UncreativeName

Neither ending is earned and actually if they switch the endings, it would be perfect.

In Nevertheless, you have an insecure girl who inexplicably loves this toxic fuckboy. The ending should have been that after the female lead goes through her "recovery" period, she realizes that male lead is an asshole and stays single or gets together with the second male lead. Instead they get together with signs that nothing has changed. Ending wasn't earned and actually, if it was a "sad ending" (she ends up alone) that would be much better.

Here, you have two people who didn't plan to fall in love, but did anyways, and supported each other. Somehow, the ending manages to prove that yes, they did love each other, and yes, they did support each other. But they end up apart (or it's ambiguous, if you'd like). Ending wasn't earned, and actually, if it was a "happy ending" (they end up together) that would be much better.

My issue isn't whether or not it's a happy or sad ending. Just that both endings don't make sense within the context of the stories.

I don't think this and Nevertheless are really all that similar BUT there's one thing related to them that I wish. HEAVY SPOILERS for BOTH DRAMAS in my post below.

This doesn't bode well: I think it's fair to say that there is HUGE hype for this, both domestic and international because of Kim Soo Hyun and writer Park Ji Eun. I can't help but wonder to myself what they are NOT telling us that pushed them to delay this.

I'm a huge Kim Ji Won fan so I'm personally super disappointed in this news.

Started off strong but got too cliche and long for me. The main thing that irked me was how hard they spammed the main theme song - I can hear it in my sleep...

알아요 나에겐 하락되지 않는 하나가 있죠

There were other little things that bothered me: if you're trying to pretend to be a guy, why would you keep long, Kdrama-silky-like hair that flags you like a woman whenever you put your hair down? I get that even guys had long hair back then...but I feel like you would definitely try to cut it/mold it to be more like a guy.

I finally got around to watching this. For me, I loved the way it made me feel even though some of the characters/motivations/story might have been cliché. Wish it had gotten a little more hype/attention.

I think it's COVID: less productions mean less shows come out which means it's less likely that each of us finds a show enjoyable. The pandemic was around 2020-2021 which pushed back productions. Even after vaccines started to get spread in Korea, there were some significant resurgences in 2022, and even in early 2023 there were a good number of new cases, so it wasn't entirely over. The content we're watching now in 2023 is the stuff that would have been shot in 2022, so I think we're still a little ways out (a year?) from the number of shows "going back to normal" - I think if you just tally up your favorite actors/actresses, you can probably find a bunch that seem to be "underused" that is probably just due to there not being enough productions at the moment.

What's the Netflix Lobby?

I watched 1 episode of this and wasn't all that interested, but I see that 3 of the top 4 recommended Kdramas for this one are some of my favorites so I might give it another shot: looks like the 4 top are My Liberation Notes, Just Between Lovers, When the Weather is Fine, and My Mister.

Can anyone who might have watched any of those 4 comment on which one you also watched and whether you are enjoying this one?

I like Yoona, but haven't been a fan of the Kdramas she's been in. Hoping this one is good - shots look good so far and I'm pretty impressed with Junho as an actor.

Pretty interesting - am I seeing this right that screenwriter is a rookie/this is their first major production?

Anybody find any updates on this one? I can't even find news in Korean - kinda weird

I think people who have read the webtoon share your view: the premise is stupid (but apparently the webtoon is good).

I like Park Min Young and she seems to have been in a rut lately playing "the same role" (she's super typecasted and/or keeps choosing to do roles where she is just a generic, gorgeous woman down on her luck in some way) so something a little different will be interesting I think.

So I need to ask: why do people insist that all discourse MUST be positive ONLY? You can debate the quality of the article all you want (pretty much all content on this site is through volunteer submissions...this isn't professional journalism...), but this was big enough news that it made mainstream Korean media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJwAiNsl-0

If you can't be bothered to click, that is the YouTube channel for SBS News, a straight up Korean news channel talking about this very topic.

I'm a huge Reddit user and it pisses me off that there are nonsense rules from the Kdrama subreddit that don't allow talking about the artists: it's like going to a Kpop community and saying that you are not allowed to talk about Kpop musicians to "respect their privacy". Don't bring that bullcrap here - it even suppresses positive news that I actually want to hear about - I have to follow my favorite actors/actresses on annoying social media like Instagram because of this to learn "news" of like limited DVD sales for Kdramas, fan events, etc.. I would much rather learn about it from Reddit but I can't because of that dumb rule.

This is an anonymous internet forum that isn't even in Korean: this has no impact on anything. I don't condone hate speech/whatever, but stop trying to suppress random people on the internet sharing actual news.

I don't think so - I think that was the purpose of the ending scene where they discuss "tricking" the second male lead and they discuss how what they have is enough and that they can stop there.

I noticed this too lol. I sent a request to change it back and it was rejected by the staff. This site is really weird sometimes

I can't handle not knowing how this Kdrama is going to end. If it's going to follow the novel, I need to know. If it's going to deviate, I also need to know. The waiting is hard lol. I don't really care if it's a happy end, sad end, or neutral ending - I just hope that no matter what they do, the ending is a satisfying ending and ties everything together well.

Same. Yeah, ML did her wrong. But it doesn't excuse her need to try to control and manipulate every situation. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I see her as the female equivalent of the "nice guy": the "nice guy" is a pain in the ass because he is kind only up to the point when he wants a relationship...and when the girl doesn't give him one, he feels he is "owed" and gets bitter, which is the problem with nice guys.

For SFL, she went full speed ahead despite knowing that ML had reservations. I don't think it was right for ML to accept her feelings, but she was still very aggressive with PDA/etc. to the point where I think it's obvious she wanted them to get caught. I think my dislike for her stems from the fact that she thinks she can manipulate people to have her way and the result is that she does a lot of shitty things/tries to "start stuff"

I think there's zero chance because of how emotionally manipulative Mi Kyung is to the point where she dodges real conversations when it suits her but forces interactions also when it suits her. That and the fact that the production folks love to pull the bait and switch on us (IE. That prior trailer with the assumed cheating that didn't happen)

I'm most sympathetic towards ML and FL, but they are not blameless. However, I definitely hate 2FL and 2ML more. For 2ML, I agree with you, and I don't understand his complex: by all accounts, he's "won" - he has the pretty girl who dotes on him and financially supports him yet he still self-sabotages at every turn because he feels like "he's not enough"/"not worthy" of FL. And it wasn't like she chased him, he chased her which makes it even more ridiculous IMO. Put another way, he's being stupid and its his own fault. For 2FL, I think she's kind of the embodiment of a spoiled rich brat. I don't think the ML was correct for accepting her feelings, but she still is way too inflexible and too forceful in trying to build the narrative into the story that she wants, the latest episode being the best example where she purposefully force all 4 of them into an awkward situation.

For the game of lies, I think FL was just trying to be indirect. Her flaw is this need to be prim and proper in face of adversity: all her problems stem from the fact that she tries to rise above the mistreatment she gets. So, I think she understands that it's not right to cheat, and gave herself an out to tell ML the truth while also not directly confessing to him that she feels the same way.

I like the show a lot, but the character dynamics make me rage/sad. I'm hoping for some kind of happy ending because the show runners seem to be leaning really hard on the fact that ML and FL really like each other.