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That’s the trope! Noble idiocy! I couldn’t remember for the life of me.

I am a songwriter, so i am always figuring out and researching writing as a extension of that, specially speaker and personas, used to do lot of GM in role-play back in the day too so one thing led to another.

Glad my comment helped!

People be out here acting as if she is a Anna Karenina in flesh right out of a Tolstoi book 😂

I remember saying i felt like punching the SML from the teasers alone… cut to the asshole smashing her phone LOL

That brick satisfied my soul.

Why is everybody acting as if the female lead is a complex character out of the gate?

Guys, having flaws ≠ being complex and going even further: being a complex character ≠ being a well written one.

I would argue the best gauges of a complex character are:

a) They are not predictable
b) You have a hard time figuring out how you want their story to go.
c) Simplistic labels and morals don’t fit nicely.
d) they are full of idiosyncrasies and contradictions.

She has realistic flaws, but those don’t necessarily automatically make her a complex character… for complexity you actually need contrast within the character, not just conflict in the narrative.

I really think i’ve been on a romance fatigue lately… i remember when my first girlfriend introduced me to romance media (mainly josei and kdramas/series).

Back then none of the genre formulas or conventions used to bother me as much… now i can spot formulaic writing and call out cliches from a mile away and i’ve been noticing them too much lately.

The thing about this one in particular is that it’s realistic… nothing that happens on the screen feels like fantasy but there’s nothing unique in the particularities of it: the individual characters trait, tropes and overall relationship dynamics have shown nothing new thus far.

Man, can’t Jeongyo have a break? Dude has a gigantic heart and every reason on earth to be a prick and he still isn’t.

In fact can’t both of them catch a break? These damn adults fostering generational trauma.

Also: wtf? This has gone from 0 to 100 in a hearbeat.

Exactly! Homegirl Is already drifting away and struggling.

Her conflicts are clouding her judgement and biasing everything she sees.

Wondering how they are going to sell a male lead as a viable option…the way i see it she needs some growth, a new face won’t magically fix the underlying problems that made them fall apart in the first place, unless he is indeed a magical solution to her problems and a miraculous boost to her confidence or at least he comes as a way to push her to growth

Yeah… i think the emotional connection will be built going forward now as they try to grapple with their feelings and work it out.

I don’t think we will get much of these 10 years in memories and flashback… perhaps something here or there but i don’t expect that to do the heavy lifting

I don’t really blame you for sitting in the SML camp… but it’s a shame i can exactly see why you would, really.

They could have given the male lead more sauce from the ground up but i will be honest i wasn’t expecting anything different.

And i think his sauce will come in some form of obsessive display of selfless love or something (which is BORING) but we will see, too early to say

Yeah i think so too. I was thinking more about the crying scenes in this episode in specific.

You misunderstood him just like she did… he was preparing to marry her, nobody prepares to marry someone that is a prison sentence.

You don’t say someone is a motivation, a compass and the reason you can keep going through difficult times if they are a prison sentence either.

The comment about holding on 30 years was about work… not her. It was about staying in a job that may be sufferable for the sake of someone else.

Also, he does has his shit together… ages more so than her:

1- He has a stable job meanwhile she is in a career slump and a crisis of self worth.
2 - He clears after a full grown woman.
3 - He is realistic about the natural process of stagnation that comes with relationships.
4 - He is not wallowing in self pity like her
5 - He is quick to apologize too
6 - He micromanages her mood all the way till the break up… giving her three chances to back off from making a emotional choice in the heat of the moment meanwhile she keeps looking for him for reassurance and despite him giving her that is still not enough.

I did said he was going to be a punching bag of the audience but chill… it’s too early and we didn’t even saw enough of his issues to criticize him that way LOL

First impressions:

1 - Their chemistry sells well the idea of a long term relationship, but the acting in terms of showcasing the suffering that comes along when you breakup a ten year relationship didn’t.
2 - Female lead is a mess… she gives off insecure, prideful and self destructive but she oozes charisma.
3 - Male lead on the other hand feels unrealistically understanding, self erasing and too quick to concede: your average larger than life man in love common on these dramas (so everybody who called that out, you might be onto something). He sells well the idea of being good to a fault in this pilot.
4 - Cinematography is good, not remarkable but good… nice portrait shots, colo grading and low lighting.
5 - The breakup doesn’t feel abrupt at all… but the whole “sparkle” talk reads as delulu reasoning from a girl that felt like dumping a ten year relationship was a more sounding choice than dealing with her shit and therefore rationalized away.
6 - The scene where he says he would be able to hold on and keep working till retirement because he implies he has something to protect/support and a reason to keep going and she somehow makes a whole shit show out of it was so melo coded it raised my cortisol levels.
7 - Similarly, she talking about going six months without action while killing the mood of a role play they seemed hella immersed and brushing his kiss off two times in this episode made me eye roll so hard i almost got stuck in the dark, and then there’s the naol in the coffin: my dude… my naive boy goes on to say it’s because they are busy, like for real you think that’s the reason your bedroom is dead? Denial is a river in egypt.

The drama is predictable so far, nothing remarkable yet but no glaring fault either.

Ya aight, go read them books again then

Also here’s a nugget of knowledge to incentivize you to go learn to think for yourself:

Hetero-patriarchy doesn’t exist… patriarchy as defined by actual feminist literature (especially more modern versions like intersectional feminism) is a social phenomenon that is irrespective of gender hence systemic meaning everybody, even queer people, can partake in it and enjoy intersectional privileges from it and more importantly, like any spontaneous social phenomenon born out of circumstance: no real collective is responsible for the creation and maintenance of it.

I am not even a feminist and i smell your superficiality all the way from Brazil, yet you tell me to learn… it’s the pole peeing on the dog.

“I am not seeing you complaining about male and female shipps” because that’s a straw man, my argument is that defaulting bromance to BL robs everybody the opportunity of exploring friendship outside male norms without turning them sexual, NOT that shipping male x male is wrong… they could marry for all i care i would still enjoy the story.

“If you bother learning anything” ad hominem again…really?

”You’re the one forcing straightness”. First of all: do you actually now the terms you are using or are you just parroting them? Because accusing me of forcing straightness on two characters that ARE STRAIGHT SO FAR while championing queering which is a literary tool to force/interpret queerness in otherwise straight media is hilarious.

Your arguments are full of logical gaps, assumptions about me or points that are irrelevant to WHAT I SAID… perhaps instead of reading superficial books on gender studies and parroting academic terms you could do so some logic101 and learn to think independently of collectivism or i don’t know… go back to literacy 101 so you can actually address the points being made instead of arguing with a imaginary enemy with imaginary arguments (there, take your ad hominem back please).

And seeing people default to BL whenever they see affectionate friendship between two guys feels chauvinistic, patriarchal and a display of toxic expectations on masculinity: it means you can’t even conceive a male friendship outside of strict and toxic gender norms so you turn to homosexuality (see how i can do the name calling too?).

Point me to female x male ships where their sexuality is treated as inconvenient.

Like, for real… can’t we have bromance without people turning into yaoi? Or should we as men conform to gender expectations of what male friendship can be?

Then you can go complain about how men in your life are emotionally stunted while contributing to that, and we resume our daily activities.

I don’t see why it’s so hard for people to notice the problematic’s of this when they are (seemingly) “so progressive”, like nobody’s is asking you to reinvent the wheel, just open your minds and be a little empathetic on why it might bother people instead of going: “HOMOPHOBIC!”

Nobody’s mad or crying, i was being sarcastic and mocking your comment. Glad it flew right over your head since you’re were so focused on me instead of what i was saying.

And it’s a 24 drama too… there’s only so much you can do on the next 4 episodes.

I guess i liked the idea of it more so than the execution but at the same time i can’t drop it, like you.

I’ve been up to date with all the episodes so far and thinking about dropping this now is giving me sunken cost paranoia but there’s something not vibing with me on this one.

Don’t know if it’s the dialogues… the editing or the way they handle the conflicts.

It’s giving off major teenager romance vibes too