Truth Dares

For you it may well be off-limit, but it is not an exclusive principle. There are too many consensual drunk sex all over the world to make such a blank statement, like I detailed above if you scroll up.

Knowing that someone wants to have sex with you but he is afraid of doing it due to his inhibitions, hence having him drunk (Not forcing him top drink! He was drinking on his own choice), then achieving him wanting to make consensual sex with you (Xing Si made the first erotic step, people constantly ignore this, because it does not suit the agenda) is called "seduction". It may well be a shceming and morally reprehensible thing to do, but it is anything but sexual assault.

If a grown up person makes the decision to drink, and finally have consensual sex with someone, no one else could be blamed.

And that goes for XS and everyone else, especially if you are the one who initiates. You can expect to respect that you would not do that, even if you initiate a sexual advance while drunk. You could have such expectations, but you cannot call the other one "rapist" or "sexual assaulter" if they take the chance. You can hate them for the rest of your life, your choice, but you cannot call them rapists. No court would ever find them sexual assaulters either.

But it still does not mean whatever happened was not morally reprehensible while not being sexual assault. The problem is that many of you cannot make a balance. Sexual intercourses are not black and white, and have many grey areas.

No one "shipping" that couple has ever said the hotel room scene was right. But Yong Jie has paid the price for it. He was rejected not just by Xing Si, but by his entire enviroment. And he had to make a lot of things to be forgiven. Some of us simply think no one is entitled to say he does not deserve a second chance and to decide whether a relationship like that (or any) is valid. It is none of our business.

I don't know where you live but people all over the world, except for probably muslim countries, have consensual drunk sex every day. Sometimes they are both drunk, sometimes only one of them is drunk, sometimes they are drunk on different levels. Being drunk does not exclude sexual consent. If someone is incapaciatated, totally blacked out and unconscious, nd then being taken advantage or them physically being unable to fight against sexual intercourse, that it is rape (just like the case of Mu Ren and the vice-president, where he is drugged not by his own choice, unconscious but still repetaedly says NO. The contrast is not there for nothing) . But having sex with someone who is intoxicated on its own does not make it so. You should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. Do you think people in those places above all commit crimes? Ridiculous. Once again, a difference should be made between giving consent while intoxicated and being unable to give consent while incapaciated.

XS was clearly willing to take part in the sexual intercourse, and he inititaed it - you constantly ignore this key factor, because it shows your theory is built on a lie. What happened to him would never ever be considered as an act of crime in any civilized country. Morally it could be condenmed what the younger one did, and rightfully so, but that is different.

There are some examples for consensual sexual acts where alchohol was consumed:

www.whitman.edu/campus-life/diversity/title-ix-and-sexual-misconduct/sexual-misconduct-prevention-and-response-network/incapacity-defined

"Consent may never be obtained through the use of force, coercion or intimidation or if the victim is mentally or physically disabled or incapacitated, including through the use of drugs or alcohol. A person can be "drunk" and also have the capacity to give consent.

To better understand and determine capacity, we use the NCHERM explanation. With regard to alcohol, there are multiple levels of effect, along a continuum:"

"The lowest level is impairment, which occurs with the ingestion of any alcohol. A synonym for impairment is "under the influence."
The next level in intoxication, also called drunkenness, is similar to the state's drunk driving limit.
Incapacity is a higher level of alcohol consumption
The highest level is overdose, or alcohol blood poisoning, which may lead to coma or death.
One who is physically incapacitated as a result of alcohol or other drug consumption (voluntary or involuntary), or who is unconscious, unaware, or otherwise physically helpless, is incapable of giving consent. One may not engage in sexual activity with another person who one knows or should reasonably know to be mentally or physically incapacitated.

sexual-harassment.providence.edu/definitions/incapacitation/

"Use of alcohol or other drugs does not, in and of itself, negate a person’s ability to give consent. Alcohol-related incapacity results from a level of alcohol ingestion that is more severe than being under the influence, impairment, intoxication, inebriation, or drunkenness. Common and obvious warning signs of possible incapacitation include consistently slurred or incomprehensible speech, unsteady gait, vomiting, or incontinence. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions: “Do you know where you are?” “Do you know how you got here?” “Do you know what is happening?” A person who is not incapacitated at the beginning of sexual activity, may, by virtue of alcohol or drug ingestion prior to or during the activity, reach a state of incapacitation as the activity continues and progresses. Persons who are sleeping or completely passed out are incapacitated."

letsbeclear.ucf.edu/more-information/sexual-assault-and-consent/

"A person seeking to initiate sexual activity is not expected to be a medical expert in assessing incapacitation. The potential initiator must look for the common and obvious warning signs that show that a person may be incapacitated or approaching incapacitation. Although every individual may manifest signs of incapacitation differently, evidence of incapacity may be detected from context clues, such as:

Slurred or incomprehensible speech;
Bloodshot eyes;
The smell of alcohol on their breath;
Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait;
Vomiting;
Incontinence;
Combativeness or emotional volatility;
Unusual behavior; and/or
Unconsciousness.
Context clues are important in helping to determine incapacitation. These signs alone do not necessarily indicate incapacitation. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions:
“Do you know where you are?”
“Do you know how you got here?”
“Do you know what is happening?”
“Do you know who is here with you?”

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From those above only "Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait" was probably the case or close to that, when they were in the bar, but even that one is not 100%, and above all we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed. Everything else was just the polar opposite.

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And once and for all. It all does not mean what Jong Yjie did was morally right. You can do a scheming, twisted, morally reprehensible "seduction" without sexually attacking someone. Many of you should try to differentiate instead of "all or nothing" black and white way of thinking.

The scene:
YJ: Xing Si do you recognize me?
XS: smiles: "You're Yong Jie
YJ: I want to tell you who it is I like, OK?
XS: Yes.
YJ: I wanna tell you about my love. It was a said and painful love.
XS: Why was it and painful? Then why didn't you stop loving him?
YJ: I can't
XS: Who is that person?
YJ: It's you
XS: Me?
YJ: Yes, the person I'm deeply in love with is you.
XS then subsequently puts his arms around YJ's neck and pulls him close): 'Then that's great that you really love me. I really love you too."
(YJ then kisses him on the forehead and cheeks, and XS attempts to kiss him on the lips but YJ pulls back)
XS: "Why don't you kiss me on my lips?"

XS then starts kissing him on the neck and the love-making begins.

XS he was totally concscious, he had a lucid and rather versatile and meaningful conversation and he himself started the erotic act.

Consequently, when you say " cause the guy not only had no condition to give consent" you are either don't know what you are watching or you outright lie. Educate yourself about what rape is.

For you, illiterate SJWs, without one single original thought, reading comprehension or intelligence, of course there is not, when you face facts and arguments. That is the point when you all crawl back to under your stones. The only problem you never stay there. The world would be a better place.

My feelings are not hurt by just another unintelligent pissbaby who is clearly thick as pigshit to argue, cannot contradict any of the facts above, but laughably thinks that repeating their crap make it somehow more valid. It won't, kiddo. There was no rape. Educate yourself about what rape is as well as about alcohol consumption, when you are let out of kindergarten, since you clearly don't know shit about either. Also, learn to argue. I only have time for grown ups.

Bullshit. Yes, you can. And you are a childish idiot who cannot argue.

Bullshit. Seriously do you clowns really think if you keep repeating this idiotic nonsense it becomes true? People have consensual drunk sex every day. I have listed numerous examples, but none of you can argue. Are you 12 years old or being kept at home on a leash, and you have not been out since birth?

Bullshit. Seriously do you clowns really think if you keep repeating this idiotic nonsense it becomes true? People have consensual drunk sex every day. I have listed numerous examples, but none of you can argue. Are you 12 years old or being kept at home on a leash, and you have not been out since birth?

Like I said you had no argument, just insults and tantrums, but now you have managed to squeeze as many lies or misinformation out of ignorance (take your pick) into this short comment as possible.

The scene:
YJ: Xing Si do you recognize me?
XS:  smiles: "You're Yong Jie
YJ:  I want to tell you who it is I like, OK?
XS:  Yes.
YJ: I wanna tell you about my love. It was a said and painful love.
XS: Why was it and painful? Then why didn't you stop loving him? 
YJ: I can't
XS: Who is that person?
YJ: It's you
XS: Me?
YJ: Yes, the person I'm deeply in love with is you.XS then subsequently puts his arms around YJ's neck and pulls him close. 'Then that's great that you really love me. I really love you too."
YJ then kisses him on the forehead and cheeks, and XS attempts to kiss him on the lips but YJ pulls back, "Why don't you kiss me on my lips"XS starts kissing onm the neck and the love-making begins.

So he was totally concscious, he had a lucid and rather versatile and meaningful conversation and he himself started the erotic act.

Consequently, when you say "He could NOT even move throughout the act" you are either don't know what you are watching or you outright lie.

"had to be dragged to his bed."

Like I said above we don't know that. It is not 100%, because we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed since they went up to the hotel room. You just ignored this paragraph, because it does not fit your agenda.

"And he could only put pieces of it together after waking up."

Wrong or lie again. He was in the Seventh Heaven hen he woke up the morning after, and only freaked out when his societal inhibitions returned. He runs home, the scene is also made in a deliberate way to show his worry is caused by shame and a feel of guilt. He explicitly says he "slept" with his brother (not being assaulted, not raped), and he consistently tells he feels ashamed of possibly taking advantage of his "little brother" ("It was my fault, I should not have drunk", "How could I do that with my brother?", "It was probably because of my pestering", "But he wouldn't have voluntarily...", "How will I explain this to his mother?"). His whole conversation with his friends is about his worry and dilemma whether his "little brother" was willing or not. And he remembers everything, including that he was bottomed.

"Also do not forget the fact that his brother got him drunk with the clear intent of having sex with him. That right there is actus reus."

Another gigantic bullshit. Like I said you should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. Do you think people in those places above all commit crimes? Ridiculous. Once again, you don't know the difference between giving consent while intoxicated and being unable to give consent while incapaciated.

And yes. You were labelling people who, unlike you, know what rape is and what is not as "rape apologists". Furthermore no one was drugged. A grown up was drinking by his own choice, he was not forced. The person who was drugged is Mu Ren and unlike Xing Si, he refused to give consent, despite being unconscious. The difference is clear, too bqad people like you refuse to start thinking.

So ultimately you need lectures and education on the terms and nature of sexual interactions, rape, law, consent, criminal codes and attention span improvement when you watch something. Throwing your toys out of your pram does not substitute rational debate and intelligence.

www.whitman.edu/campus-life/diversity/title-ix-and-sexual-misconduct/sexual-misconduct-prevention-and-response-network/incapacity-defined

"Consent may never be obtained through the use of force, coercion or intimidation or if the victim is mentally or physically disabled or incapacitated, including through the use of drugs or alcohol. A person can be "drunk" and also have the capacity to give consent.

To better understand and determine capacity, we use the NCHERM explanation. With regard to alcohol, there are multiple levels of effect, along a continuum:"

"The lowest level is impairment, which occurs with the ingestion of any alcohol. A synonym for impairment is "under the influence."
The next level in intoxication, also called drunkenness, is similar to the state's drunk driving limit.
Incapacity is a higher level of alcohol consumption
The highest level is overdose, or alcohol blood poisoning, which may lead to coma or death.
One who is physically incapacitated as a result of alcohol or other drug consumption (voluntary or involuntary), or who is unconscious, unaware, or otherwise physically helpless, is incapable of giving consent. One may not engage in sexual activity with another person who one knows or should reasonably know to be mentally or physically incapacitated.

sexual-harassment.providence.edu/definitions/incapacitation/

"Use of alcohol or other drugs does not, in and of itself, negate a person’s ability to give consent. Alcohol-related incapacity results from a level of alcohol ingestion that is more severe than being under the influence, impairment, intoxication, inebriation, or drunkenness. Common and obvious warning signs of possible incapacitation include consistently slurred or incomprehensible speech, unsteady gait, vomiting, or incontinence. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions: “Do you know where you are?” “Do you know how you got here?” “Do you know what is happening?” A person who is not incapacitated at the beginning of sexual activity, may, by virtue of alcohol or drug ingestion prior to or during the activity, reach a state of incapacitation as the activity continues and progresses. Persons who are sleeping or completely passed out are incapacitated."

letsbeclear.ucf.edu/more-information/sexual-assault-and-consent/

"A person seeking to initiate sexual activity is not expected to be a medical expert in assessing incapacitation. The potential initiator must look for the common and obvious warning signs that show that a person may be incapacitated or approaching incapacitation. Although every individual may manifest signs of incapacitation differently, evidence of incapacity may be detected from context clues, such as:

Slurred or incomprehensible speech;
Bloodshot eyes;
The smell of alcohol on their breath;
Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait;
Vomiting;
Incontinence;
Combativeness or emotional volatility;
Unusual behavior; and/or
Unconsciousness.
Context clues are important in helping to determine incapacitation. These signs alone do not necessarily indicate incapacitation. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions:
“Do you know where you are?”
“Do you know how you got here?”
“Do you know what is happening?”
“Do you know who is here with you?”

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From those above only "Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait" was probably the case or close to that, when they were in the bar, but even that one is not 100%, and above all we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed. Everything else was just the polar opposite.

So before lecturing others probably you should educate yourself about the difference between intoxication and incapacitation, then maybe.... maybe you won't make such a complete nutjob of yourself, unless you purposefully are lying through your teeth, of course. Also you should educate yourself about rape, since you are totally clueless about it, and you obviously seem to think every drunk sex is rape. You should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. You either cannot comprehend what you have seen or you have not even seen it, just keep telling what memo was distributed to you.

"I'm not arguing this with you"

You have not been arguing with anyone. You kicked the door with your muddy boots and labelled a fair quota of this forum nd wished them mayhem like a rude cunt. So indeed, I am quite sure we are better off without you, at least till you educate yourself, learn some basic argument skills, and have some elmentary civilian manners. And then maybe... just maybe you would not seem like a frustrated and rude spinster.