Ok I've watched the first two episodes and I like it. But is this headed to be an entire series about an unrequited love? Not sure I'm in the mood for another one of those. Thanks in advance for anyone who responds.
People are giving bad ratings because they feel emotionally manipulated and are upset by these old fashioned tropes.…
In MODC, one of the lovers gets hit by a truck while crossing the street and dies. The entire series is a build up of their happiness (while fighting some bigotry from parents) and then in the last episode... tragedy, with the remaining lover going into deep despair. The End.
Don't you think "toxic" is incredibly harsh? She's lost her son! I hope you never have to face something that…
Agreed 100%. Something to consider, which is very important... even though Ken hadn't officially come out to his mother, she knew. Most of the time mothers just know. Ken even said it himself: "Mom, I'm your son. You've always known. You were just the last to admit."
This is obvious when Monica is hounding Ken about not dating Sandee, and Ken was dancing around her questions. SHE KNEW.
And, because Monica knew, she had a lot of time to think and come to terms with it, had she chosen to do that. But no, she chose to cling to her homophobia, which she obviously had for years.
So she lashes out against Ken, screaming at him like a lunatic, as though he had committed the biggest crime of the century... and now he is dead. She's pretty much abandoned Lawrence, who very well may be gay, too.
I actually wondered if Monica's husband had been gay and left her, and that's why she is so homophobic. That would at least provide some sort of explanation for her erratic behavior. If not (and even if so), this is not at all the sign of a stable person, let alone a good mother. The woman needs therapy.
Don't you think "toxic" is incredibly harsh? She's lost her son! I hope you never have to face something that…
Get off your damn high horse and make your own attitude adjustment, honey. Your sanctimonious proclamations won't fly with me, nor anyone else here.
The way the mother behaved is anything but "excusable." If you're quick to excuse that kind of nasty, homophobic behavior, go ahead. Don't expect everyone to follow.
Also, it is 2020, not 1980. Adults (parents) today, for the most part, are much more evolved than those of older generations. Those who continue to be homophobic make that choice. Monica doesn't get a free pass just because she's a "mother."
I was just remembering the first episode in the classroom, where they were discussing the role of the protagonist and the antagonist in Kevin's story, with Ken saying that the antagonist character might consider herself a hero.
I'm wondering if Episode 8 is going to have some tie in to all of that... maybe?
Teresa said that the antagonist did not deserve to be happy, which the professor questioned. And here we all are, arguing about Sandee and the mother, how much at fault they are, and whether or not they should be forgiven...
Don't you think "toxic" is incredibly harsh? She's lost her son! I hope you never have to face something that…
The mother was toxic long before losing her son. The hate and anger when she found out he was gay is inexcusable. She acted like she would have been more accepting if Ken were a murderer. Women like that -- with no capability of loving their children unconditionally -- should think long and hard before ever giving birth.
Same here. I am concerned this was not a good BL to be the first to air in the Philippines. Heck, is this a BL…
For me, if a series is dealing with guys in a same-sex relationship, then it's BL. Some people would argue that the definition of BL is different, and that's okay. That's another topic.
In the end, I don't think it really matters. What does matter is that THIS is what has been chosen to be aired. While my hat is off to the actors and to the production itself, I'm very disappointed that this was the direction they decided to take.
Maybe - but the tragedy underscores how homophobia destroys lives and families. Maybe that's a more important…
That message has been sent out many, many times. For a groundbreaking BL -- one that is being shown on primetime television for the first time -- a message of normalcy and acceptance would have been a huge step forward.
As is, the message is just encouraging gays to remain in the closet.
I'm okay with tragedy portrayed in a series... but this was NOT the BL story that needed to be told to a nationwide television audience in The Philippines.
Sandee is horrible. But the mother is to blame. She could have stood by her son and not acted like his gayness…
Thanks. That's my point: Sandee was awful for outing Ken but, in the end, it was the mother's reaction to it that caused the accident. The mother could have (and should have ) reacted differently, with compassion for her son. Instead, she acted with disgust and hate... even six weeks after the accident. That is why I mostly blame the mother. She never should have had children.
Sandee is to blame for everything. As much as she cry or regret, its not gonna change the fact that if Ken and…
Sandee is horrible. But the mother is to blame. She could have stood by her son and not acted like his gayness was worse than if he were a murderer. The mother is a useless piece of crap and should never been allowed to give birth to a child. Parents should love their children unconditionally. What a miserable excuse for a human being. Sorry, but it's true.
I guess I'm in the minority... I love the Tin/Can chemistry here.
I do know what you mean. Honestly... as much as I've enjoyed it (and as a gay guy), I'm getting more and more turned off by Thai BL.
At first it was great, because we gays have never (or rarely) had any series/shows which show us in a positive light. But, after a certain point, the whole "I'm really straight, but only gay for you" thing got pretty tiresome.
That seems to be the trope of Thai BL, although I really do love the Tin/Can dynamic.
I understand that BL started as a fantasy for straight women, and that's cool. I love fantasy.
But, as BL gained popularity, more and more gay boys/men became fans, because they had never grown up with "boys love" acceptance in films. It became our haven.
This is obvious when Monica is hounding Ken about not dating Sandee, and Ken was dancing around her questions. SHE KNEW.
And, because Monica knew, she had a lot of time to think and come to terms with it, had she chosen to do that. But no, she chose to cling to her homophobia, which she obviously had for years.
So she lashes out against Ken, screaming at him like a lunatic, as though he had committed the biggest crime of the century... and now he is dead. She's pretty much abandoned Lawrence, who very well may be gay, too.
I actually wondered if Monica's husband had been gay and left her, and that's why she is so homophobic. That would at least provide some sort of explanation for her erratic behavior. If not (and even if so), this is not at all the sign of a stable person, let alone a good mother. The woman needs therapy.
The way the mother behaved is anything but "excusable." If you're quick to excuse that kind of nasty, homophobic behavior, go ahead. Don't expect everyone to follow.
Also, it is 2020, not 1980. Adults (parents) today, for the most part, are much more evolved than those of older generations. Those who continue to be homophobic make that choice. Monica doesn't get a free pass just because she's a "mother."
I'm wondering if Episode 8 is going to have some tie in to all of that... maybe?
Teresa said that the antagonist did not deserve to be happy, which the professor questioned. And here we all are, arguing about Sandee and the mother, how much at fault they are, and whether or not they should be forgiven...
Hmmmmm.
If that sounds harsh... it's meant to be.
In the end, I don't think it really matters. What does matter is that THIS is what has been chosen to be aired. While my hat is off to the actors and to the production itself, I'm very disappointed that this was the direction they decided to take.
As is, the message is just encouraging gays to remain in the closet.
At first it was great, because we gays have never (or rarely) had any series/shows which show us in a positive light. But, after a certain point, the whole "I'm really straight, but only gay for you" thing got pretty tiresome.
That seems to be the trope of Thai BL, although I really do love the Tin/Can dynamic.
I understand that BL started as a fantasy for straight women, and that's cool. I love fantasy.
But, as BL gained popularity, more and more gay boys/men became fans, because they had never grown up with "boys love" acceptance in films. It became our haven.
Sorry, I went off on a tangent!