Tomcrocs

I completely agree but I fear most people are just gonna interpret what they want to believe, with Ah Jin as completely evil and the men being her tragic victims of manipulation...

It's kind of wild seeing all the comments portraying Ah Jin exactly as Junseo would, where the audience actually feels represented and roots for Junseo.

And how he's literally an author whose success was from writing about Ah Jin's story....its kind of meta how we see him write about Ah Jin and we're seeing what he's writing about her as the show

You should take a sec to look up what coerce means lol. And then maybe reflect on yourself and why you only feel sorry for the men! I hope in real life you can have more empathy towards others :)

Omg so you were being serious. Wow.

>> All the luck that kept coming her way wasnt due to some master plan. She reacted based on survival mode and others had to constantly come in to save her. Men needed to save her. A victim of the system created by her? Society? <<
So she didn't create any systems and all the luck that kept coming her way is from society?? She should've been more thankful I guess...

>> I said she is a victim of a system society created and she happily took advantage of. She has always believed she was better than the system and so thought Suffering was benneath her.<<
She took advantage of being a victim...so would you rather she just let herself be the victim forever? She's both the victim of the system while taking advantage of the system.......Wow!!

And everything you say about suffering doesn't make any sense. You know she's suffered her whole life and she's desperate to escape, yes! That literally makes her different from everyone else in the show???? Because nobody else is trying to escape the kind of past and the kind of suffering she's been through?????? Are you saying she should've endured getting beat up regularly and not able to pursue any opportunities she's worked hard for, the same way other people endure...what?? A star baseball player getting injured so he runs a coffee store for a few years? A rich kid from a rich family finding out he's not related by blood?

But I guess they've suffered and faced their consequences, right?

Wait help I think you're missing the point...
I didn't say she was blameless, I was calling you out for saying she deserved what she got but if we use your same logic, others would have deserved what they got and you wouldn't feel bad for them either.

And she's definitely took advantage of people, but she never coerced anyone to do her bidding, so why aren't you saying other people are just suffering the consequences of their decisions like you say with her???

You blame the two guys obsessed with her fools...are the others not fools then? Are you also blaming the actor for being obsessed with her then...

You're saying she should've just killed her dad alone, even though we see her try and just get beat up instead so it's not even an option....But sure, she just didn't want to "get her hands dirty".

It's almost like its so easy to tell others what they shouldve done instead of thinking with our brain for ourself

^^Agree!! I was specifically confused about how they hated AFTER Jae Oh lol. But for In-Gang, Ah Jin was the breaking point, but he's been on that path for 10 years while his boss knowingly watches him suffer more and more. And while its horrible to take advantage of someone suffering and vulnerable, Ah Jin's not responsible for his actions. She's not a good person since she never learned feelings like compassion, etc. But the boss is the worse offender by understanding how In Gang's pain might feel and still trying to make as much money from his as possible. I just think about what would've happened if the grandma didnt dies :(((( She could've learned how to form healthy relationships

Hmmm I don't know which "three men" you felt bad for and why you don't feel bad for her though...you're definitely not giving the men the same judgement you're giving her?? So none of the men "chose the path" they traveled? She shouldn't have "gotten tangled up with someone crazier than her" but the men are the victim bc they got tangled up with her?????

The cafe owner, would you define him "entirely the victim"? If he was fine letting his team bribe the police, give her an unfair trial and go to prison so he could save his career? If she just let it happen, would he have "accepted responsibility"???

I just wish you wouldn't "excuse bad behavior and not hold ppl accountable for their actions" only for the girl you don't feel sorry for, but also for the men as well. It just seems like there's a HUGE double standard here

Ummmm is this ragebait lol.

Cuz "all humans suffer" is crazy because her life's been on the line so many times, and I don't think she "created" those systems just so she would need to get "saved by men". If you think almost dying multiple times but getting saved at the last second is lucky, then I'm scared what you consider "unlucky".

Shouldn't we be MORE empathetic to those suffering if we can relate to having suffered ourselves (since "all humans suffer")??? Pretty sure everybody wants to live a peaceful life just like Ah Jin's been saying the entire show.

The men were never threatened, harmed, or blackmailed to do Ah Jin's bidding...most of them had much more resources than her to choose their actions. It's not her fault if people like Jun Seo never found a purpose in life besides Ah Jin, or even any sort of fulfillment from his career or friends (potential friends since he pushed everyone away). If anything, he's clinging and leeching off of her life instead of living his own.

Well, its not like she had any options since her husband was above the law and controlled the media...while drugging her and constantly surveilling her. Also Ah Jin never once threatened/abused/harmed Jae Oh to do what she wanted??? Jae Oh was the one who dug into the CEO's past, so he's definitely much more capable than Ah Jin who can barely remember anything. And didn't tell ANYONE about his plan....c'mon did we watch the same show

Anyways, if someone doesn't have any purpose in life besides some girl he's willing to die for, I don't think the girl is responsible, but actually maybe the victim. Like why does she have to deal with someone else's problems or be pressured to act differently fearing that he "can't handle it". You can care for someone but their actions are not your responsibility.

Trueee the real tragedy is that Ah Jin never even had a chance...she got to experience the only healthy love in her life for maybe a minute from the grandma before she fell, which is even more cruel than not feeling that at all. And the fact that besides the grandma, there were not characters with any emotional maturity/emotional intelligence....maybe the ex-baseball guy after he found god in prison LOL

Idk if I'm giving the writers too much credit, but we've all saw how capable the writers are before episode 9, so they definitely know how to handle complex characters and storylines. I'm pretty sure the studio wasn't gonna "promote sociopathic activities" so the ending never could have Ah Jin win in any way. I'm just sad they ruined her character by prioritizing speeding up the plot, but the writers probably didn't have other options.

I loved that you said full of personality bc epi 9 to the end, Ah Jin just feels like a caricature of herself and like her personality was just gone.

And the ending....I guess its just a tragedy for everyone, no one gets redemption, Ah Jin's basically back where she started.

But the guys...they've lived their whole lives with no personal aspirations besides Ah Jin? I guess the moral of the story is to find a purpose for ourselves, no matter the background. And maybe some friends too.

I'm so saddd bc they've been so good at showing each of her motivations and decision-making processes before episode 9, and then she just becomes this token caricature of herself?? And we're just stumbling around with her super confused :((

But she's not most people lol I thought that was the whole point of the show. And literally anyone would be suspicious when some rich mysterious man suddenly shows up and offers to solve all your problems? And if she wants to use or manipulate him, shouldn't she be even more cautious and do more preparation???

Also Ah Jin 100% never loved that guy who proposed to her lol

Sorry I'm like combative but I also feel like the writers ruined her character after episode 8 and she basically just became another token caricature instead of the complex protagonist we've been getting.

Wellll I don't think she wants to inflict pain lol she just wants a peaceful life

Wellllll we see Ah Jin over and over just wanting to live a peaceful life, but with her life on the line over and over, she had to fight as hard as she could. The men just never had any aspirations in life? Like Junseo didn't seem to get any fulfillment from his own career, any friends (or potential friends since he pushed everyone away), and even when Ah Jin cut ties with him altogether he couldn't deal with his guilt and eventually became a monster.
Jun Seo's definitely made his own choices without being threatened or forced or abused which makes his actions less redeemable.

Hallucinations: Do Hyuk is drugging her (herbal teas, IVs, bandaid???) while triggering her with her past
Jun Seo: he never dealt with his guilt, and lost all his humanity. Even when Ah Jin tried to cut ties with him, he could not find any meaning in life or never had any aspirations besides his fixation on her.
Jae O: Yea I think the writers messed up his character...bc sure his initial motivation was Ah Jin telling him to work hard to be useful to her, but the rest of his life he didn't put in 1% of his effort into reintegrating back to his family as he did obsessing over Ah Jin. Wasn't his family the most important thing to him??

The series definitely needed more episodes since the storylines were so complex, but if they had a hard limit of 12, then I don't hate the ending because it let people come to their own conclusions

EXCEPT THE GRANDMA but the second Ah Jin thought someone could love her in a healthy way, of course they immediately die TT

What did she do wrong TT
Shouldn't you hate Do Hyuk not her....

UM....
Girly had her life on the line and also she's not responsible for anyone else. All the men had no lives besides her...that's not her fault that these men don't have any aspirations in life lol.

Also, why are we blaming her for being caught in bad situations HELLO??? Maybe you're more similar to her for not feeling any sympathy for her lollllllll