im somehow excited for the heartbreak, i want the show to absolutely shatter my heart
Haha, I have so many ideas but the main ones take place in the first lifetime or have FL time travel not so far in the past, but back to the time when she first met ZZ under the rain and this time she doesn't step on his robes but just straight up goes into his arms instead. There is a line in the novel where ZZ thinks that if he had another chance, he would not tear away his official robes, he would let her step on him; so what it got dirty, as long as it made her happy, none of that mattered. And I wish they could both go back to that beginning and redo their first fateful meeting.
I also really love the forbidden aspect of their relationship of empress/minister so I love the ideas of more fics exploring that dynamic and having them have an actual relationship in that time (hey, her husband has a whole harem of 3000 women, she deserves her own man too lol).
Another idea I had was if the xue consort got pregnant by shen jie and shen jie and begun ignoring her, the empress, she got scared of losing her position and being deposed without a heir of her own so she goes to ZZ for advice, but they end up making a "crown prince" of their own LMAO.
can someone please spoil the ending for me. I like zhang she so just wanna know. Ik he is not the lead so will…
I'm also a fellow Zhang Zhe fan lol. They don't end up together, it's heartbreaking. But take solace in knowing that she truly and wholeheartedly loved Zhang Zhe and if not for her finding out that he had his past memories and feeling like she was forced to give up on him, she would have never looked at any other man in her second life.
Even after she marries XW, she can't bear to hear him say a single bad word about ZZ. She tells him that to her ZZ was and will always be a bright moon in the darkness. "To me, Zhang Zhe is like charcoal in the snow, a lamp in a dark room, and a boat to cross a desolate river."
"Zhang Zhe is the last corner of untainted pure land in her dust-covered heart."
So he may not have ended up with her, but he will always occupy the last corner of her heart.
Zhang Zhe's storyline explained (based on novel): In the past life, Zhang Zhe and Jiang Xue Ning first encountered…
In another universe, they would have been together. I really can't with how the author made their love so beautiful and enduring but crossed it out because of "guilt" and fear of hurting each other because they loved each other too much. All they needed was some communication. All JXN needed was a little more courage, to grab on to him tightly instead of giving up when she heard him call her Empress.
It could have easily been resolved and the scars they mentioned don't have to bind them; they can be an evidence of the lessons they learned and how they grew. The message here really disheartened me, a heartbreaking end.
How can you expect us not to ship Ning and Zhang Zhe when Ning looks at him as if he's the only man in the world.
legit she looks at him like he's her heart and world, how am I supposed to not want them together...I want her to have the love she was denied in her past life TT
im somehow excited for the heartbreak, i want the show to absolutely shatter my heart
I'm only okay with this if people get creative and use that heartbreak as inspiration to write alternate fanfics and mend my broken heart. I already have some ideas hahaha
It’s sounds a bit like real life, initially you may be interested in one guy, but eventually you get together…
Hmm? This wasn't really a case of childhood sweetheart trope though. More of a "I love you" and "I love you" changed to "I love you but cue noble idiocy and refusal to resolve misgivings via communication trope"
I really hope she won't love ZZ for 30 episodes and then suddenly start loving XW. I saw so many dramas that do…
I think people have asked the cast about this and wondered the same thing, because iirc it was mentioned the ZZ thing will stop at ep 20. So they definitely changed it in the drama and tried to make the pacing make more sense ig. Some lines between characters were apparently switched around too. We'll see how they adapt it!
ohhh that’s interesting. Both Zhang Zhe and Xie Wei is definitely ml material.
Yeah I think the author did a good job making both of them pretty interesting and developed love interests so it wouldn't look too strange no matter who she chose, but the voting results changing near the end do explain why I thought her giving up on ZZ after clearly loving him for hundreds of chapters and going with XW near the end was so abrupt and out of no where. It's likely the drama will change the pacing of that to make it less abrupt.
woah poll voting usually doesn't affect story plot, that's very interesting
for this, you had to pay to vote, so it was a smart financial decision at least. LOL fans of the drama who like zhang zhe are crying in the comments, "my CP was broken by a rich man!"
I've been going on douyin to see cnetz comments on this drama and have to say that cnetz are funny as hell sometimes.
I also learned an interesting thing: the web novel was being written and posted in real time, and it had the readers do paid voting on who they wanted the ML to be. It's 253 chapters. For a good almost 200 chapters, the FL loved Zhang Zhe, but then the Xie Wei fans took the lead in voting and the tide turned, author changed the ML. I was scratching my head so hard reading parts of the novel because for so long her and ZZ's moments had insanely romantic prose to it and wondering why author would write it like that if they weren't end couple, but now it makes sense.
So many viewers lamenting that if they were around back then they would have voted differently or would have made FL empress with her own harem of handsome men + the princess lmao.
Trigger warning for SA below: He def had some sort of feelings for her since he did give her the knife not to…
Her henchman who she introduced to Yan Lin spied on the family after he got their trust and fabricated evidence that let Xue family slaughter the Yan family. Also, when Yan Lin survived and came to her, she basically ditched him for the prince.
Yeah, same, I can't stand rape committing or condoning MLs and this is rather disappointing to me bc they portrayed the ML here as sort of a feminist. How can you turn a blind eye knowing that's happening to her repeatedly?
I'm so annoyed with myself because I'm always out here clamouring for dark MLs who are cunning and evil because…
I agree the actor is really good and he's what initially drew me in, he speaks with his eyes. I only really fell down the rabbit hole after going through parts of the novel though because some sections about him, felt like the author was writing straight up shakespearean romantic tragedy.
Trigger warning for SA below: He def had some sort of feelings for her since he did give her the knife not to…
Seems like you don't understand what a trigger warning is. It's put there to kindly give warnings to people who may have ptsd or trauma related to the subject matter so they can choose to avoid the content if they want.
Also, "bro before ho?" Huh? I think saving a woman from being raped is basic humanity.
I'm so annoyed with myself because I'm always out here clamouring for dark MLs who are cunning and evil because…
I think he did if you look at the last life. He basically willingly involved himself in an emotional love affair with the empress, aka the emperor's woman. That is major taboo that would get him killed in an instant if found out by others. It's basically blasphemy and he was playing with fire when he went against his principles and broke the rules to help her.
Even in the second life, it's pretty apparant from how he handled his career. He didn't take the imperial examination which was the traditional way to get fame, but went in through an unorthodox way. Once an official, he refused to listen to custom and join any party of the court. He also showed no fear going against the empress dowager. This is pretty significant when you consider he's not from a noble family and has no noble ties. Any poor scholar from the common people would be full of fear and reverence of nobles and especially the royal family, but his actions show that he doesn't hold them in reverence at all. For a man of his time, that was the height of rebelliousness and makes him dangerous to others because he is an unsheathed knife that can't be controlled.
Maybe I'm the only one but ZZ and JXN chemistry is on fire... Just love their scenes together..... I'm the type…
I'm so annoyed with myself because I'm always out here clamouring for dark MLs who are cunning and evil because I love my dark power couples, but something about Zhang Zhe has just totally won me over and I'm annoyed because I hate having second lead syndrome lol. I blame the author for writing their romance like a shakespearean tragedy and WXY for playing him with such gravity.
Maybe it's also because on the surface ZZ is a just and good man, but underneath he has quite a dangerous, rebellious and stubborn side to him?
In 1st life, did XW like JXN? If XW liked JXN, why would he allow her to take her own life?
Trigger warning for SA below:
He def had some sort of feelings for her since he did give her the knife not to kill her but so that she could use it to protect herself against Yan Lin. But here's what pisses me off. He KNEW that mf Yan Lin was repeatedly getting drunk and going in to RAPE the FL and he didn't stop it, he didn't try to stop Yan Lin himself. No, he just gave her a knife and expected her to protect herself from getting raped at night from a drunk man bigger and stronger than her.
I also really love the forbidden aspect of their relationship of empress/minister so I love the ideas of more fics exploring that dynamic and having them have an actual relationship in that time (hey, her husband has a whole harem of 3000 women, she deserves her own man too lol).
Another idea I had was if the xue consort got pregnant by shen jie and shen jie and begun ignoring her, the empress, she got scared of losing her position and being deposed without a heir of her own so she goes to ZZ for advice, but they end up making a "crown prince" of their own LMAO.
Okay that's enough for now.
Even after she marries XW, she can't bear to hear him say a single bad word about ZZ. She tells him that to her ZZ was and will always be a bright moon in the darkness. "To me, Zhang Zhe is like charcoal in the snow, a lamp in a dark room, and a boat to cross a desolate river."
"Zhang Zhe is the last corner of untainted pure land in her dust-covered heart."
So he may not have ended up with her, but he will always occupy the last corner of her heart.
It could have easily been resolved and the scars they mentioned don't have to bind them; they can be an evidence of the lessons they learned and how they grew. The message here really disheartened me, a heartbreaking end.
I also learned an interesting thing: the web novel was being written and posted in real time, and it had the readers do paid voting on who they wanted the ML to be. It's 253 chapters. For a good almost 200 chapters, the FL loved Zhang Zhe, but then the Xie Wei fans took the lead in voting and the tide turned, author changed the ML. I was scratching my head so hard reading parts of the novel because for so long her and ZZ's moments had insanely romantic prose to it and wondering why author would write it like that if they weren't end couple, but now it makes sense.
So many viewers lamenting that if they were around back then they would have voted differently or would have made FL empress with her own harem of handsome men + the princess lmao.
Yeah, same, I can't stand rape committing or condoning MLs and this is rather disappointing to me bc they portrayed the ML here as sort of a feminist. How can you turn a blind eye knowing that's happening to her repeatedly?
Also, "bro before ho?" Huh? I think saving a woman from being raped is basic humanity.
Even in the second life, it's pretty apparant from how he handled his career. He didn't take the imperial examination which was the traditional way to get fame, but went in through an unorthodox way. Once an official, he refused to listen to custom and join any party of the court. He also showed no fear going against the empress dowager. This is pretty significant when you consider he's not from a noble family and has no noble ties. Any poor scholar from the common people would be full of fear and reverence of nobles and especially the royal family, but his actions show that he doesn't hold them in reverence at all. For a man of his time, that was the height of rebelliousness and makes him dangerous to others because he is an unsheathed knife that can't be controlled.
Maybe it's also because on the surface ZZ is a just and good man, but underneath he has quite a dangerous, rebellious and stubborn side to him?
He def had some sort of feelings for her since he did give her the knife not to kill her but so that she could use it to protect herself against Yan Lin. But here's what pisses me off. He KNEW that mf Yan Lin was repeatedly getting drunk and going in to RAPE the FL and he didn't stop it, he didn't try to stop Yan Lin himself. No, he just gave her a knife and expected her to protect herself from getting raped at night from a drunk man bigger and stronger than her.