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I completely agree. At that age, the power imbalance is serious.

I think each to their own truth. But let's say the court decides there isn't enough proof to hold the claim that KSH is guilty. I think many will take this as him being innocent (which he may be). Others will just take the courts verdict for what it is, that there simply wasn't enough proof, but that doesn't mean his completely innocent.

tbh I do not think we will ever get the truth.

But what do you think chomsky8. How much do you think people are confusing "truth" with (court-of-law) verdict?

What you say about the people who believe in whatever LJH spout because it fits their narrative may be true for some people and not for others.

But let's be honets that also apply for the people siding with KSR. It was first after the last failed attempt with the video that some people on KSR side started to hold Garoseo accountable as well, and still there where some people on this page that supported his statements. Because as you said, it fitted their narratives. You guys where having a party as well.

You told me before that I should be more accountable calling both sides out, and here you are ignoring how easily everyone ate up GS statements well knowing how this man has treated and are being suied by other women for false startements.

GS and LJH are only entertaining this case because of their own benefit. Don't tell me GS is doing this for KSR because he simply ain't and LJH is (in my point of view) a man who hates women. And as the person who started this thread tried to point out, they have now taking the focus away from the actual case. So who knows if we ever will get to the real truth.

How can you be sure about his intentions? You want to support this man? Do you know how many women are suing the GS institute right now because of sexual and false rumors being spread? Supporting a woman by protecting a man that attacks other women.....

Thank you for expressing your thoughts in such a composed and respectful way. While I may not agree 100% with every point you made, I really do appreciate the care you’ve taken to share your opinion without attacking others, and I can clearly see the broader message you’re trying to convey: that we need to be more mindful of how we treat people.

You’re absolutely right that some reactions feel more like a public execution than a search for truth. The desire to “completely destroy” someone based solely on suspicion is a dangerous instinct and your reminder that past victims of online abuse have suffered in much the same way is very valid — and I think it’s something we all need to remember, no matter who we believe or support in this case. Not because you want to silence anyone, but because you’re advocating for accountability with compassion.

The lawsuit against LJH is about defamation, right? Maybe you can correct me if I’m wrong, but I understood that the reason the grooming allegations were brought forward at all was because Kim Sae Ron’s family was trying to refute LJH’s accusations?

As for the broader issue... yes, it’s possible Kim Soo Hyun is being targeted by cyber-wreckers for clicks or even profit. That’s a real problem in South Korea. But it’s also possible that this case, messy as it is, might help open up a much-needed conversation about:

The power imbalance between idols and minors. The failure of adults and institutions to protect young girls and boys in the industry. And the need for real youth protection, both online and off. I’m not pretending this case will fix everything. It won’t. But maybe it can crack the door open a little enough for people to start asking better questions. About how we treat young stars. About who’s responsible when things go wrong. About the blurred lines between fame, power, privacy and exploitation. You ask why the parents and the industry allow to profit from the sexualisation of minors...Yes why? and I hope more people will reflect on that.

When it comes to this case I haven't been happy about how either of the sides choose to handle it. I think the family kinda made a pact with the devil when they in the end choose to work together with Garosero. If it was out of desperation, I do not know. Garosero and LHJ are clearly being very unprofesional and not speaking from a neutral stance at all. They are ruining peoples lives and probably earn a bit of money while doing it. I do not think either of them care about any of the people they are advocating for. They are, in my eyes, just some power hungry tyrants who likes to see how their words can create rippels and chaos. They are not doing it for justice.

When it comes to the protection of the youth I'm also thinking about the health/sex education in SK. South Korea’s sex education is still extremely limited, outdated, and often problematic, especially compared to what young people actually need to understand about healthy relationships, consent, and personal boundaries.

When you write "the truth will never come out", you are probably right. Both sides have something to lose and gain from this case. So they will only show evidence that proof either of their cases. Which is also why I want the evidence to be verified, so we can be sure it hasn't been fabricated.

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-04-10/national/socialAffairs/Cavalier-coverage-of-Kim-Soohyun-overshadows-necessary-discussion-on-protecting-youth/2281194

This article talks about mutiple cases not just KSH. I really hate the cyberbullying. Nobody should go through anything like this. We really should be better at protecting our youth. I do not like how people online have gone far and beyond to just find the smallest not verified rumor to attack KSH with. I get tears in my eyes when I see people slandering the late KSR, not respecting her peace. Calling her out on a behavior they know nothing about. It's all just slander. I am pleased to see that people are starting to notice this poisinous circle of cyberbullying is also mentally ruining people and taking lives. Having said that, allegations of grooming ALWAYS needs to be taking seriously! This case should not be minimized and I hope we one day will know some kind of truth about this case that we all will learn from and make us better at protecting our youth. Guilty or not.

What do you mean by facts? Unless credible evidence (like messages, investigations, or testimonies from involved parties) is made public and verified (and here I'm talking about evidence from both sides), it would be irresponsible to conclude that everything you read on the internet is true.

It’s okay to feel uneasy or want answers—especially when rumors go viral and it's about grooming—but it's always best to ground your opinion in verified facts, not just internet discourse.

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I agree. The weight shouldn't only be on the parents. It's hard to know how much the family supported her. Plus the family could also have been victims of the grooming. But to me, it seems like they are really trying to be there for her now.

Thank you for clarifying your point in such detail.

I can definitely see the validation in bringing up the other celebrities death because in my opinion they all suffered from the same online bullying. Which is why you put focus on their story as well to show how many people have suffered under this. To my knowledge you are right about neither of them having a grooming case. But to me it's two different discussions that keeps on overlapping because of how people are choosing to handle this.

You write that you don't give a benefit of a doubt when it comes to grooming cases. I really commend you for that. But at the same time you also run some big risks by having that type of approach. Like maybe ruining a persons life because of false accusations. Or dealing with it in a way that is so scaring for the child that it ends up being another trauma for the child to deal with. And by this I mean the online bullying and the blow up it could make. Of course I'm not saying that this will happen in your way of dealing with this topic. It's just some worries I have since cases like this have happened before.

I wanna be very specific when I write this. If a child starts telling me about this man or woman who shows them interest which from my point of view is unatural or weird, I will then also act immediatly by going to the authorities just to be on the safe side even if I'm wrong. I will hope they then will look into it as profesionals and find out what is actually going on. If a grown up comes to me I will help them and go talk with some profesionals because not everybody know they have been groomed, and let the the victim and the profesionals figure that question out together while giving as much support as I can. But In this case with KSR I am just not sure simply because she isn't here anymore to tell her truth and what all this "evidence" really means. I really wish she was. I also know that the need for more valid proof may also be something that could give a perpetrator more time to manipulate/groom/harm more children. Which is the risk I take by being more on the "safer side". Which is why I will educate myself more on this matter so I hopefully will be better at spotting signs when it comes to groooming.

You wrote that by denying their relationship the first time he allowed the KSR haters to bully her. I completely agree with you on this. But I 100 % also belive had he come clean the first time, people would still have gone after her. I think they would still slut shame her, call her an attention seeker, and propably say something like she is trying to use KSH good reputation to help her own situation. I do not think in the eyes of the haters that she could do anything right. And if you tried to defend her actions they would come after you too. But that is not what happened. KSH was a coward, and I really wished he had just said ANYTHING to just defend KSR a little bit. How about a little leave her alone or believe in giving people second chances. He was a very powerful and respected man back then. Maybe it would have helped her. But maybe he knew that his reputation would crumble easily. So he choose an cowardly and arrogant move. I believe her misery started the day of her DUI, not the day he denied her I public. I have tried looking back to around her DUI case and people were so horrible to her she even said publicy after her DUI that she was scared because of all the false allegations about her even after her case had ended.

I have been coming for both sides. I'm writing this on your post because you talked about neutrals having double standards and actually being on KSH side, which I disagree on. I am talking to both sides. Which I try to make very clear in my posts. I do not agree with the slut shaming of KSR. The lies about how she wanted it or asked for it herself I report all these commets. Don't come for her and give her peace! All the clown comments, d**kriders, well you are neutral, that means you support KSH and allow p*d*fillia and all the you just wanna be with him yourself. I just find it all very harming. You asked why am I only coming for people against KSH. I hope I have answered that justifiable and you understand that i am not. But why are you more disgusted by the neutrals? I simply do not get your anger towards them when they are not the one trolling KSr after her death.
And what does doxing mean? Sorry for the long post!

Can you please explain what you mean by me using KSR death as an excuse and how that is your experience?

"Hypocrites in disguise"? So you think when I'm talking about the online bullying you think i'm only doing it do defend KSH? Because then you are clearly missing the point. At the same time I do also think it's quite hypocritical that bullying is being used as the main weapon to go against KSH by people on this page when I believe that is the main reason KSR choose to unalive herself. (Again this is what I believe. In the end I can never know what caused her decision only speculate) What gave her so much misfortune is now being used against another person.
I do not agree with the "Yeah but this time his guilty, so it's okay that we bully him". People thought KSR deserved everything that was thrown against her as well because of her DUI. She was guilty so it's okay. Well...
You can be against KSH without being a bully. That is simply what i'm trying to say.

Your version of neutral is from what I understand from your messages just different from mine.

I do not see anything wrong from being neutral and still engaging in the conversation, because these are some very important topic such as grooming and online bullying. Because of this case I have personally tried to understand what grooming is and what the laws says about it in my country. I can have my personal opinion about this case, but I do also believe that I do not have the authority to decide what the punishment should be for anyone involved in this case. It's like everyone is morally beheading anybody but who gave you that authority? People did it to Lee Sun Kyun, KSR, KSH and people are doing it to each other on this page and other social media platforms.

Grooming is to be taking very serious but false allegations is dangerous as well. I do not really believe in much of the evidence both sides have shown the public. I hate how KSR private life has been ripped open for everybody to see and I stay neutral because in the end my heart bleeds for KSR and I am not sure if she could see what was going on today that this was what she really wanted. Which is also why I try to look at this from more perspectives than just one.

On the other hand staying neutral can also be a way to protect yourself. Just look at this page. Such a toxic environment where people are bullying each other left and right. Some people share their opinion and gets attacked for it. Which has been hard for people to deal with mentally. I have seen a few post on this page where people have wrote that this issue has started to take a toll on their mental health. Very few decide to answer with constructive criticism. Which is less damaging.

How could you see that was him? I'm talking about the picture with the man in his underwear. I'm asking because you seem so sure. Which confuses me. I found that picture myself and I can't see who it is. The person is standing with their back turned. It could be any man.

It's the same with the pictures LHJ just realeased claiming it's KSR. That could be anybody. You can't see the face clearly.

How can you be so sure?

In some eyes what he did by looking at the so called evidence is enough action to be considered grooming. For others it's far from grooming. Everybody can have their opinion. I personally do not think I have the qualifications to call out what is grooming and what is not. Not by all this so called "evidence". I do not like how KSH handled this case, but I kind of understand him. I do not like how the family handled this case, but I kind of understand them.

What I do not like about this case is how both sides attack each other throwing mud and wishing the worst for each other. For what? It's not like there will be a winner in the end. Justice for who? KSR? How can anybody be sure this is what she wanted. Everybody is just fighting their own personal battle. Which is understandable especially if this case reminds you of something from your personal life. But in the end I firmly believe that what made KSR decide to end her life is something beyond us. To me the online bullying which had been going on since her DUI is the main reason to why I think she did what she did. But I can never know for certain, because in the end i never knew the girl. I don't know what she was thinking or how she felt.

I hate how her private life have been ripped open for anybody to see after her death. She choose to leave this world and leave it all behind. I will try to respect that as much as I can.

From your message you clearly think she is the one to blame because she is a "dating machine fucking every man". How do you know? and in the end isn't she allowed to? That's how I live. I do not consider myself a "dating machine". but i'm a grown up and can date whoever I want and so could she. Do you think a man dating women should be judged as well?
You do not know her. So I think you should refrain from speaking like you do.

If he had responded in the way you wanted him to. Either being what you consider neutral or actually acknowledge that they had been dating. Do you think it would have changed anything regarding KSR? I'm asking because this seems to upset you the way that he lied. That because he lied, people looked at her like she was more crazy than before.
Do you think had he been neutral or come clean back then that her situation would have changed. That people would have though of her differently?

Why can't LJH leave her alone?! It makes me so sad to know that her family still has to listen to him taunting her name.

Thank you for sharing your journey, struggles, and bravery. Thank you for sharing what all you have been through in the end has taught you. It's so important.

I have not seen what you are saying with GM and KSH, having been ghosting KSR for a long time. I will look into it further. I read that GM could confirm they had reached out to KSR and her legal team, and they had a meeting. (I think it was on Soompi or something).