The drama is not complex, the drama isn’t well written, the drama isn’t realistic JUST because it’s exploring…
That's the disagreement though, you think slapping a trope on the drama immediately elevates the characters depth and i am saying it doesn't for me. That the writing needs to execute it well too.
For example, she breaks up on him in three fronts at least:
1 - She thinks she is becoming a burden 2- She didn't used to think that way before, hence she comments on how he didn't felt she was heavy back in their school days because he loved her that much. This is not a passing by comment, it's a analogy on their state of affairs she herself builds and a judgment she passes out. 3 - Then she proceeds to collapse both into a third: "we lost the sparkle"
Noble idiocy therefore breaks under its own weight, because she is not being selfless...quite the opposite: she is being selfish and collapsing everything over her own pov. Cool, now we have a great dynamic contradiction in both her and the plot, so how do we explore it? We don't.
We slap the noble idiocy, insecurity and a relationship cooling down on top of each other and pray the audience eats up without questioning the contradiction. That is exactly why you keep having to repeat and defend the characters depth: because it's not coming across as well as it could.
The drama is not complex, the drama isn’t well written, the drama isn’t realistic JUST because it’s exploring…
Oh… you’re actually serious…
Dude, the trope IS part of the character writing in this context… it’s not independent of it, i thought this was obvious? You can’t write a noble idiocy character without assuming he is self sacrificing to some extent like come on.
And yeah, we can sit down and extrapolate who the characters are beyond the writing but you couldn’t even extrapolate noble idiocy tells us something about the female lead, so i don’t see a point on doing so.
You will just come to conclusions supported by nothing in the actual writing or plot and then throw a tantrum when contradicted.
Do you realize not once you made any points, plot or character wise? You just said i was wrong, i couldn’t say what i said and then told me to google.
That’s why i often respond comments like these when they are actually serious, it’s entertaining to call it out.
The drama is not complex, the drama isn’t well written, the drama isn’t realistic JUST because it’s exploring…
Did you actually read the original comment?
“From the way he proposes to her, to the way the SML smashes her phone, to her overly cliche noble idiocy plot in the beginning that bleeds on his martyrdom later on”
This is talking about what? Potato’s?
Are you like, rage baiting or something? Trolling me? Or are you actually serious? Can you read or are you copy pasting everything to gemini?
Many women choose love they believe they deserve, unfortunately. And it turns out they often do not like themselves…
Oh yeah… it’s problematic as hell and it irks me too. After the book fair plenty of essays were uploaded in the youtube, people dissecting the social implications and the phenomena that lead to this.
One angle in particular felt really fresh and new, the channel… a book critic was going on about how we have a demonization of masculinity that keeps collapsing nuanced and layered abstract concepts in binary good and bad moral judgements.
She was going along about how that leads to a gap in what masculinity is that society simply can’t fill fast enough, because modern institutions are better to deconstruct thing than they are to build.
This gap is then noticed by different independent agents of both genders and like all gaps people flood towards.
Then you get guys that are increasingly more stereotypical in their masculinity and girls that keep rewarding this behavior with attention, and everybody is genuinely confused about what masculinity actually means.
She says the cultural aspect plays a huge hole in enabling and pushing this forward, and that is a modern society wide issue beyond just masculinity
Modern society keeps breaking down social norms and we don’t build replacements fast enough, this genuinely breaks the social fabric because suddenly nobody knows what common sense is anymore or what role they are playing in society. Rigid social norms have lots of issues, but one thing they were good at was place people in categories and give them direction… a man knew better what a man was supposed to be back in the day than he knows now: because now everybody has a different opinion on it and there’s no consensus about it and not only that but the previous consensus is rejected/doesn’t fit anymore. Now update that to all kinds of categories and the cognitive overload of navigating todays social landscape is a existential crisis fuel.
Also, if you think about the amount of traction these kinds of story get all the way back to 50 shades of grey and even earlier it seems to be a trope that touches on some deep imbedded psychological shit, hybristophilia just happens to be the extreme example.
The bad boy archetype is not a new thing either, the normalization is what seems to be unique to modern society.
In my country (Brazil) there was a book fair recently, the biggest in Latin America. A six foot, bully type guy came around with a mask and independently stood in front of a dark romance booth, then he proceeded to take advantage of the situation by sexually interacting with the guests that were coming to the booth. Some of those were minor, mind you.
Given the attention this SML is receiving and the huge numbers Early Spring pulled off, i genuinely want to ask you ladies:
If a guy you barely know came around and started threatening you, doing background checks on family, friends, your SO, then smashed your cellphone how would you actually feel? Would you feel he is charming? That some chemistry is building up?
My sister enjoys this kind of dark romance coded story (she is a huge fan of wuthering heights), if a guy like the SML were to come even close to her me and my brother would jump him so fast he wouldn’t see the beating coming.
Contrary to what people are saying in the comments this is the realistic scenario… this or a big statement visit to the nearest police station.
So especially for the young girls in the back: enjoy for your hearts content but treat it as the absurd fiction it is, not a realistic portrayal. That’s were the trivialization of bad behavior begins.
I don’t see all that malice either… or the intention to woo her.He might be leading her on as a consequence…
Couldn’t agree more… i would go even further and say it’s actually healthy for a relationship that couples have a independent life outside of it.
Third places. A personality that isn’t simply being “partner”, and a social circle that knows them beyond the relationship too… it avoids codependency and makes both more resilient.
I also think most people don’t have that… due to trust issues and overall perspective on what a relationship should be.
I also agree the drama isn’t helping, it’s actively selling the pairing. If it’s for angsty purposes only or if it’s actually setting up something we will have to wait to see.
The drama is not complex, the drama isn’t well written, the drama isn’t realistic JUST because it’s exploring…
“But you can’t just deny that the show has characters with greater depth” not only i can, i did just exactly that… with some reasoning to contextualize my opinion.
The drama is not complex, the drama isn’t well written, the drama isn’t realistic JUST because it’s exploring…
No. It’s not… but if you want to think so go ahead, i am not even debating you on it.
I just don’t like the whole “shut up, you don’t get it, your not mature enough, you’re too ignorant to appreciate the depth!” discourse i keep seeing again and again like a broken record.
Anybody that read the webtoon knows this has potential.
The reported budget for this is 45 fucking billions… kim seon ho and suzy after start up would already draw me in regardless but i am genuinely excited for this one.
Kinda hope they go for some kind of romance between the main leads though… the original plot is good, but having a romance between the two wouldn’t really take away from the original vibe in my opinion.
4 episodes down and I Just can't for the next weekend. The plot itself seemed to good to me from the start, a…
The drama is not complex, the drama isn’t well written, the drama isn’t realistic JUST because it’s exploring a somewhat realistic theme… in fact it’s actually full of overused tropes and archetypes.
People like you need to stop, really.
I am tired of people like you coming around and saying bullshit just because and then telling everyone with reasonable criticisms they are not ‘mature enough’.
That’s patronizing bullshit… and people come around and use it as if it’s a badge of superior taste or intellect, yet again and again these same people have the narrative analysis and media interpretation of a mitochondria (not speaking about you specifically here but if the shoes fit wear it, don’t care).
From the way her proposes to he, to the way the SML smashes her phone, to her overly cliche noble idiocy plot in the beginning that bleeds on his martyrdom later on there’s absolutely nothing that warrants this kind of response from you, because a good premise is not a good drama: execution matters and this is obviously not holding up to the expectations.
You can aim for depth and still end up with the depth of a plate, in fact in media the more high you try to aim the harder it is to actually pull it of.
So get off your high horse and stop lecturing people, especially if you don’t have that much media literacy yourself since it seems you’re still attached to the premise instead of judging the actual execution of said premise.
SML is so dark romance coded it makes me puke 🤢 not really seeing that chemistry everybody is talking either, sorry… i smell a alpha-hole trope from a mile away and it doesn’t land as well when you’re not a teenage girl, hard to suspend disbelief.
Similarly, male lead and second female lead have the chemistry of sausage water… they are boring like watching paint dry.
The way the 2ep ends and this 3ep begins would silence the folks that were acting as if this was going to be some masterpiece just because it had a cheating tag, that crowd is suspiciously quiet now.
K-Drama 
For example, she breaks up on him in three fronts at least:
1 - She thinks she is becoming a burden
2- She didn't used to think that way before, hence she comments on how he didn't felt she was heavy back in their school days because he loved her that much. This is not a passing by comment, it's a analogy on their state of affairs she herself builds and a judgment she passes out.
3 - Then she proceeds to collapse both into a third: "we lost the sparkle"
Noble idiocy therefore breaks under its own weight, because she is not being selfless...quite the opposite: she is being selfish and collapsing everything over her own pov. Cool, now we have a great dynamic contradiction in both her and the plot, so how do we explore it? We don't.
We slap the noble idiocy, insecurity and a relationship cooling down on top of each other and pray the audience eats up without questioning the contradiction. That is exactly why you keep having to repeat and defend the characters depth: because it's not coming across as well as it could.
Dude, the trope IS part of the character writing in this context… it’s not independent of it, i thought this was obvious? You can’t write a noble idiocy character without assuming he is self sacrificing to some extent like come on.
And yeah, we can sit down and extrapolate who the characters are beyond the writing but you couldn’t even extrapolate noble idiocy tells us something about the female lead, so i don’t see a point on doing so.
You will just come to conclusions supported by nothing in the actual writing or plot and then throw a tantrum when contradicted.
Do you realize not once you made any points, plot or character wise? You just said i was wrong, i couldn’t say what i said and then told me to google.
That’s why i often respond comments like these when they are actually
serious, it’s entertaining to call it out.
“From the way he proposes to her, to the way the SML smashes her phone, to her overly cliche noble idiocy plot in the beginning that bleeds on his martyrdom later on”
This is talking about what? Potato’s?
Are you like, rage baiting or something? Trolling me? Or are you actually serious? Can you read or are you copy pasting everything to gemini?
Yeah, not taking you seriously anymore… sorry.
One angle in particular felt really fresh and new, the channel… a book critic was going on about how we have a demonization of masculinity that keeps collapsing nuanced and layered abstract concepts in binary good and bad moral judgements.
She was going along about how that leads to a gap in what masculinity is that society simply can’t fill fast enough, because modern institutions are better to deconstruct thing than they are to build.
This gap is then noticed by different independent agents of both genders and like all gaps people flood towards.
Then you get guys that are increasingly more stereotypical in their masculinity and girls that keep rewarding this behavior with attention, and everybody is genuinely confused about what masculinity actually means.
She says the cultural aspect plays a huge hole in enabling and pushing this forward, and that is a modern society wide issue beyond just masculinity
Modern society keeps breaking down social norms and we don’t build replacements fast enough, this genuinely breaks the social fabric because suddenly nobody knows what common sense is anymore or what role they are playing in society. Rigid social norms have lots of issues, but one thing they were good at was place people in categories and give them direction… a man knew better what a man was supposed to be back in the day than he knows now: because now everybody has a different opinion on it and there’s no consensus about it and not only that but the previous consensus is rejected/doesn’t fit anymore. Now update that to all kinds of categories and the cognitive overload of navigating todays social landscape is a existential crisis fuel.
Also, if you think about the amount of traction these kinds of story get all the way back to 50 shades of grey and even earlier it seems to be a trope that touches on some deep imbedded psychological shit, hybristophilia just happens to be the extreme example.
The bad boy archetype is not a new thing either, the normalization is what seems to be unique to modern society.
Given the attention this SML is receiving and the huge numbers Early Spring pulled off, i genuinely want to ask you ladies:
If a guy you barely know came around and started threatening you, doing background checks on family, friends, your SO, then smashed your cellphone how would you actually feel? Would you feel he is charming? That some chemistry is building up?
My sister enjoys this kind of dark romance coded story (she is a huge fan of wuthering heights), if a guy like the SML were to come even close to her me and my brother would jump him so fast he wouldn’t see the beating coming.
Contrary to what people are saying in the comments this is the realistic scenario… this or a big statement visit to the nearest police station.
So especially for the young girls in the back: enjoy for your hearts content but treat it as the absurd fiction it is, not a realistic portrayal. That’s were the trivialization of bad behavior begins.
Third places.
A personality that isn’t simply being “partner”, and a social circle that knows them beyond the relationship too… it avoids codependency and makes both more resilient.
I also think most people don’t have that… due to trust issues and overall perspective on what a relationship should be.
I also agree the drama isn’t helping, it’s actively selling the pairing. If it’s for angsty purposes only or if it’s actually setting up something we will have to wait to see.
Jokes aside, there’s not much to answer here.
You called me a smart ass and gave me a “buaaah i don’t like it! 😭” type of response.
So, ok… i guess?
I just don’t like the whole “shut up, you don’t get it, your not mature enough, you’re too ignorant to appreciate the depth!” discourse i keep seeing again and again like a broken record.
He might be leading her on as a consequence but i don’t think he is doing it with that intention, at least not so far.
The reported budget for this is 45 fucking billions… kim seon ho and suzy after start up would already draw me in regardless but i am genuinely excited for this one.
Kinda hope they go for some kind of romance between the main leads though… the original plot is good, but having a romance between the two wouldn’t really take away from the original vibe in my opinion.
This was manly due to the ML though… SML has nothing on him, dude is hella charming and not a actual psychopath.
SFL almost choked on the convenience store scene.
Smooth like butter, BTS would be proud.
At least a tiny bit.
People like you need to stop, really.
I am tired of people like you coming around and saying bullshit just because and then telling everyone with reasonable criticisms they are not ‘mature enough’.
That’s patronizing bullshit… and people come around and use it as if it’s a badge of superior taste or intellect, yet again and again these same people have the narrative analysis and media interpretation of a mitochondria (not speaking about you specifically here but if the shoes fit wear it, don’t care).
From the way her proposes to he, to the way the SML smashes her phone, to her overly cliche noble idiocy plot in the beginning that bleeds on his martyrdom later on there’s absolutely nothing that warrants this kind of response from you, because a good premise is not a good drama: execution matters and this is obviously not holding up to the expectations.
You can aim for depth and still end up with the depth of a plate, in fact in media the more high you try to aim the harder it is to actually pull it of.
So get off your high horse and stop lecturing people, especially if you don’t have that much media literacy yourself since it seems you’re still attached to the premise instead of judging the actual execution of said premise.
Similarly, male lead and second female lead have the chemistry of sausage water… they are boring like watching paint dry.
The way the 2ep ends and this 3ep begins would silence the folks that were acting as if this was going to be some masterpiece just because it had a cheating tag, that crowd is suspiciously quiet now.
That’s it for today folks.