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Nowadays is all about your labels, don’t you know that? Absurd!

Ya ya ya… whatever

Men often feel like they have to constantly prove their worth in a world that’s all too quick to turn them in a utility, so it would be somewhat realistic even without the grandpa plot.

I wouldn’t say the competitiveness is a exclusively guy thing though, more of a human thing that manifests in many different configurations, hence why the mother shows it too (in a even more intense way)

I have this inkling feeling Bi O growth through Jeong Yo will be way more impactful than the other way around.

Bi O plays without feeling because of his upbringing, so when he finally lands that feel it can make for some really nice emotional scenes.

Hope they get the chills right.

Also, can i just say something from a male perspective? If you think bromance doesn’t involve jealousy of someone else talent you certainly have NOT watched enough soccer matches.

Those things get personal really fast and people take outside feelings to the field ALL THE TIME.

I can see a bromance being competitive… i had plenty of friends i admired to the point of trying to emulate growing up, getting jealous or competitive because the person had characteristics i found hard to cultivate on myself.

That doesn’t have to sour the whole friendship dynamic tho… people are complex beings: you can connect through a passion (music) while also having conflicting feelings because of it.

Again, if you think it’s ridiculous it’s your opinion, you are entitled to that. I still reserve the right to do it because i don’t have to humor your feelings.

I wouldn’t call you a creep though, i prefere to keep my critique general and non-direct.

Can i ask why are you acting as if they are already homosexual? The show hasn’t hammered that yet and if anything it’s resisting that own definition by introducing the female lead.

Shipping heterosexual friends is not the same either.

The equivalent is shipping a LGBT character with a straight one, that’s the good comparison.

Your lie in april is great! This one is on the same ball park… but they haven’t quite explored the competition aspect as much yet.

And coming of age might be more obvious in the later half, we will see.

The point is that you have to find the implications yourself, if i tell you them, you will come back and say: “Uh but it’s your opinion” and i will have to answer “yeah no shit sherlock”.

If you can’t watch media that explores male friendship outside gender norms and expectations, without making their heterosexuality inconvenient to your own wish fulfillment that’s your problem (or solution since it’s all a mater of opinion as you said).

And like i said: i have no power to tell people how they should consume media… but i have no obligation to humor their feelings, this is a comment section: people can have their POV and i can call their POV problematic and we can all agree to disagree.

My problem with it is not on the headcanon or the shipping, is what happens when you use it sexuality to wish fulfill: it makes the character’s sexuality conditional to what these people want to see in the screen, treating as something that is flexible and simple enough to turn into a simplistic device of wish fulfillment, ignoring the narrative in the process and in some of these comments getting annoyed because the author might yuck on your yum turning them brothers (LOL).

The mechanism is this:

Characters sexuality are my source of wish fulfillment>

The sexuality gets reduced to a wish fulfillment in the process>

The sexuality and pairing itself becomes a fetish or a source of objectification.

Weirdly enough i don’t see this happening nearly as much on actual girl friendship media, wonder why.

I mean, to each people their own at the end of the day tho: people reserve the right to come here and comment whatever and i reserve the right to react whatever.

As a heterossexual male… the bromance adds really nicely to the story theme but some of you are giving off unhinged Fujoshi vibes and it’s creepy.

Sexuality is not a fetish… some of you are acting like guys who see lesbian girls and think their problem is that they haven’t slept with the right man yet.

Or guys who watch girls love to meet heterosexual fantasies and for objectification, except those are way less vocal than you.

Also: if you can’t watch a story with a emotionally loaded and sensible male x male friendship without turning into sex/romance think about the implications of that.

And don’t give me the “let people enjoy themselves” crap because i will not be humoring you, if it was the other way around everybody would be telling the truth straight to your faces.

Go read yaoi or watch boys love if you’re so hellbent on getting it, this apparently is not that.

I agree with the comment overall but have a issue with this: “Art was always designed to be a portrait or reality”.

As a artist, this is kind of reductive… first because art is not a subject you can define neatly and second because it’s context dependent.

Art can, indeed, often be a snapshot of reality, but even then is often done in a way that is not to embrace reality for reality sake but to promote the specific vision, message or imagination of the artist.

That being said there’s also plenty of works that go the opposite way and divorce themselves from reality in order to explore potentialities of all kind.

Romeo and Juliet for example, is not a portrayal of realistic love in any meaningful way at all… instead it’s a portrayal of a very specific snapshot of what Shakespeare imagined teenager love could be (keyword here is could and it’s doing a lot of heavy lifting too).

So i would be careful about defining art in such a deterministic way.

Here’s a few dramas that do the cheating plot justice (in case this ends up being another trash):

Doraibu mai kā: the most realistic portrayal of cheating i have ever seen. A master piece study in identity, grief, loss, compartmentalization and suffering… it will strip you naked and leave you to deal with the discomfort.

Hirugao: love affairs in the afternoon - a good exploration of domestic alienation, social contracts and ostracization.

World of the married: cheating portrayed not as a greek romance tragedy, but a psychological colonization of the betrayed.

Lost (2021): emotional cheating as a devastating lifeline for a broken spirit.

Misty: a train wreck that doesn’t shy away from depicting human ugliness… it refuses to sugar coat toxicity.

Secret love affair: great cinematography, almost arthouse and voyeuristic in approach: class critique, liberation and accountability. Catharsis as it should be: painful.

Completely forgot the emotional crying wreck trope, but it is a staple LOL

New teaser, prediction time!

• FL will think love and passion are the same thing and question whether they still love each other, since passion isn’t what used to be.
• At this point, the ML would be preparing to marry her, despite knowing there’s a elephant in the room now (denial is a river in egypt).
• They will have the talk: she will tell him there’s no spark and she will sound surprisingly convincing.
• ML starts to second guess everything, he is now in the Truman Show.
• She will grow increasingly insecure and conflicted… the SML will notice this somehow and capitalize on it, not sure about the chronology here.
• She sees he is shaken by the junior… he sees her looking at the lawyer in a way she simply doesn’t look at him, the questions rises: “do i still have her?” or “should i let her go?”
• Starts considering SFL, she is new… like FL was once, he knows better to confuse that with love (he is the one making the point about things naturally changing after 10 years), but feels shaken too: his partner of 10 years is second guessing their relationship while “swooning” over another guy, meanwhile here’s the junior with her puppy love and sunny eyes, oh so certain about it all.
• Shit has hit the fan, she is now more confused than ever and fragile, he was certain she was the one but now is also hella conflicted, so he proposes a truce: let’s take a break and explore how we feel (which is why they are shown living separately).
• He expects absence to make the heart grow fonder (it doesn’t), instead it opens up imaginary possibilities for both (finally excitement!): suddenly now the hot lawyer or the sunny junior are a actual possibility.
• She will get increasingly more involved with the lawyer (insert legal plot that forces them to interact here) while he will have a more tame ambiguous puppy love with the junior and everybody will pretend they are the same. Because this is kdrama so the male lead will be a punching bag of the plot, the audience, female lead and the SML (SML seems pushy and i already felt like punching him in the teaser alone).
• Jealousy is a bitch, and he will become our source of angst… she will be fairly okay, perhaps conflicted but HE? Oh… he will be a mess for sure (again: male lead = punching bag).

From this point. things can go multiple ways:

1- Run against time to win the FML over again (most likely).
2- Let her go, the damage is done.
3- Increasingly fall for the sunny junior.
4- Realize she was right and the relationship was already done long ago.

ETC… i am hoping i get several of these wrong

I am a absolute sucker for anything music related...i am so ready

Thanks !

I can see what you mean… i think some ideas are harder to portray than others and the more high you aim the harder the fall.

Audiences bring in context… and they are increasingly opinionated and political too.

When these type of plot gets done good thought… ITS GOOD. When it doesn’t land it feels almost like a betrayal of your time.

I don’t usually like these kind of plots… but drive my car (japanese) WRECKED me, stayed with me for weeks… nevertheless on the other hand i dropped with a genuine hate in my heart lol

How is the horror aspect on this one? Is it scary?