...but the FL is starting to get on my nerves. I'm not a big fan of women crying and screaming all the time. It's not feminine to show feelings by yelling all the time, it's childish behavior.
Need to take a break watching it...cause my ears starting so bleed.
Neither of these are one sided longing. Im not sure how anyone could watch thid and come to this conclusion.
Using therms like "fuck off" and "shit" is very adult and no violent language at all.
Beside: you didn't see through the narrative. DH doesn't act without reason. He deliberately tries to keep JY away from him because he feels guilty towards him. This is his way of taking responsibility. Both characters are not as one-dimensional as you make them out to be. JY is also behaving incorrectly. e.g. he sympathizes with the abuser.
You make some very interesting points. This why I really wish we had more than eight episodes. If this was not…
Personally, I always think it's a good thing when everything isn't told and explained down to the smallest detail. It's good if the viewer is given scope to make their own observations and draw conclusions. This is more interesting and exciting. It also offers the opportunity to work out different aspects and give the viewer their own perspective. Personally, I like stories like this better because they make you think more and aren't just consumed.
The background of DH's father and mother is actually irrelevant too. What does it bring to the viewer to understand what happened to the parents? In the end, they are adults and responsible for their actions and decisions. This is what it means to be an “adult”! At some point you are old enough to reflect and change things - to make them better than the previous generation.
There are alcoholics who are 50 or 60 years old and justify their addiction by saying they had a bad childhood. But they are adults! Old enough to take responsibility for themselfs.
The father (and also the mother) have not grown up! They take no responsibility for themselves. Their background story is therefore unimportant. All that matters to the viewer is that they have abandoned their child and neither understand nor regret their actions.They are immature adults.
You always have a choice - no matter how severe the trauma of your own childhood was! You just have to have the courage to face it and take responsibility.
Regarding JY's behavior:
He is a people pleaser! He tries to maintain an “ideal world” at all costs. This is his trauma. He grew up in a religious family and had to play “ideal world”. He also had to "take it" for the sake of the "happy family". We know such families who keep up appearances on the outside and act as a happy family. But he was neither seen nor heard by his parents. He just had to play along and when he no longer fit into the ideal world, his parents deported him to another place.
So we have two people here who have weak ties. One (JY) is passively afraid of attachment (dependent) the other (DH) is actively afraid of attachment (avoidant).
But they have a chance to heal together. Hopefully^^
This is my thought why DH broke off contact with JY:
DH has had an odyssey:
- in Ep 1+2 you can see the trophies and certificates on the wall. One can only imagine how DH was forced to practice Taekwondo as a very young child by his father and was brutally insulted and injured in the process.
- DH was abandoned by his mother because she could no longer stand his father. How terrible must this realization be for a child? How can a child understand that?
- In various scenes you can see how the father hits DH's neck. This gesture is particularly derogatory, as if he were punching him in the face. In another scene, the father tries to hit DH with a heavy ashtray. We can only imagine, how often such things happened to DH !
- In one scene the father blames DH for opening the Taekwondo Gym too late even though it is the father's business. DH has to make breakfast for JY and take care of a lot of things, but gets nothing in return except insults from his father and reprimands.
- DH experiences no love, no affection, no praise, no recognition.
- On the night of his final exam, DH is "ringed awake" by his father, who gets drunk in the gym and wakes his son up because he needs cigarettes? What kind of father is this? How bad does a father have to be to do something like that to his child? How much do you have to disrespect and hate your own child to neglect it like that?
- On Top Dh is bullied and even beaten up by other teenagers because his father is such a bad person! He is beaten on behalf of his father. For his father, whom he himself detests from the bottom of his heart.
- DH tells JY how desperately he wants to leave this place - his Home. He is crying and emotionally desperate when he talks to JY. DH needs to escape!
AND there is JY ..... ...... WHO claims not to be beaten! He denies the abuse. He lies straight to DH's face! ......WHO stays in contact with the abuser and visits him and even goes out to eat with him! ......WHO wants to keep the gym after the death of DH´s father.
DH can't stand this and he can't understand it. He also says this to JY once. He says that he can't accept JY's "morality" because it makes him feel misunderstood and it upsets him.
For DH, the worst thing is that JY doesn't condemn his father for what he did to him and even protects him. That's why he calls JY selfish because he considers his moral ethical feelings more important than his love for DH.
Instead of comforting DH and being there for him, JY sides with the perpetrator!
It must hurt DH deeply that his love JY isn't completely on his side.
That JY is still trying to talk things over with his father instead of trying to understand what happened to DH.
DH may seem hard-hearted and harsh at times, but you can tell he doesn't know what else to do and he had to put up a wall to protect himself.
From 헤븐리 Heavenly:"도회가 뭔가를 숨기고 있는 것 같아 🫣보드라운 행복으로 포장한…
It's already a good ending because two people who were completely on their own in life found each other by chance and gave each other support. One experienced severe abuse. Emotionally and physically raped from an early age. The other grew up in a religious family that ultimately didn't listen to him and wasn't there for him when he needed them. They were completely alone - until they found each other and were able to understand each other without many words. So it doesn't matter what comes next in episodes 7 and 8. Both have already won - with and for each other.
1) When did Ju Yeong get the necklace? The necklace he later removes in ep5 when Hyeon Ho is involved. Was the necklace a present from Do Hoe? 2) What is the thing, that rolls onto the bedside table in Ep. 6 in the flashback scene?
She needs voice training. Honestly. She screamed disgustingly from her "headvoice" all the time. So annoying.
Or is this a "cultural thing" (I am from europe) ?
Did the director pushed her to do so?
What where they thinking?
I finished Ep 7 and still don't know exactly what the title Mr Plankton means.
The only connection I found is that Hae Jo drifts through life, like plankton, that can't actively swim anywhere and has no goal.
I enjoy watching the show. It´s well made.
...but the FL is starting to get on my nerves. I'm not a big fan of women crying and screaming all the time. It's not feminine to show feelings by yelling all the time, it's childish behavior.
Need to take a break watching it...cause my ears starting so bleed.
It's incredible that he did that!
Only by watching I was also ashamed of DH.
This is a serious matter.
I am an ingenieur in Life Science with several graduation certificates.
I could NEVER imagen to fake one of them!
I was really shocked when this came out.
BUT it explains everything. DH´s behavior and his decisions towards JY.
I deeply cried inside about this fuck*ing Sh*t DH did! I couldn't believe it.
Good for him, that someone stayed by his side and didn´t judge him.
Beside: who gave him that weird Japanese haircut? 😆
Beside: you didn't see through the narrative. DH doesn't act without reason. He deliberately tries to keep JY away from him because he feels guilty towards him. This is his way of taking responsibility. Both characters are not as one-dimensional as you make them out to be. JY is also behaving incorrectly. e.g. he sympathizes with the abuser.
The background of DH's father and mother is actually irrelevant too. What does it bring to the viewer to understand what happened to the parents? In the end, they are adults and responsible for their actions and decisions. This is what it means to be an “adult”! At some point you are old enough to reflect and change things - to make them better than the previous generation.
There are alcoholics who are 50 or 60 years old and justify their addiction by saying they had a bad childhood. But they are adults! Old enough to take responsibility for themselfs.
The father (and also the mother) have not grown up! They take no responsibility for themselves. Their background story is therefore unimportant. All that matters to the viewer is that they have abandoned their child and neither understand nor regret their actions.They are immature adults.
You always have a choice - no matter how severe the trauma of your own childhood was! You just have to have the courage to face it and take responsibility.
Regarding JY's behavior:
He is a people pleaser! He tries to maintain an “ideal world” at all costs. This is his trauma. He grew up in a religious family and had to play “ideal world”. He also had to "take it" for the sake of the "happy family". We know such families who keep up appearances on the outside and act as a happy family. But he was neither seen nor heard by his parents. He just had to play along and when he no longer fit into the ideal world, his parents deported him to another place.
So we have two people here who have weak ties. One (JY) is passively afraid of attachment (dependent) the other (DH) is actively afraid of attachment (avoidant).
But they have a chance to heal together. Hopefully^^
DH has had an odyssey:
- in Ep 1+2 you can see the trophies and certificates on the wall. One can only imagine how DH was forced to practice Taekwondo as a very young child by his father and was brutally insulted and injured in the process.
- DH was abandoned by his mother because she could no longer stand his father. How terrible must this realization be for a child? How can a child understand that?
- In various scenes you can see how the father hits DH's neck. This gesture is particularly derogatory, as if he were punching him in the face. In another scene, the father tries to hit DH with a heavy ashtray. We can only imagine, how often such things happened to DH !
- In one scene the father blames DH for opening the Taekwondo Gym too late even though it is the father's business. DH has to make breakfast for JY and take care of a lot of things, but gets nothing in return except insults from his father and reprimands.
- DH experiences no love, no affection, no praise, no recognition.
- On the night of his final exam, DH is "ringed awake" by his father, who gets drunk in the gym and wakes his son up because he needs cigarettes? What kind of father is this? How bad does a father have to be to do something like that to his child? How much do you have to disrespect and hate your own child to neglect it like that?
- On Top Dh is bullied and even beaten up by other teenagers because his father is such a bad person! He is beaten on behalf of his father. For his father, whom he himself detests from the bottom of his heart.
- DH tells JY how desperately he wants to leave this place - his Home. He is crying and emotionally desperate when he talks to JY. DH needs to escape!
AND there is JY .....
...... WHO claims not to be beaten! He denies the abuse. He lies straight to DH's face!
......WHO stays in contact with the abuser and visits him and even goes out to eat with him!
......WHO wants to keep the gym after the death of DH´s father.
DH can't stand this and he can't understand it. He also says this to JY once. He says that he can't accept JY's "morality" because it makes him feel misunderstood and it upsets him.
For DH, the worst thing is that JY doesn't condemn his father for what he did to him and even protects him. That's why he calls JY selfish because he considers his moral ethical feelings more important than his love for DH.
Instead of comforting DH and being there for him, JY sides with the perpetrator!
It must hurt DH deeply that his love JY isn't completely on his side.
That JY is still trying to talk things over with his father instead of trying to understand what happened to DH.
DH may seem hard-hearted and harsh at times, but you can tell he doesn't know what else to do and he had to put up a wall to protect himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzKJQTEH9o
1) When did Ju Yeong get the necklace? The necklace he later removes in ep5 when Hyeon Ho is involved. Was the necklace a present from Do Hoe?
2) What is the thing, that rolls onto the bedside table in Ep. 6 in the flashback scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzKJQTEH9o
Ep 1/1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7AfdK2tFyk#
Ep1/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr11Uiy8W2k