Moonochrome

Anyone have links?

It has been postponed a week due to political unrest in Thailand atm.
https://twitter.com/WHYRUTheSeries/status/1331569012535291904

Oh it's fine. Hope the new episode didn't bring your spirits down too much!

Oh yeah, I'm currently watching Like In The Movies as well! Can't believe it's ending this week honestly. Although I enjoy the soft and unique stories I also don't expect much from Thai BL, but I do still appreciate a good conversation or two about important issues ya feel? More Bi-rep would be sooo appreciated, ofc there's nothing wrong with characters discovering their sexuality or even choosing not to use labels, but It'd be really cool to see more Bi characters in BL!

It's interesting how you continue to label other people as thinking they are "special", but then put yourself on a really pretentious high horse, calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "stupid", and acting like they are below you because of it. Your argument of, "worrying about the important things" is hypocritical of you to say considering you're also participating in these comments on an internet forum while the pandemic is happening around you. While there are definitely important things happening in the world right now, there's nothing inherently wrong with I, or you for that matter, taking the time out of our days to engage in forms of entertainment. It's important to recognize privilege of course, but everyone's lives and experiences are different, and one shouldn't actively make their day or life worse out of guilt due to inherent privilege. If you're going to assume that I'm not taking situations around the world seriously at the moment because I'm in a forum comment thread, you should recognize how hypocritical you are being considering you're doing the exact same thing.

Ahhh that REALLY hurts to know, but thanks for telling me! Hopefully they get a spinoff sequel or smthn.

That's some really aggressive, pretentious, and edgy over-speculation wowwie! Kind of interesting considering how you like to talk about not looking too deep into things. I can tell you really took what I said personally. You're free to like the show, just don't go calling people in the comments that share different opinions than you stupid, and then get upset when you get called out for your rude ass behavior and bad takes. Hope you enjoy the show though!

Oh of course, I really didn't mean to put any words in your mouth or anything there! I also just saw some strange replies to valid criticisms that held a similar sentiment, and I felt the need to mention it is all. Yeah, I do agree that some comments seem to be taking it a bit too far, while I have issues with a couple of scenes as well, we are quite literally only on the first episode. While I can understand and echo the concerns of people that are exasperated with recurring themes and stereotypes, I really don't think this show is by far the worst when giving bad rep. I personally feel that even though BL's target audience started towards straight women, and whether or not that has arguably changed to date, the people being represented in these shows should definitely be able to give some input and criticism on that. I think that while genres may have an aimed demographic, that doesn't mean that the content can't be criticized by those supposedly outside of it, especially if they're the main rep in said content. Ironically though, even women aren't always represented well in BL. It's indeed one weird mixed bag. Thanks for the chill discussion! ^^

It's cool to know that you personally don't believe in the stereotypes portrayed in these shows! But I personally think it's wishful thinking to assume that everyone watching them, or possibly the people producing these shows doesn't. The repeated use of stereotypes in shows, to me, often just seems to echo what some of the producers of the show might think. I don't think this show is a case of that by the way, we're literally only an episode in, but sometimes that does seem to be the case to me.

Sure then they're in the same vein, but I stand by the statement that you still seem to come off as very brash and passive-aggressive in your replies, with phrases such as "whether you like it or not".

Again, telling people to just go and watch something else is just completely trying to shut down any of their own personal opinions of the show. If you don't personally agree with them that's totally fine, but if they want to keep watching and have a discussion with like-minded individuals in the comments they should be allowed to, just like the people who do love and enjoy the show! I'm actually curious to hear your own opinions on colorism in the 3 Will Be Free, (seriously!) I remember liking the main female lead but the rest is a bit mushy for me.

Not talking about issues actively stunts any growth at all. If we don't talk about anything we'll never learn anything, negative or positive. If you don't walk you can't run, if you don't start talking you can't have a conversation. I also agree that freedom in media is super important, but I also think that having bad kinds of representation, (like colorism) in the arts is harmful, unnecessary, and unproductive. It's extremely hypocritical and ironic how you say that the media shouldn't have any kind of censorship, but then talk about how colorism is an issue and how terribly rooted it is in Thai media.

You're totally right, I don't have to like a show or the direction it takes, but sharing my opinion and criticisms isn't the same as advocating for the erasure of creative freedom. If you didn't see anything stereotypical that's fine, this show honestly is by FAR not the worst I've seen when it comes to rep, (I mean we're literally only an episode in.) I just saw that a lot of people echoed with my small concerns towards some scenes, and wanted to have a discussion since I personally consider it to be a recurring issue, that's all.

"They have the right to not like the show or not watch." Yes totally! I also have the right to express my opinion though! Even if you personally disagree. It isn't entitled to have an opinion, if it were you would be considered "entitled" as well. I really must say that a lot of your distaste with me sharing my opinion, as well as some of your takes, continuously comes off as ironic and hypocritical at times.

Pardon me but it seems like you're quite literally just trying to move the goal post immediately from the get-go to seem more, morally superior in this discussion. I'm not going to discuss the disgusting and horrid thing that is colorism because I actually agree with just about everything you said, (except for the use of "yall" again since it seems to hold the same passive-aggressive and derogatory air as your earlier use of "you people") but I still think you're blowing this entire conversation not only way out proportion, but meaningfully in the wrong direction. Just because people discuss one issue doesn't mean they don't care about others, it's simply called having a topic conversation. If I'm trying to have a conversation about ocean pollution why the hell would I stop and take a non sequitur to talk about how pandas are an endangered species? Quite literally misses the complete point. If you're personally uncomfortable with hearing these discussions that's fine, but maybe don't try to demonize and accuse those who do choose to participate in them.

Having a portion of a group of people sharing their criticisms does not negate the feelings of others. Just because I have an opinion on a show doesn't mean that yours are invalid, that's just not how it works. Just because I'm expressing my own ideas and opinions on a show doesn't mean you "lose out" just because you enjoy it. I have never once advocated for the ENTIRE ERASURE of certain kinds of BL and tropes, I simply express how I feel hurt and misrepresented by, what I believe to be, harmful portrayals and stereotypes. I don't think you understand that by continuously trying to bring down my own criticisms and opinions, you're ironically the one who's not advocating for diversity at all. Literally everything in your reply just screams, "No, I don't like your opinion, YOUR the one who's not advocating for diversity, because your ideas are different from mine!" I'm not trying to tear down any kinds of BL's that you enjoy, that's not my intention, my issue simply lies with harmful and stereotypical portrayals of LGBTQ in media and I'm more than allowed to talk about and discuss that, just as you are to enjoy them. It's not "self-centered" to have and express my own opinions, if it were as you say, technically what you just displayed would be considered as "self-centered" as well.

I totally see where you're coming from! But I must say that I disagree with the concept that LGBTQ people aren't allowed to comment about how they're represented in media, of any kind, including BL. I don't think you meant to say or allude to that at all, so I really don't mean to put words in your mouth or anything here! I just think it's kind of sad that some people act like LGBTQ people aren't allowed to comment about their own portrayals in BL specifically, just because of who it's original target audience was. For example, horror films are known to have a history of misrepresenting and demonizing people with mental illnesses, horror films aren't targeted towards people with mental illness specifically, but those who have it should definitely be able to share their concerns and opinions with how they're represented regardless, so they can avoid being demonized and portrayed harmfully in the future. Also, I really don't think a good thing to tell people with valid criticisms of how they're being represented is to just, "look somewhere else", as that helps with nothing and doesn't allow for any positive change to be made. It quite literally stops any learning and growth before it can even happen. Sorry if this was really long! I actually am looking super forward to this show even with my own concerns over a certain scene or two. I've seen far worse rep in BL's, but I don't think that means we can't have important conversations regardless! This show looks super wholesome and interesting though, and I can't wait to watch more. Thank you for sharing your opinion in such a kind, open, and neutral way, really appreciate it!

Also yes, better bi rep in almost any kind of media would be much appreciated haha

I can't even be nice about this stupid take, that's literally the dumbest thing I've read in a while. "Just don't think! Life is ONLY simple! Nothing has meaning EVER! Especially ART!! A medium that's built upon expression, concepts, and ideas!" This is the exact kind of sh*t that I mean when talking about how a lack of productive thinking and taking issues seriously stunts growth and is harmful. I don't talk to seem "smarter", I talk about important issues I care about to have discussions with like and not like-minded individuals, sometimes in hopes we can both learn something. It's called having a conversation. For example, I and the user from earlier will probably disagree on more than a couple of things, but through some other comment threads, I was able to learn that they care about colorism along with trans issues and representation, which is great. Life isn't as simple as, "Nothing has meaning ever", and such a statement is beyond ignorant. I can tell you are a perfect product of your ideology though, I can definitely see that you don't like engaging in critical thinking.

I think you're blowing this way out of proportion, no one even brought up the topic of colorism, besides you as a non sequitur that is. No one's talking about the issue of colorism in this drama because it isn't one, whereas the representation of fem presenting gays being rude/harmful stereotype is. Your use of the phrase "selective outrage" is beyond strange in this instance since colorism isn't apart of the selection. (Not to say that colorism isn't an issue because it definitely is.) To better explain, what you basically did was hear someone say they're not a fan of broccoli, and then get mad because they didn't mention how bad the McDonalds fast-food chain is. Colorism is disgusting and is definitely an important issue that should be talked about, but it was not the point of this discussion at all.

Your comment came off as very upset, as does your reply, by the fact that this person simply voiced their own frustrations and opinions about common stereotypes and issues in this show. My intent was not to "slander" you, but the phrasing you used in your comment was obviously kind of brash towards the person who simply expressed concern towards stereotypes and bad representation. Shutdown may be a bit much though admittedly so instead let's go with.. discouraging them.
Also, no. The answer to someone's valid concerns and criticisms shouldn't be "go watch something else then" and if you can't see how negatively charged and rude that statement is then I'm sorry. That's honestly the kind of thinking that stunts growth and denies change on important issues, like that of hurtful representation in media for example. Being a bit blunter though I must say that, asking for harmful stereotypes to be put to rest is not the same as "advocating for the erasure of fanservice" and if you think it is, I think you really need to reconsider what exactly your definition of fanservice is.

Lmao. I mean the dude fell in love with a fetishizer... did he ever have a chance? A man with that low of an IQ should not be a doctor, I'm convinced they just let him run around the office like a child at a McDonald's play place.

Ngl just sounds like you basically said, "I don't care about the portrayal of certain stereotypes in shows because I basically just want to watch softcore gay porn", which is totally fine if that's your cup of tea and you just want to enjoy your shows without looking too deep into anything etc, but I really don't think the way to go about expressing that opinion is by shutting down people who care about actual good representation and issues. That's just kinda rude and sus.

I haven't personally dug too deep into Jennie to know exactly what kind of problematic behavior she's doing, so I will not argue nor agree with your opinion on that, but overall I think you completely missed the point of this person's comment. The "you people" statement against someone who's just saying that feminine presenting gays and women need better representation in BL doesn't sit well with me ngl.

Honestly the side couple is the only thing keeping me watching at this point. If PhuKao don't have a satisfying ending I stg.

Thank you for the honest reply!

Sanctimonious really wasn't what I was going for, I don't believe I have a superior or moral high ground in the slightest. I apologize if I offended you with my wording, I just believe that some of the things you said at the time were objectively extremely harmful, especially as someone who is aware of the damage abusive relationships cause, I just really felt that I couldn't let it sit. My apologies if it came off as very self-righteous though, that really wasn't my intent.
Edit: I have gone back and edited over some of the rougher parts of my previous reply to make it at least a bit more bearable, again I'm sorry if it came off very self-righteous of over-emotional.

I do believe I may have misworded what I meant when I said "bi-erasure". I think a better way to explain is that from my point of view it seemed like you wanted to somewhat downplay the stereotypes that bi people face by saying that gay men also receive that, but worse, as that wasn't really part of the discussion and rather just seemed to be a sort of redirect to downplay bi stereotypes and issues, which I still agree with to a degree if I'm being honest. My opinion still holds that regardless of the reason, holding prejudice or stereotypes towards bi people as a whole counts as biphobia. Even if it sounds like a very harsh or "triggering" word, it is quite literally exactly what it is.

Agree to disagree indeed. I really do hope you're able to enjoy the rest of this show though, as a queer woman I'm looking forward to seeing this one through! I don't see too many good GL's out there so hoping this one lives up.