired.
*But it's mostly reasons 1 and 2 that makes China do this when no other country does. No other country is so big, with so many dialects, and no other country censors like they do. Well, North Korea does, but they have no film industry at alll.
Stay With Me
Stay By My Side
Stay Still
*Deny yourself the love of your life, thus making yourself miserable
*Deny him the love of his life as well, thus making him miserable
*Quit your job with no prior notice, thus wrecking your career
*Move from your apartment overnight, thus disrupting all domestic stability
*Consult nobody, thus disrupting your entire social, financial and romantic life rashly
OPTION #2
*Simply tell your boyfriend what happened ten years ago
Ren: "Oh, I know, I'll choose Option #1!"