It will most likely not be some random, but someone of the main or support cast, meaning it's someone from the poster.
-Chae Do Hee (Reporter): Respected Reporter, is in contact with KMC (calls his cell), has a strained relationship with MJY. The one we know basically nothing about, everything is possible.
- Joo Min (sister): Her laptop was infected with the first video, is interested in the Bae Gi Chul case (watching news), her parents died and it's possible the culprit didn't get much of a punishment (motive), but she is still a student. Her dream is to become a reporter (the papers in her room). I somehow doubt she's involved. Despite some aspects, she seems to be a sweet girl, who is unsure about the killing vote.
- Kim Ji Hoon (Student): Has a brutal outlook ('only bloodshed will change sth'), got a drinking cup in the 1st ep while a similiar/same can be seen in the preview of ep 3 with Gaetal(?). But he is still a student around 18/19, he could be a helper but I doubt that he is the mastermind.
- Lee Min Soo (teacher/son): Secret chats as justice15 with someone named executor about beginning something and plans. Son of MJY. Very good with Computers (like Gaetal). Not much else is known so far. Could be a helper, maybe even the mastermind but I tend more to helper if he's involved.
- Min Ji Young (Assemblywoman): Shady and corrupt (Hacker attack), seems interested in the killing vote (meeting and survey). Was involved in the trial of KSJ and the killer/rapist of his daughter in some way. Could be mastermind, helper or target. But Gaetal seems to be male, so she is most likely not the one in front of the camera.
- Kwon Seok Joo: Connected to the killing vote. His phrase is used, 1st victim was involved in somthing in prison with him, is very intelligent, no faith in the justice system, seems to hate MJY during his trial. Is in prison so he can't really be the dog mask announcer, but he could be the mastermind. Using released prisoners to do his bidding. But are criminals really that trustworthy and intelligent enough to do that, when he has no way to control them from inside the prison. Seems doubtful. He seemed surprised when JH asked the other prisoners about his phrase. As the mastermind he should have expected it. IMO it started with him, is in large part about him, but is not actually involved in the killing vote.
- Joo Hyun: Protested for harsh punishment for her parents killer in front of KSJs trial (motive), is veeery good with computers (like Gaetal), has a strong sense of justice and even goes against her bosses (whistleblowing). Seems too knowledgeable regarding KSJ and his trial and it's possible she lied to KMC about that. But doesn't want her sister to vote. Was the one to reveal the preview-Gaetal video unprompted. The figure of Gaetal seems to be male in every scene and not female. So she could be involved as the mastermind but I doubt she's the one actually in the dog mask.
- Kim Moo Chan: Has no limits in regards to getting criminals their just desert (fake evidence, violence, fake assault...), has a personal connection to KSJ (calls him Hyung) and with that the murdered daughter. Has also personal guilt because the culprit got out and KSJ then murdered him. Plans to use the killing vote investigation to get into investigation HQ to be able to investigate a mysterious more personal case (possibility: killing vote only invented as a front to get to that level?). Could fit the body type of Gaetal. But exchanged some sentences with Gaetal on the phone.
Conclusion: It's still very early and we don't know a lot so far. From the mains I think KMC is the most suspicious. And I guess MJY is actually a target (by Gaetal, KMCs mysterious wish investigation, or both). My arbitrary guess after 2 episodes: Moo Chan as mastermind with Min Soo and/or Ji Hoon as helpers.
How is it different? I'm thinking of starting the webtoon if I can find it
The ML is very different. For starters his name is Joo Hyuk and the brother of Min. He is also the opposite of KMC in behaviour as he is very by the book and not very flexible (which is why he is disliked by his superiors).
The two vote victims are also different people and KSJ has barely appeared so far and noone has really mentioned ties to his case so far (in the 15 chapters I read).
Correct, so many things hv not been revealed yet..and they put clues everywhere..viewers must not easily jumped…
Exactly. It's possible that KMC recognized her in the picture (I think his eyes looked at her position in the photo). But regardless, the next day he pulled her into the team, although he refused it not even 24 hours before.
- I doubt that they killed the ML so soon. I guess he is going undercover? The black-hat-mask-combo shown in the preview could suggest that - Love the Killing Vote plot. It opens up a lot of questions regarding morality, justice and society/group dynamics. (I am also reminded of the Death Note scene where Light says to Ryuk that while everyone publicly denounces Kira privately they cheer for him. In this case many really do) - I enjoy how they show the public respond to the Vote by basically making it an event with bets and public viewing. - Love Park Sung Woong and his character <3 - While it has to be connected to KSJ, I'm not sure if he is actually involved. - The sisters are entirely too codependent - The habits of the FL kinda irritate me. That's why I'm not really invested in her. But her friendship with her computer-bro is cute and fun
Binged it in 2 days with barely any sleep. I was so caught up in it. It was a fantastic story, with some great acting (especially Liu Yi Jun, Liu Dan) and a very satisfying end.
There were tidbits of flaws or other trivia that I noticed (eg. the copaganda, especially visible since I watched a lot of kdramas which have police corruption as its norm 😂)
One thing I loved best was the response by the non-looping characters to those different events. With Captain Zhang as it's best example. It was great writing and acting of how different situations led to different reactions, moods and interactions by him with the main characters.
Also: Lu 'Apostle of Cats, Conqueror of Asthma, Chosen One of the Light' Di. Best Bean! <3
Not telling Sung-A anything was just really stupid and led to such an obvious complication. I hope that decision makes sense regarding the wider plan. If not it's just a lazy trope.
Otherwise, I really enjoy the show. Lee Sung Min and Kim Shin Rok especially.
Any idea who was the host of the evil spirit before it latched to San Young?
I'm guessing her father Prof. Gu.
That would explain why he saw his own copy (similiar how GSY's ghost copy is Seen by the victims). Then it's also a possibility that the ghost was responsible for his last wish of GSY inheriting the hair accessory.
idk why everyone thinks the shaman is the ghost, bc i interpreted that the child the shaman killed would be the…
But how could he realize the ghost is a juvenile instead of the adult Shaman at that moment when he literally wrote 'the ghost is a juvenile into his own journal some time ago?
Also, we saw the girl but from the perspective of the one tying it into the hair of the girl
>Why did he intentionally give it to his daughter? How did he know the spirit will latch on to her?Since his killer…
>And also Yeom grandma maybe she’s a descendant of that shaman
Thought about that as well. Could explain why he can see ghosts.
>that particular story in the vision and does it have a connection to the situation
Just read up on it (The Story of Janghwa and Hongryeun) because I thought the same, but I don't see a direct link to it. Only the 'listening to ghosts and help them find peace' aspect that already came Up. And then maybe the 'girls suspected of being killer ghosts but actually being innocent' aspect which could tie into the Shaman is the ghost theory.
idk why everyone thinks the shaman is the ghost, bc i interpreted that the child the shaman killed would be the…
I think everyone suspects it because of the way it was filmed (at least that's why I do it)
The lingering shot of the 'juvenile ghost' line after asking what went wrong, and him suddenly understanding something. That's often a cue for the viewer that the thing shown is wrong or at least not the entire truth.
I think so too. Cause in his book he had a picture of her and it was basically talking about her and the origin…
I guess it involves the past, and why the mother is utterly afraid and against the father.
Maybe the ghost tried to possess her already when she was a child, but it didn't work or she was freed, but the mother decided to remove her from that forever.
(My personal theory: The father let himself be possessed instead. Explains his copy ghost murderer+him removing himself from everything/-one)
Questions I’m left with after ep2Why did he intentionally give it to his daughter? How did he know the spirit…
>Why did he intentionally give it to his daughter? How did he know the spirit will latch on to her?
Since his killer was his own Copy, my theory is that he himself was possessed and the ghost wrote his last wish of SanYoung getting the hair accessory.
>Why did professor Yeom mom die?
She seemed to know a lot about the occult, and I thought his grandma was very suspicious. So maybe a family secret (that ties to the origin of the ghost maybe?)
>Was it cause he was looking for a way to get rid of it? Did her grandmother get killed because she read the book and knew of its origin?
Those are my guesses. +the ghost went after grandma after SY learned that Yeonmae Haesang would go to her. So additionally to prevent him from learning something?
>I gues s it’s the shaman instead
Agree 100%.
>I wonder if there was something in particular he may have mentioned to her or a story he told her
Theory (because of the shaman flashback/Yeonmae ritual (?)): In the first episode Prof. wondered about why something was wrong and saw the 'ghost is a juvenile' note and realised something. I guess that's wrong and the ghost is an adult? Moreover the ghost of the shaman? And the sacrifice shaman ritual reminds me of the Goedam episode regarding the Yeonmae ritual. It's where someone steals children and intentionally starves them, before tempting them with food, stabbing them to death and trapping their soul (in a pot) to gain power. I guess that happened (but trapping them in the hair accessory) but something happened and the shaman got entangled/trapped herself
The comments below are very negative, so I'm putting a more positive one here:
I really enjoyed the show overall, it had a fantastic story (despite some flaws) with the Pied Piper villain and the moral complexities of living and existing in a world with many intentionally man-made tragedies. The acting was good (especially Shin Ha Kyun ofc), and I enjoyed many of the characters.
But the show has a very very large flaw and that is the colour grading. It's often very washed out or in some of the earlier episodes has a yellow-brown tinge.
Can you spoil me about the organisation? I already watch until ep 5 but circumstances made me to stop watching…
Yes, he is. Basically a protegé/main helper of the boss. And his story is really tragic. He was kidnapped as a child by the boss, brainwashed, and then used as a killer. He thought he was alone/left behind by his family, but his parents never stopped searching for him. As his father got to close, the boss even used Ha Joon to unknowingly kill his own father. He learned about that in the finale. The whole thing was so sadistic, cruel and utterly sad. If you have time whenever it's really worth watching.
Can you spoil me about the organisation? I already watch until ep 5 but circumstances made me to stop watching…
It's an evil organisation, with a really cruel man on top (similiar like Spectre in James Bond). The bad guys of the revenge cases were basically all members of that organisation and killed because of their failures.
It will most likely not be some random, but someone of the main or support cast, meaning it's someone from the poster.
-Chae Do Hee (Reporter): Respected Reporter, is in contact with KMC (calls his cell), has a strained relationship with MJY. The one we know basically nothing about, everything is possible.
- Joo Min (sister): Her laptop was infected with the first video, is interested in the Bae Gi Chul case (watching news), her parents died and it's possible the culprit didn't get much of a punishment (motive), but she is still a student. Her dream is to become a reporter (the papers in her room). I somehow doubt she's involved. Despite some aspects, she seems to be a sweet girl, who is unsure about the killing vote.
- Kim Ji Hoon (Student): Has a brutal outlook ('only bloodshed will change sth'), got a drinking cup in the 1st ep while a similiar/same can be seen in the preview of ep 3 with Gaetal(?). But he is still a student around 18/19, he could be a helper but I doubt that he is the mastermind.
- Lee Min Soo (teacher/son): Secret chats as justice15 with someone named executor about beginning something and plans. Son of MJY. Very good with Computers (like Gaetal). Not much else is known so far. Could be a helper, maybe even the mastermind but I tend more to helper if he's involved.
- Min Ji Young (Assemblywoman): Shady and corrupt (Hacker attack), seems interested in the killing vote (meeting and survey). Was involved in the trial of KSJ and the killer/rapist of his daughter in some way. Could be mastermind, helper or target. But Gaetal seems to be male, so she is most likely not the one in front of the camera.
- Kwon Seok Joo: Connected to the killing vote. His phrase is used, 1st victim was involved in somthing in prison with him, is very intelligent, no faith in the justice system, seems to hate MJY during his trial. Is in prison so he can't really be the dog mask announcer, but he could be the mastermind. Using released prisoners to do his bidding. But are criminals really that trustworthy and intelligent enough to do that, when he has no way to control them from inside the prison. Seems doubtful. He seemed surprised when JH asked the other prisoners about his phrase. As the mastermind he should have expected it. IMO it started with him, is in large part about him, but is not actually involved in the killing vote.
- Joo Hyun: Protested for harsh punishment for her parents killer in front of KSJs trial (motive), is veeery good with computers (like Gaetal), has a strong sense of justice and even goes against her bosses (whistleblowing). Seems too knowledgeable regarding KSJ and his trial and it's possible she lied to KMC about that. But doesn't want her sister to vote. Was the one to reveal the preview-Gaetal video unprompted. The figure of Gaetal seems to be male in every scene and not female. So she could be involved as the mastermind but I doubt she's the one actually in the dog mask.
- Kim Moo Chan: Has no limits in regards to getting criminals their just desert (fake evidence, violence, fake assault...), has a personal connection to KSJ (calls him Hyung) and with that the murdered daughter. Has also personal guilt because the culprit got out and KSJ then murdered him. Plans to use the killing vote investigation to get into investigation HQ to be able to investigate a mysterious more personal case (possibility: killing vote only invented as a front to get to that level?). Could fit the body type of Gaetal. But exchanged some sentences with Gaetal on the phone.
Conclusion: It's still very early and we don't know a lot so far. From the mains I think KMC is the most suspicious. And I guess MJY is actually a target (by Gaetal, KMCs mysterious wish investigation, or both). My arbitrary guess after 2 episodes: Moo Chan as mastermind with Min Soo and/or Ji Hoon as helpers.
The two vote victims are also different people and KSJ has barely appeared so far and noone has really mentioned ties to his case so far (in the 15 chapters I read).
It's possible that KMC recognized her in the picture (I think his eyes looked at her position in the photo). But regardless, the next day he pulled her into the team, although he refused it not even 24 hours before.
I translated parts of it: "Please punish the culprit who killed my parents harshly. [...] Whose side are you on? [...] Demand a harsh penalty."
She used KSJ's trial to protest, meaning she should be aware of who he is, and maybe that she lied regarding of how she got her knowledge.
- Love the Killing Vote plot. It opens up a lot of questions regarding morality, justice and society/group dynamics. (I am also reminded of the Death Note scene where Light says to Ryuk that while everyone publicly denounces Kira privately they cheer for him. In this case many really do)
- I enjoy how they show the public respond to the Vote by basically making it an event with bets and public viewing.
- Love Park Sung Woong and his character <3
- While it has to be connected to KSJ, I'm not sure if he is actually involved.
- The sisters are entirely too codependent
- The habits of the FL kinda irritate me. That's why I'm not really invested in her. But her friendship with her computer-bro is cute and fun
There were tidbits of flaws or other trivia that I noticed (eg. the copaganda, especially visible since I watched a lot of kdramas which have police corruption as its norm 😂)
One thing I loved best was the response by the non-looping characters to those different events. With Captain Zhang as it's best example. It was great writing and acting of how different situations led to different reactions, moods and interactions by him with the main characters.
Also: Lu 'Apostle of Cats, Conqueror of Asthma, Chosen One of the Light' Di. Best Bean! <3
Not telling Sung-A anything was just really stupid and led to such an obvious complication. I hope that decision makes sense regarding the wider plan. If not it's just a lazy trope.
Otherwise, I really enjoy the show. Lee Sung Min and Kim Shin Rok especially.
That would explain why he saw his own copy (similiar how GSY's ghost copy is Seen by the victims). Then it's also a possibility that the ghost was responsible for his last wish of GSY inheriting the hair accessory.
Also, we saw the girl but from the perspective of the one tying it into the hair of the girl
Thought about that as well. Could explain why he can see ghosts.
>that particular story in the vision and does it have a connection to the situation
Just read up on it (The Story of Janghwa and Hongryeun) because I thought the same, but I don't see a direct link to it. Only the 'listening to ghosts and help them find peace' aspect that already came Up. And then maybe the 'girls suspected of being killer ghosts but actually being innocent' aspect which could tie into the Shaman is the ghost theory.
The lingering shot of the 'juvenile ghost' line after asking what went wrong, and him suddenly understanding something. That's often a cue for the viewer that the thing shown is wrong or at least not the entire truth.
Maybe the ghost tried to possess her already when she was a child, but it didn't work or she was freed, but the mother decided to remove her from that forever.
(My personal theory: The father let himself be possessed instead. Explains his copy ghost murderer+him removing himself from everything/-one)
Since his killer was his own Copy, my theory is that he himself was possessed and the ghost wrote his last wish of SanYoung getting the hair accessory.
>Why did professor Yeom mom die?
She seemed to know a lot about the occult, and I thought his grandma was very suspicious. So maybe a family secret (that ties to the origin of the ghost maybe?)
>Was it cause he was looking for a way to get rid of it?
Did her grandmother get killed because she read the book and knew of its origin?
Those are my guesses. +the ghost went after grandma after SY learned that Yeonmae Haesang would go to her. So additionally to prevent him from learning something?
>I gues s it’s the shaman instead
Agree 100%.
>I wonder if there was something in particular he may have mentioned to her or a story he told her
That's what I thought as well
I really enjoyed the show overall, it had a fantastic story (despite some flaws) with the Pied Piper villain and the moral complexities of living and existing in a world with many intentionally man-made tragedies. The acting was good (especially Shin Ha Kyun ofc), and I enjoyed many of the characters.
But the show has a very very large flaw and that is the colour grading. It's often very washed out or in some of the earlier episodes has a yellow-brown tinge.
But overall I rate it 8/10.
Fun cases, and better main villains with that organisation.