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Replying to Nepeta 22 Feb 25, 2025
Title Les Belles
Interesting comments. I can't see it. But character-wise yes similar to Flourished Peony character. Someone I…
Yes, I know what you mean in the mannerisms 😅
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Replying to AuroreLinnea Feb 25, 2025
Title Les Belles
Exactly! This is my favorite royal family of all time! The two brothers and the sister are all great characters…
I agree. This one is up there with Follow your Heart's royal family. I loved them all there too. It's nice to see a more normal functioning family.
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Replying to Daenerys Feb 25, 2025
Title Les Belles
This drama really deserves a higher rate. Such a fun easy watch. Not stressful at all. Great enemies to lovers…
That's exactly the issue, without huge fan bases, the ratings tend to be more like this. Having said that, maybe the bar has shifted so much that 7.9 type rating is now considered so and so, but the truth is, the inflation of some of the bigger fan-based dramas have made the ratings shift higher up causing dramas like this to look like they're far inferior when in reality they are not.

It's sad that C-dramas are getting more and more like this causing future projects to reject many decent actors in leads or high support roles. I hope change will be around the corner.
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Replying to MadelineMaureen Feb 25, 2025
Title Les Belles
Jerome Deng looks so much like Mile Wei that I had t o look him up to see if they were siblings. Nope. Just the…
Interesting comments. I can't see it. But character-wise yes similar to Flourished Peony character. Someone I know also watching this says he looks like Hui Yutian! I can't say I see it, he looks more like Deng Lun to me.
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Replying to Cecoshanks Feb 23, 2025
Title Hi Producer
I'm thinking about to watch this drama, but I'm not sure yet.Can someone please let me know, what this drama is…
It's a drama loosely around a production team that produces shows to showcase Chinese heritage. So there will be drama from the production team to experts and hosts. Within that drama, they dedicate around 2-3 episodes to each show and within that you will be treated to historic methods, from clothing, hair pieces to artwork like pottery etc. It's this bit which is a bit like a documentary which is the most interesting.

The bits surrounding the production team to me was not good and let the drama down. The FL was a bit too hyperactive and her mentor's storyline was not interesting. The host and the director's storyline also fell flat for me. What I did like was what the production office workers wore to work, that was nice. If this is interesting to you, then go ahead.
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Replying to Soocrafty Feb 23, 2025
Title Les Belles
she would totally pull off as a male. You know, the female cross dressing here is pretty convincing compared to…
Yes, I noticed they gave extra padding around the back and waist for Zhou Yang Ling character. All the costumes look really nice to be honest. The hair buns on the FL are especially nice! I have to admit, there seems to be more flowers in this drama than Flourished Peony!
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Replying to ura Feb 22, 2025
Sometimes I wonder if the viewers are watching with one eye closed. Her father died, her mother abandoned her…
I didn't come to attack anyone. I was merely responding to a poster clearly not understanding the plot, and I was not at all surprised. Their response was typical of a romance watcher only fixated on the CP and disregarding the storylines because they're not interested in those bits. They're only watching with a narrow vision.

Why is this crazy? Just offering an insight of what I guessed would happen because the author has bitten off more than she can chew and ended up with a story trying to be earnest and offer a subject that would be "interesting" and make a good read. As for the adaptation, the onslaught of trauma porn shows this subject is badly handled and clunky to the point of causing a portion of viewers to not accept or believe such a situation is realistic. That is a shame, because they are missing the mark and have created the opposite of what they are trying to convey.

Laying on the incidences thickly and not knowing when to curb it seems to be the problem with this story. I understand fervent novel fans will not like to hear an alternative opinion, but this is a forum, & I'm just offering my take.

BTW, there are tons of posts from people not fully watching a drama. I decided not to watch because I think that the story is trying to be grown up when it is not. Reality is, it's yet just another re-kindled love from way back. They needed a reason. Oh, I know, let's go with the trauma and assault angle.
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Replying to Nepeta 22 Feb 22, 2025
Title Les Belles Spoiler
The true message of this drama is a light look into females living within the confines of a society during Tang…
Yes, I recommend Flourished Peony which mixes serious with comedy in good measure and FL like in this drama is not relying on the ML to get her out of her issues. Here, I like how it's light hearted but also has a message that runs through. Even how trodden on or how bad the situation is, there is nothing wrong with working with what you have. In her case great looks!
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Replying to ura Feb 22, 2025
Sometimes I wonder if the viewers are watching with one eye closed. Her father died, her mother abandoned her…
My points might be weak to you, but I stand by them. This subject has been used as a plot so that the couple go through ups and down, and not sending out a realistic portrayal of sexual assault victims nor offering a more detailed reason, and in most cases it is not just from poor upbringing like parents abandoning children. It is also about predatory behaviour in all walks of life. Not in your face obvious harassment in the workplace but control and manipulation done on a micro level.

The reason I ask you about the sleep walking bit is to show that her flat mate is not behaving normal and you could argue he could be dishonest and predatory by not telling her what happened the next morning. But, for a romance drama this event has been re-spun into a scene so they can further highlight her frailty and vulnerability just so the ML can gawp at her in this state. This bit is for the "drama".

It's not helpful to the scene and further creating she cannot help herself and needs him to solve her issues. In real life, I would say, most people would see the flat mate as dodgy for not letting her know in the first instance. Why? Clearly this is another excuse to highlight the FL's comatosed state and how gallant the ML can control himself. Sorry for being so direct on that, but that's all the scene is for.

Mental illness or trauma is not "fixed" in this way. It's just poorly handled in the name of making a sensational storyline rather than genuinely tackling assault victims. Have a good day to you too.
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Replying to Nepeta 22 Feb 22, 2025
Title Les Belles Spoiler
The true message of this drama is a light look into females living within the confines of a society during Tang…
Yes, there is emphasis on choice or lack of it and how men with authority have a cultural right to force marriage on women of the time.

Then there are the royal decrees that you really can't get out of which also adds to the pressure. In order to get out of these sticky situations, women may need to be scheming, witty and ahead of the game so the FL and villainess will both have questionable tactics.

If you have come off Flourished Peony, then you will know how the FL also had to deal with all the obstacles. And she was no damsel in distress. More like a fish wife in her approach.
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Replying to Sh_a Feb 22, 2025
Title Les Belles Spoiler
I droped this a few days ago because of a stupid reason and its because of chen xiu and those petty annoying jealous…
The true message of this drama is a light look into females living within the confines of a society during Tang Dynasty and even the so-called short sighted ones will no doubt find their true selves and get some sort of redemption. Chen Xiu is clearly given a far more meatier role so not your classic 2D villainess.
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Replying to bonnie Feb 22, 2025
Title Les Belles Spoiler
I'm on ep 6..So far for me it's a misstep.Dramas usually have the obnoxious female villain in dramas fake act…
Yes it stops very soon. It's mainly the early episodes.
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Replying to ura Feb 22, 2025
Sometimes I wonder if the viewers are watching with one eye closed. Her father died, her mother abandoned her…
The love conquers all is a very simplistic and misleading message. It tries to white wash real-life victims in a babyish way that a knight in shining armour is always around the corner to swoop you off your troubles, I am pretty certain, the novel is aimed at young audiences and I find this even more appalling and dangerous. Using a "drama" to pave over clear difficult cracks.

Yes, what you write is all correct, the message is there, but as seen in the paragraphs above by some portion of viewers, it is definitely lost because the target audience is not here for this and don't have the time of day for all this. They just see it as annoyance and even starting to blame the FL. They are here for lovey dovey romance with a few hiccups along the way. A nice looking ML & FL is what is essential.

This is certainly not the message it should end with and I know you will tell me, the drama is long and winding and they will change. Let's see. Judging from the classic intolerance to the FL here and elsewhere, it's damage already done. In fact, it bolsters the kind of subtle brainwashing of what a mainly male controlled media has done. Now a portion of female viewers are doing the dirty work for the men too. You can't make it up.

Can I ask you? Does the ML tell the FL the first time he witnesses her sleep walking?

Regarding sexual harassment message and beautiful women suffering, that is a very dated and misleading view. It is also misleading to assume the females going through such trauma all lead decent lives eventually. albeit with some protective wall and having a stoney demeanor. Those that don't are waiting for the very decent partner to "coax" her out of it, like some simple ailment.

Many never move on, they do live, but they can relapse and even commit suicide. I resent the fact that this serious issue has been used as subject matter to create friction within the relationship like it's for entertainment. This is why I made my original post. Past trauma of rape or sexual assault to sexual harassment should really not be mixed against romance. It's a challenging and complex subject and often is open ended that cannot be closed off with a neat ending. This drama is just offering pure escapism on this subject.
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Replying to ura Feb 21, 2025
Sometimes I wonder if the viewers are watching with one eye closed. Her father died, her mother abandoned her…
No I have not watched it. I saw some snippets. I know what the story is, and I'm not impressed that they are using part of her past experience as a reason to pad a romance around. There are many subject matters romance dramas can cover, but I feel these subjects are not well thought out and not properly researched when they try to add romance in them. This idea of love conquers all is simplistic and misleading and even demeaning to real-life victims that bears little resemblance to this one case.
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Replying to ura Feb 21, 2025
Sometimes I wonder if the viewers are watching with one eye closed. Her father died, her mother abandoned her…
The reason a portion of viewers are behaving this way is a simple. This novel really shouldn't have been made into a drama. It's OK for someone to pick the novel and read to themselves but a drama? The target audience are not here for the background but for the romance. The way it's done is part of a plot rather than a deeper dive into what really goes on and the aftermath. It's not seriously researched either.

The subject matter will be problematic to a wider audience as seen here. Some simply don't understand or even care. There is an issue when the core part of the drama is about romance against a backdrop of sexual harassment and more. It's clearly not well researched and trying too hard and is over-reaching itself.

In my opinion, this ambitious storyline was always going to fail because in reality, it's very unrealistic to shoe-horn romance with a FL with trauma like that. You either deal with her story as central focus and minimise romance. Here, it's a plot used to push the idea of a male (saviour) partner able to save her, and make everything aright, when in reality it's just not realistic. But worse still, it doesn't truly address these issues within society properly. It's just a handful of clunky stereotypes like flashing with some ugly pot-bellied man.

There is also the dated idea that she is a target because she's just too beautiful when this is so far from the truth in real life. The viewers' impatience or even disbelief at how many times she's a victim lays on the fact that this storyline is done so badly as a plot device that her character is getting bashed whilst her would-be boyfriend is shown in glowing light. This is tragic. The message is there, but from the wrong messenger.

I say, leave this for documentaries or watch something like The Long Season or Imperfect Victim to see how a more carefully researched drama works. It should not be mixed in a idol style romance drama.
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On Les Belles Feb 21, 2025
Title Les Belles Spoiler
Sorry to divert, but on episode 17, Chen Xiu dressed as a male looks so like actor Wang Xing Yue. Am I going mad?
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Replying to stargel_ng Feb 20, 2025
zhang ruonan isn’t pretty enough? are you fr?
Yes, just scanning the forums to see how others are enjoying/not enjoying it. I'm not watching it though, it's just not my thing, but looking forward to seeing Zhang Ruonan in Zhan Zhao Aventures.

Wang Churan in my opinion will have a fine career. I have enjoyed her acting in other dramas so far. Both will do fine in the role I'm sure.
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Replying to stargel_ng Feb 20, 2025
zhang ruonan isn’t pretty enough? are you fr?
I can see your train of thought...Wang Churan😎
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Replying to stargel_ng Feb 20, 2025
zhang ruonan isn’t pretty enough? are you fr?
It would help if you got the surname correctly😁.
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