I insist, being calm and trying to make a point with no harsh tone or word. In case... it is not my intent attack…
Bullshit. Seriously do you clowns really think if you keep repeating this idiotic nonsense it becomes true? People have consensual drunk sex every day. I have listed numerous examples, but none of you can argue. Are you 12 years old or being kept at home on a leash, and you have not been out since birth?
I am one of those. I am a woman that every night walk with the mobile phone in the hand ready to call police.…
Bullshit. Seriously do you clowns really think if you keep repeating this idiotic nonsense it becomes true? People have consensual drunk sex every day. I have listed numerous examples, but none of you can argue. Are you 12 years old or being kept at home on a leash, and you have not been out since birth?
I am one of those. I am a woman that every night walk with the mobile phone in the hand ready to call police.…
Like I said you had no argument, just insults and tantrums, but now you have managed to squeeze as many lies or misinformation out of ignorance (take your pick) into this short comment as possible.
The scene: YJ: Xing Si do you recognize me? XS: smiles: "You're Yong Jie YJ: I want to tell you who it is I like, OK? XS: Yes. YJ: I wanna tell you about my love. It was a said and painful love. XS: Why was it and painful? Then why didn't you stop loving him? YJ: I can't XS: Who is that person? YJ: It's you XS: Me? YJ: Yes, the person I'm deeply in love with is you.XS then subsequently puts his arms around YJ's neck and pulls him close. 'Then that's great that you really love me. I really love you too." YJ then kisses him on the forehead and cheeks, and XS attempts to kiss him on the lips but YJ pulls back, "Why don't you kiss me on my lips"XS starts kissing onm the neck and the love-making begins.
So he was totally concscious, he had a lucid and rather versatile and meaningful conversation and he himself started the erotic act.
Consequently, when you say "He could NOT even move throughout the act" you are either don't know what you are watching or you outright lie.
"had to be dragged to his bed."
Like I said above we don't know that. It is not 100%, because we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed since they went up to the hotel room. You just ignored this paragraph, because it does not fit your agenda.
"And he could only put pieces of it together after waking up."
Wrong or lie again. He was in the Seventh Heaven hen he woke up the morning after, and only freaked out when his societal inhibitions returned. He runs home, the scene is also made in a deliberate way to show his worry is caused by shame and a feel of guilt. He explicitly says he "slept" with his brother (not being assaulted, not raped), and he consistently tells he feels ashamed of possibly taking advantage of his "little brother" ("It was my fault, I should not have drunk", "How could I do that with my brother?", "It was probably because of my pestering", "But he wouldn't have voluntarily...", "How will I explain this to his mother?"). His whole conversation with his friends is about his worry and dilemma whether his "little brother" was willing or not. And he remembers everything, including that he was bottomed.
"Also do not forget the fact that his brother got him drunk with the clear intent of having sex with him. That right there is actus reus."
Another gigantic bullshit. Like I said you should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. Do you think people in those places above all commit crimes? Ridiculous. Once again, you don't know the difference between giving consent while intoxicated and being unable to give consent while incapaciated.
And yes. You were labelling people who, unlike you, know what rape is and what is not as "rape apologists". Furthermore no one was drugged. A grown up was drinking by his own choice, he was not forced. The person who was drugged is Mu Ren and unlike Xing Si, he refused to give consent, despite being unconscious. The difference is clear, too bqad people like you refuse to start thinking.
So ultimately you need lectures and education on the terms and nature of sexual interactions, rape, law, consent, criminal codes and attention span improvement when you watch something. Throwing your toys out of your pram does not substitute rational debate and intelligence.
"Consent may never be obtained through the use of force, coercion or intimidation or if the victim is mentally or physically disabled or incapacitated, including through the use of drugs or alcohol. A person can be "drunk" and also have the capacity to give consent.
To better understand and determine capacity, we use the NCHERM explanation. With regard to alcohol, there are multiple levels of effect, along a continuum:"
"The lowest level is impairment, which occurs with the ingestion of any alcohol. A synonym for impairment is "under the influence." The next level in intoxication, also called drunkenness, is similar to the state's drunk driving limit. Incapacity is a higher level of alcohol consumption The highest level is overdose, or alcohol blood poisoning, which may lead to coma or death. One who is physically incapacitated as a result of alcohol or other drug consumption (voluntary or involuntary), or who is unconscious, unaware, or otherwise physically helpless, is incapable of giving consent. One may not engage in sexual activity with another person who one knows or should reasonably know to be mentally or physically incapacitated.
"Use of alcohol or other drugs does not, in and of itself, negate a person’s ability to give consent. Alcohol-related incapacity results from a level of alcohol ingestion that is more severe than being under the influence, impairment, intoxication, inebriation, or drunkenness. Common and obvious warning signs of possible incapacitation include consistently slurred or incomprehensible speech, unsteady gait, vomiting, or incontinence. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions: “Do you know where you are?” “Do you know how you got here?” “Do you know what is happening?” A person who is not incapacitated at the beginning of sexual activity, may, by virtue of alcohol or drug ingestion prior to or during the activity, reach a state of incapacitation as the activity continues and progresses. Persons who are sleeping or completely passed out are incapacitated."
"A person seeking to initiate sexual activity is not expected to be a medical expert in assessing incapacitation. The potential initiator must look for the common and obvious warning signs that show that a person may be incapacitated or approaching incapacitation. Although every individual may manifest signs of incapacitation differently, evidence of incapacity may be detected from context clues, such as:
Slurred or incomprehensible speech; Bloodshot eyes; The smell of alcohol on their breath; Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait; Vomiting; Incontinence; Combativeness or emotional volatility; Unusual behavior; and/or Unconsciousness. Context clues are important in helping to determine incapacitation. These signs alone do not necessarily indicate incapacitation. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions: “Do you know where you are?” “Do you know how you got here?” “Do you know what is happening?” “Do you know who is here with you?”
**** From those above only "Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait" was probably the case or close to that, when they were in the bar, but even that one is not 100%, and above all we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed. Everything else was just the polar opposite.
So before lecturing others probably you should educate yourself about the difference between intoxication and incapacitation, then maybe.... maybe you won't make such a complete nutjob of yourself, unless you purposefully are lying through your teeth, of course. Also you should educate yourself about rape, since you are totally clueless about it, and you obviously seem to think every drunk sex is rape. You should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. You either cannot comprehend what you have seen or you have not even seen it, just keep telling what memo was distributed to you.
"I'm not arguing this with you"
You have not been arguing with anyone. You kicked the door with your muddy boots and labelled a fair quota of this forum nd wished them mayhem like a rude cunt. So indeed, I am quite sure we are better off without you, at least till you educate yourself, learn some basic argument skills, and have some elmentary civilian manners. And then maybe... just maybe you would not seem like a frustrated and rude spinster.
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The scene:
YJ: Xing Si do you recognize me?
XS: smiles: "You're Yong Jie
YJ: I want to tell you who it is I like, OK?
XS: Yes.
YJ: I wanna tell you about my love. It was a said and painful love.
XS: Why was it and painful? Then why didn't you stop loving him?
YJ: I can't
XS: Who is that person?
YJ: It's you
XS: Me?
YJ: Yes, the person I'm deeply in love with is you.XS then subsequently puts his arms around YJ's neck and pulls him close. 'Then that's great that you really love me. I really love you too."
YJ then kisses him on the forehead and cheeks, and XS attempts to kiss him on the lips but YJ pulls back, "Why don't you kiss me on my lips"XS starts kissing onm the neck and the love-making begins.
So he was totally concscious, he had a lucid and rather versatile and meaningful conversation and he himself started the erotic act.
Consequently, when you say "He could NOT even move throughout the act" you are either don't know what you are watching or you outright lie.
"had to be dragged to his bed."
Like I said above we don't know that. It is not 100%, because we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed since they went up to the hotel room. You just ignored this paragraph, because it does not fit your agenda.
"And he could only put pieces of it together after waking up."
Wrong or lie again. He was in the Seventh Heaven hen he woke up the morning after, and only freaked out when his societal inhibitions returned. He runs home, the scene is also made in a deliberate way to show his worry is caused by shame and a feel of guilt. He explicitly says he "slept" with his brother (not being assaulted, not raped), and he consistently tells he feels ashamed of possibly taking advantage of his "little brother" ("It was my fault, I should not have drunk", "How could I do that with my brother?", "It was probably because of my pestering", "But he wouldn't have voluntarily...", "How will I explain this to his mother?"). His whole conversation with his friends is about his worry and dilemma whether his "little brother" was willing or not. And he remembers everything, including that he was bottomed.
"Also do not forget the fact that his brother got him drunk with the clear intent of having sex with him. That right there is actus reus."
Another gigantic bullshit. Like I said you should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. Do you think people in those places above all commit crimes? Ridiculous. Once again, you don't know the difference between giving consent while intoxicated and being unable to give consent while incapaciated.
And yes. You were labelling people who, unlike you, know what rape is and what is not as "rape apologists". Furthermore no one was drugged. A grown up was drinking by his own choice, he was not forced. The person who was drugged is Mu Ren and unlike Xing Si, he refused to give consent, despite being unconscious. The difference is clear, too bqad people like you refuse to start thinking.
So ultimately you need lectures and education on the terms and nature of sexual interactions, rape, law, consent, criminal codes and attention span improvement when you watch something. Throwing your toys out of your pram does not substitute rational debate and intelligence.
"Consent may never be obtained through the use of force, coercion or intimidation or if the victim is mentally or physically disabled or incapacitated, including through the use of drugs or alcohol. A person can be "drunk" and also have the capacity to give consent.
To better understand and determine capacity, we use the NCHERM explanation. With regard to alcohol, there are multiple levels of effect, along a continuum:"
"The lowest level is impairment, which occurs with the ingestion of any alcohol. A synonym for impairment is "under the influence."
The next level in intoxication, also called drunkenness, is similar to the state's drunk driving limit.
Incapacity is a higher level of alcohol consumption
The highest level is overdose, or alcohol blood poisoning, which may lead to coma or death.
One who is physically incapacitated as a result of alcohol or other drug consumption (voluntary or involuntary), or who is unconscious, unaware, or otherwise physically helpless, is incapable of giving consent. One may not engage in sexual activity with another person who one knows or should reasonably know to be mentally or physically incapacitated.
sexual-harassment.providence.edu/definitions/incapacitation/
"Use of alcohol or other drugs does not, in and of itself, negate a person’s ability to give consent. Alcohol-related incapacity results from a level of alcohol ingestion that is more severe than being under the influence, impairment, intoxication, inebriation, or drunkenness. Common and obvious warning signs of possible incapacitation include consistently slurred or incomprehensible speech, unsteady gait, vomiting, or incontinence. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions: “Do you know where you are?” “Do you know how you got here?” “Do you know what is happening?” A person who is not incapacitated at the beginning of sexual activity, may, by virtue of alcohol or drug ingestion prior to or during the activity, reach a state of incapacitation as the activity continues and progresses. Persons who are sleeping or completely passed out are incapacitated."
letsbeclear.ucf.edu/more-information/sexual-assault-and-consent/
"A person seeking to initiate sexual activity is not expected to be a medical expert in assessing incapacitation. The potential initiator must look for the common and obvious warning signs that show that a person may be incapacitated or approaching incapacitation. Although every individual may manifest signs of incapacitation differently, evidence of incapacity may be detected from context clues, such as:
Slurred or incomprehensible speech;
Bloodshot eyes;
The smell of alcohol on their breath;
Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait;
Vomiting;
Incontinence;
Combativeness or emotional volatility;
Unusual behavior; and/or
Unconsciousness.
Context clues are important in helping to determine incapacitation. These signs alone do not necessarily indicate incapacitation. A person who is incapacitated may not be able to understand some or all of the following questions:
“Do you know where you are?”
“Do you know how you got here?”
“Do you know what is happening?”
“Do you know who is here with you?”
****
From those above only "Shaky equilibrium or unsteady gait" was probably the case or close to that, when they were in the bar, but even that one is not 100%, and above all we don't know when they have had sex, hours might have passed. Everything else was just the polar opposite.
So before lecturing others probably you should educate yourself about the difference between intoxication and incapacitation, then maybe.... maybe you won't make such a complete nutjob of yourself, unless you purposefully are lying through your teeth, of course. Also you should educate yourself about rape, since you are totally clueless about it, and you obviously seem to think every drunk sex is rape. You should probably visit some bars, night clubs, disco clubs or house parties where people knowingly drink to lower their inhibitions and increase their self-confidence to have consensual sex afterwards, just like what happened to Xing Si. You either cannot comprehend what you have seen or you have not even seen it, just keep telling what memo was distributed to you.
"I'm not arguing this with you"
You have not been arguing with anyone. You kicked the door with your muddy boots and labelled a fair quota of this forum nd wished them mayhem like a rude cunt. So indeed, I am quite sure we are better off without you, at least till you educate yourself, learn some basic argument skills, and have some elmentary civilian manners. And then maybe... just maybe you would not seem like a frustrated and rude spinster.