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Thank you for getting back! I have never seen this on other pages before, so I thought I'd asked. I understand what you mean 😲.

I am assuming Bao Xia and Chen Qing would get together? I was looking forward for that. I felt the ending was a little rushed and not a lot of time was given to Shen Qi or Shen Huan and Shao Yao.

Thanks for the information. Just want to ask, do you know what's happened to all the other comments on this drama, where people were discussing this drama?

Happy Birthday!

Oh gosh!😂 Thanks for clearing that up!

I'm losing track of who is who. Was this lady the same one that returned back to the Hua house with a treasure trove of silver because her husband died in the last or second to last episode? Or was that another daughter? Sorry to hijack on this as this reminded me about that part of the storyline. Only if you have seen to the end.

Thank you for finding the time to read and respond on this. Although I haven't seen this particular drama, it's a shame that some read the blurb and assume it's just some PR exercise to promote CPC policies. This could be lost in translation, but many of the blurbs can come across this way because it reads very literal.

Reality is, when watching, they are actually high quality and thoughtfully done. Not in anyway like how some see it. Some people see China as a monolith which could be what mass media want to paint China as, but delve deeper, many dramas are so far from that. Glad you enjoyed the drama.

Hold your emotions...The fact that you have to write such comments tells me you have an issue with that? Accept that some human beings don't see China as a dictatorship. I prefer to go with the flow. There are a number of reasons dramas are withdrawn/held and all have not been proven at all, just speculation. I know you have had to endure mass propaganda from the western controlled media that is very much evident, but don't try to shame others that can think independently.

I don't know why it's showing up as airing. I heard other people say it premiered in Cannes a couple of weeks ago. I checked IQIYI earlier today and it says "coming soon" for reservation.

My original posts were to someone who has now somehow deleted their comments. My post to you was more on why you wrote so much to such a lengthy post to someone that so happens to see a couple of Youtube videos. I have no issue for those that side with victims of violence/genocide. You are entitled to this.

My views may come across a bit cynical, but they need to be said. Whilst you don't want to see the pain and want to help, I see these victims being used as some sort of political football. That does not mean I side with an aggressive regime or authority. It's just an overall observation that some people don't see happening, that's why I wrote what I wrote earlier.

My views on China is not all rose tinted, like all countries, they have their good and bad sides. But I resent some (without questioning or thinking) that just tar the whole nation as if it's a monolith, but when pushed they hide behind the tag-line of then just blaming the Communist Party. They are just sinophobic and cannot accept it. Those that do that have absorbed the drip drip of "othering" China and making the whole country an unthinking nation which is so far from the truth.

There seems to be a couple of posters that have turned this drama page into a political issue when this drama was based from a well known book. These posters were challenged but then deleted their posts.

Making claims of a Uyghur genocide actually needs factual evidence, "extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence". Instead of repeating propaganda/testimonials. Critical thinking is needed if you truly cared about human rights abuses. 20 minutes of researching the claims yourself, will give you the answers. Slavery, cotton picking🙄, no language or script allowed, forced sterilisation/de-population etc. This poor drama has been hijacked by trolls.

Muslims have lived for more than 1000s of years in China. Xinjiang was part of China for over 2000 years but it was sparsely populated. It became the beginning of the silk road, that's when traders came in from West Asia and traders within China went there to trade goods out.

Muslims (Bosnians, Uyghurs Muslims, Chechen, Balochistan & Rohingyas) have been weaponised when it suits the west for political purposes, under the banner of human rights to legitimise intervention (invasion) into other countries' sovereign territories. Some of these groups, including the ETIM who the US imprisoned in Gitmo and were designated a terrorist group during the "war on terror". However they now fund and arm ETIM - suddenly claims of a forced genocide in Xinjiang whilst painting this group as victims, quietly taking them off the terrorist list.

The soft left have always been used as a convenient tool, but if everyone took time & used critical thinking to check facts out, rather than be getting your facts from the mainstream media of which 90% are funded by a handful of companies based in Washington. The same MSM & Washington that tells us, there is a "genocide" in Xinjiang CN, with no evidence presented whilst there is NO genocide in Gaza, even when we can see with our own eyes what's happening there.

I’ll repeat what I wrote elsewhere. This “concentration camp” you claim some Muslim Uyghurs are held is a re-education camp. In the country I live in, we have exactly the same thing. It’s a re-education programme for those that have been found guilty of terrorism.

The mainstream media deliberately re package that using “trigger” words, editing photos and you chose to side with media controlled by right wing media think tanks from Washington. Don’t think the social media and news are balanced and independent. Today you are far more likely to get the opposite.

Uyghurs along with a fair few ethnic groups in China have always had special status in China, from education to the old one child policies where they were exempt. These are facts not speculation but if you are using Google you will see it’s very hard to find these facts because the agenda is already there to build a negative image of China.

This is why the western nations are so scared of Tiktok. For the first time, they cannot accept or want a social media platform they are unable to control, because they have always been controlling the narrative. And that narrative is no one should support the Palestinians. Your comments about Palestine and China is wrong. China has consistently supported Palestine. The stance has stayed consistent, and this is not because it's the opposite of what the west supports so they support the other side.

I hope you will do more in-depth research on such areas to really see past the propaganda that’s force fed to people today, and yes I’m not talking about China.

Yes, the genocide has to be proven. Statistic -wise, not there. Population has grown there. UN has come in to inspect last year & found no proof. Satellite imaging still show no proof unlike what we see which is rockets & drone attacks all over Gaza killing thousands and yet that's never genocide.

The propaganda you prefer to hear from are former coloniser countries that know all about genocide. I would more trust those that have been through oppression and apartheid (South Africa) over those that have knowingly bullied and gave those they held with indefinite detention in Gitmo to then make use of those "terrorist" Uyghur Muslims.

Just so you know, a core portion of those complaining about China were former Gitmo prisoners when there was a so-called War on Terror which China then were friendly with the US were part of. The only difference today compared with the west is China is consistent in their commitment but the west use Muslims and move the goal post when it suits.

These prisoners from 2000s would be the ones to be used to create a new terrorist organisation ETIM. They were hardened terrorists and you can Google this. Later US quietly took them off their terrorist list when they needed to use them. Human rights have been used in politics. They don't actually care about what's going on in Xinjiang.

Why are you writing such a long post to someone and all who hasn't even seen the drama? We all don't know anything yet. What we do know is it is based off a novel. Did you know all Nobel Peace Prize winners must toe the line of western propaganda? You should open your eyes a bit rather than fall for some "cool obscure" cause deliberately designed to actually take your eyes off the real ball. US struggling to hold their voice in the world due to China's growing influence with the Belt & Road project and closer ties with the global south. You are doing the dirty work for the masters if you are so quick to believe one or two voices.

Can you show me actual proof they are committing genocide? The UN was in China last year. The reports have come out. There has been no official proof of genocide unless you fell for the classic US funded aid groups that try to claim they're the letter when they aren't. There was even a laughable "war tribunal" held in London 2 years ago trying to hood wink the basic passer-by into thinking it's some official hearing when it's just a CIA funded stunt. You really cannot admit that you are actually swallowing the full western strain of propaganda.

Finally, genocide is official when the aggressor pens in the natives and make them live the new way of life including converting them to another religion. I have seen this in America. In Canada, they sexually abused and forced native orphans into converting to Christianity. This also happened in Australia and New Zealand. No doubt the expert in genocide wants to re-define genocide in China but at the same time aiding and supplying arms to genocide Palestinians under the guise of fighting terrorism. Oh the irony, you can't even make it up. The liberal left always fall for the right wing propaganda.

Your comments are so naive. A Youtube video here and there and still no actual proof (not made up unofficial CIA Funded aid groups) that people in Xinjiang have been proven to be living in camps. In the west, it's called prison BTW. The UN has been there last year. Here in the west, terrorist acts puts you in prison, and in China no different. No doubt you got that re-spun for the western strain of propaganda.

Don't you find it ironic that near enough all OIC member countries have visited China and support China unlike the (just)17% of the world's population (trying to control the narrative) that so happens to be former coloniser countries.

True genocide are those that "pen" the natives inside a small town and I have seen that in America. Then take over the land. Same with Canada and then Australia and then New Zealand. Let me guess, there is a high chance your tax is funding genocide and enforcing apartheid and breaking of international law right now with what's happening in Gaza. No doubt, what China does for its people is just "oh so scary". You've swallowed the full propaganda. China is full of Muslims with restaurants catering to their needs, and the floppy liberal left are easy targets of right wing agenda thinking China only has Muslims in Xinjiang. I will watch this when it comes out. It's based from a book but if you have bias, you'll use that to batter China.

City of a city. Addictive to watch and up there with War of Faith.

Sometimes, it might not seem necessary but that also adds a touch of realism in my opinion. That drama was more or less re-counting real history and the deaths caused on both sides of a civil war.

So far I have watched up to 17 episodes and think that there are two main leads. Bai Yu Fan and Xia Meng the slightly younger couple and Yu He Wei and Long Ni the possibly the other couple. To be honest, Lawrence Wang and Feng Jia Yi are also main characters. I recommend it highly if you like investigative and banking sector stuff. If you like War of Faith or something like The Knock-out, then this would likely interest you. This drama is one of the good ones this year.

Your reply and comments are quite typical and quite basic with what I wrote. What part did I say white people? For your information, the subtle propaganda is not for just white people. In fact, the more ethnic people the better. The best and ideal messenger would be using the ethnic minorities in those countries to do the more difficult jobs without being labelled a racist.

On MDL, I suspect a portion are from ethnic countries or ethnic people living in former coloniser countries. I'm not enforcing any viewpoint. It's just some don't like to hear the fact that some may be under the spell of the western strain of propaganda and most importantly the western culture.

This is why I wanted to state that the "boring" stories of the republican era done in a proud and in-yer-face way is China's culture and China's way and may not suit your subtle round-about way of re-selling patriotism. I gave a reason, history in other countries are not carbon copies of China's history.

Finish up with this. I seldom see anyone saying the same when it's a Ming Dynasty, Qing Dynasty or Tang/Song Dynasty drama. But in a drama set last 100 years, we see "propaganda", "boring" and "CCP". Unless you lived in China the last 30 years, I would say many of people's comments are from what they read, through news, social media, books and on the internet. Think who shapes the world view-point? No question about that... yet if you were told China shaped the world view, be honest and think how many will react and think. All very relevant to the conversation here on this film.