Maggi64

QUESTION REGARDING DUBBING

As many of us know, the Chinese dub all shows/movies because the govt mandates that all language be Mandarin, and China is so huge that people in various provinces speak dialects not understood by the other. This show, however, was produced by studios outside of China in Hong Kong, Thailand and Taiwan. So I wonder if that means it was not all dubbed? Now the little girl is clearly dubbed. Her speech is utterly void of inflection and intonation, such that she sounds like a robot. Yet the other characters do not appear to be dubbed.

I re-watched an episode, this time watching their mouths as they formed certain syllables and consonants. I found that their mouth movements 100% matched the sounds being made. It does not seem possible that this is dubbed . Moreover, I saw the guy who played Gu Ha in different shows/movies and his voice is always the same, meaning that's his real voice. I wonder, perhaps, if the people who say this is ALL dubbed are overstating the case . Can someone who knows more than me about dubbing explain how this works?

I heard that Viki had censored some things so I watched it elsewhere. But I do not get why Viki censored anything at all. I mean, the damned thing was ALREADY censored by the Chinese government. Plus, Viki shows things far more explicit all the time -- eg, the sex scenes in The Pornographer and Mood Indigo. There were no sex scenes at all in Advance Bravely. So what the heck did they censor?

Thank you. This explains a lot. Because yes, Asians do follow source material religiously (the Japanese follow them fanatically!), but sex scenes and things such as a rape are absolutely cut out. And as you said, without that actually happening, a lot of the behaviors seem out of context. Moreover, the casting is, as you said, just wrong.

"deliciously disturbing."

I love that phrase. It's got groovy alliteration but more importantly, it's such a cool concept wherein the paradoxically opposite qualities coexist. But the positive feeling of "delicious" toward the ostensibly negative feeling of "disturbing" is only appreciated by certain people. That is to say, weirdos like us!

I agree. By now I regard this show as a BL, not a Bromance. I mean, the last episode had Wu Bi telling the bitch to stay away from Su Yu because, as he put it, "He's mine." This episode has Su Yu hear from Duo that Wu Bi is in love with someone, and Su Yu must know that it's him, himself. The audience sure knows it. And that's the point . Because if the audience is picking up all these signals that they are in love it means the audience is perceiving it as BL. And if a BL is what we're all unanimously seeing then, ipso facto, that's what it is. I also need to add that they are not coded signals done with a sly wink as we saw in Advance Bravely. This is more openly BL.

Su Yu told Wu Bi that he figured things out vis-a-vis the "vixen" based on something Duo said. Well, what Duo said was that Wu Bi and she were both suffering over someone with whom they are in love. Su Yu knows by now that Wu Bi's beloved sure ain't the vixen. Meaning the beloved must be him, himself. So Su Yu knows that Wu Bi is in love with him, right? Yep, he definitely knows.

..........WINNERS..........
Hottest of all BL boys -- Togawa of "Old Fashioned Cupcake"
Funniest of all BL boys -- Mai Ding of "Like Love"
Kindest of all BL boys -- Da Un of "Blueming"
Smartest of all BL boys -- Chu Sang Woo of "Semantic Error"

Cutest puppy personality of all BL boys -- Bu Xia of "Stay by My Side." Yep, definitely Bu Xia

I was ready to dismiss the show as bland when, just in time, we got that hot & heavy breakroom scene. Wowza, the bossman's got game!

I hated her. It's even illegal to tape people without their permission in some states in America.

This is what comment sections are for. People offer differing opinions to mine all the time. Hell, I was probably the only one who hated the BL The Eighth Sense and everyone disagreed with me. But I didn't get upset about it. I figured, hey, that's what comments are for.

Incidentally, I think the problem is really that you got into an argument with the other person and I came onto the thread 2nd. If you had not already argued with him then you probably would not have had a problem with my statement. But since you already felt attacked, you interpreted my comment wrongly.

Read it again, because there are no rude words or phrases or meaning. It's just a simple statement pointing out that you are right about identities being hard to change, but that's why the show illustrated a broker helping.

Oh, and I also said that maybe movies just don't want to get into all the details of how identities change etc cuz that would be a lot for one movie. These are all just simple, objective statements.

You know, given the confusion about the ending I agree that it was a tad cheesy. And now that you mention it about the reflection, maybe it was the lawyer as a kid. But I hope not, cuz that would be a real misstep in the screenplay to introduce something that big and not explore it.

I wasn't ganging up. I was just pointing out that it's hard to change identities just like you said (ie, agreeing with you). But that's why the movie showed that a person needs a broker to do it. I was clarifying something and that makes a movie more enjoyable, right? Also, I apologized profusely for being rude to you on Traces of Sin, because I truly was rude that time. But there's nothing rude about my comment this time. I am just pointing something out that would make the movie more logical to you and, hence a better experience.

I thought the flashback was of the lumberjack as a kid. They said that his dad killed 2 people, his boss and his wife, and when the boy looked inside the house he saw 2 corpses, a man's and a woman's.

As for lawyer staying with that bitch wife, I agree. I think the Asians are more willing to stick it out in bad marriages if they have kids cuz divorce is still stigmatized a bit there. But that's not to say that a divorce is not impending. The movie just didn't have time to tell us . I think the reason they screenplay added the bit about her cheating at the very end was to make another point about people not being who they say they are. No matter how close you are to someone, they can still keep part of their identity secret from you.

Please tell me what the final twist was . Because I thought that when the lawyer was at the bar at the end, he was just pretending to be a member of a family who owned an Inn. After all, he cannot possibly be that inn owner since he had met the real brother who actually owns the inn (ie, the asshole who kept calling the lumberjack a "criminal's son").

I got the sense that the movie just didn't want to engage in the logistics of identity change, which isn't the same as saying it's easy to do. In fact, the movie alluded to the difficulty of identity change by the fact that the men who did it had to pay a broker to arrange the logistics. You don't pay a broker to do something if it's "easy" to do.

Thank you. That's really helpful to know. I wish the live action had identified him as bisexual as well. But even though it did not, I just went ahead and assumed so on my own.

A movie where even the pretentiousness is unoriginal. To wit: a woman who smuggles drugs looks mysterious in a cliched trench coat and sunglasses at night. Oh, and a ludicrous blonde, bouffant wig. Why does she wear that wig? No reason. The auteur director, Wong Kar-wai, just thought it was a cool visual. Hell, at the end of this segment another woman also wears a blonde bouffant wig. Why does she wear one? Well, because the first woman wore one.

Blonde Bouffant Wig #1 kills the boyfriend of Blonde Bouffant Wig #2 who has something to do with her drug smuggling business. Why does she kill him? It seems a deal got botched, but really, who the hell knows. The movie does not trade in specifics. You see, specifics are for the vulgar, unwashed masses who want things to make sense. And our auteur director Wong Kar-wai does not make films for plebeians; he makes films for enlightened critics.

Earlier that evening Blonde Bouffant Wig #1 had bumped into a man who'd been jilted by his girlfriend, May. He eats canned pineapple with an expiration of May 1st because that's his birthday. And his girlfriend's name is May (golly, how clever of the screenwriter to have come up with this!) He eats canned pineapple every day for a month while waiting for his relationship with May to be resolved. He eats a lot of canned pineapples. He meets Blonde Bouffant Wig #1 at a bar and asks "Do you like pineapples?" as his pick up line. He really, really likes pineapples.

This segment ends at 40 minutes. Since the director figured that was too short for a feature, he added another segment. This one is about a girl at a food stand who has a crush on a cop. He's been jilted too. She listens to the Beach Boys "California Dreaming" a lot. I mean a lot -- as in every 5 minutes (no kidding, it truly plays every 5 minutes). What is the significance of this? Nothing. But the director plays the song so much that he fools the audience into believing it's significant. Yet it's no more significant than the blonde bouffant wigs. Indeed, all that holds the movie's 2 segments together is that they both have random details posing as meaningful details. It seems to have fooled a lot of critics, who gush about this film.

It's just a compilation of images all of which add up to nothing. Alas, empty imagery has always proven catnip for critics. You see, it allows them to use lots of nifty terminology such as "non-linear narrative." What does non-linear narrative mean, you ask? Why, it's code for "has no plot" because the director/screenwriter does not know how to construct one. He simply knows how to shoot lots of images. Lots and lots of images.

Thank you! I thought it was pure pretentious dribble. I just left a review for it above if you are interested.

That got best kiss? It was a closed mouth peck on the lips and then Minato and Shin fell in the water -- ie, the actors avoided having to kiss each other any further. I'm very surprised that got best kiss.

As for OFC, I heard it did better in Japan than here . Also, Togawa's confession scene lit up twitter. Maybe the actors didn't want to do a sequel. That's possible.

Yep. The guy playing Xie Yan was committed to those kissing scenes while Shunian was stiff as a board. The sex scene where they are unclothed in bed could've been beautiful cuz the cinematography was terrific, but Shunian was so stiff he looked like a corpse. I think his sweet, puppy dog face was right for the role, but his acting, well, not so much. Nevertheless, I loved the movie.