Here's what I am thinking: So we are observing a single timeline but with different 'layers'. I am using the term…
WOW!
Yeah, that makes a lot sense now. You're way better in articulating your ideas than I do.
Yes, exactly like that when the Growing Block Universe and Relative Time are combined. There is the "relative origin time" and "relative personal time". Indeed, each is a block, what is "past" to a traveler is also their present which is also affecting other blocks.
I love how you fit in the "layers" in there. Perfect fit!
You should create a blog. ^_^ Your explanation should live and be part of history.
High quality article, I salute your dedication. Half of it was useless to write, if the screenwriter had done…
"'Healing' temporal field"? The one wherein the blood reversed time? Or another one? What scene was it?
The 'looking at his device', I only noticed it after I re-watched the series. Since I already have questions I'm searching, I focused more on finding answers than the entertainment value--and also I took down notes of the interesting parts so I don't have to return again. I've always wondered what he was referring to and … lols, eureka moment when I noticed him looking down at his device.
Still I mistook it to mean there was something in the light. I eventually took screengrabs of the two devices but can not find anything. I was about to give up when it hit me, the devices are not the same. LOLs.
I went back and forth, looked at it side-by-side, yeah, definitely not the same!
I agree, the clues are deeply hidden and too fast for anyone to notice. They got carried away with hiding stuff. I think I wasted 40 minutes just for that device analysis, and what he meant by "it's not me, can't you see".
They did focus on the devices but who would've thought to pay attention to it. LOLs.
Still, I don't get why Sae Ha said "blue light" in that 9-year old Sae Ha scene. If everything they included in the show is a clue for something, that one is very elusive.
But yeah, "bad 'show don't tell'" in a lot of areas. I just dedicated time to find the answers because they used theories rarely used in fiction, and I want to find answers too. If it was a time travel story based on the usual theories, I won't even re-watch it and be content with what we have already.
Here's what I am thinking: So we are observing a single timeline but with different 'layers'. I am using the term…
I actually like this part: "The Ghosts DNA is corrupted in the first layer because in that layer her future is not yet confirmed. We are observing what we perceive as the 'present' and the future is unknown. By the time we reach the final layer in the last few episodes, the Ghosts existence is solidified. She will be birthed in the 'future. However, this is because at this point we are actually observing what we know to be the 'past' where the 'present' is actually the time the ghost comes from. She is able to change events throughout time because 'time does not flow'. The 'past' is her 'future'. "
As for the "layers" … it sounds like timelines but not. I can't put it into words but you are getting somewhere. Thank you for sharing.
I'll try to think it over and see if I can understand it more. ^_^
Did Disney+ doing good in S,Korea after launch? As someone who only like to watch the series after it complete,…
Their first was Snowdrop and it was filled with controversies. The company behind Snowdrop is currently suing everyone who spread lies about the show (probably backed by Disney too … you simply don't mess with Disney, they have money to waste going after anyone).
Fair warning: this is very long. I compiled the Q&A in the previous thread, updated what needs updating, I re-watched all 10 episodes and jotted down notes (and dialogues), and kept on re-analysing the whole series.
I had to rewrite the entire article 4 times because just when I was ready to publish it, EUREKA! There is a better explanation.
Things that changed since my last reply in the comments below: 1. Sae Ha survived. This is 100% solid!
2. Corrected the birth date of the Ghost. She did not come from 2091, she was born in 2091. This have important implications: (a) Byeori is more likely not her mother but her grandmother; and (b) her 13% DNA match with Ma Nok makes even more sense (backed by real science) … he is the Ghost's great grand uncle on her paternal side. Yes, you read that right.
3. There are two Blue Time Travelers (although 1 actor)
4. The question "if there is no Grid then the Founder/Ghost would not exist so there is no one to install the Grid" dilemma is also answered. There are 7 versions of May 18, 1997.
5. The Ghost did appear at the same time in 6 laboratories around the world, she visited one after another. However, it does not mean it is not possible … when she showed up in IRR (7th laboratory she visited), she overlapped her appearance in 3 other laboratories.
So … what is the science behind it? Care to explain for those of us who are not science students?
No, no. I don't mean it that way. Apologies for the confusion.
I just meant to please do share because your perspective will be different. Just pointing out that you are a science student and we're not, which means, you'll see things differently and have more knowledge, possibly read more papers, than most of us. ^_^
So … what is the science behind it? Care to explain for those of us who are not science students?
Because my explanations doesn't mean it's correct. If you have something that we the community doesn't know about, it's best to share it, especially since you are a "science student" and I am not. ^_^
But again, it's your choice. Just offering up that option.
1. I think I figured out who the Ghost's father is. - I'm 99% sure on this one.
2. I think I found out why the DNA of the Ghost was corrupted. - I'm 50-50 on this one currently.
3. I think I found the answer to the dilemma of the Grid == if the Grid doesn't exist, there is no Ghost. If there is no Ghost, there is no Grid. So how was the Grid installed?
It was not a time loop. It was not a time bubble.
There is a perfect answer. ^_^ It's somewhere in the last few episodes but can be very easily missed.
I'll have the 1st and 3rd items in my article tomorrow. The 2nd item, I hope I can include it.
Probably some were answered already. If you have questions which were not answered yet, or something is still confusing, feel free to ask in that thread. ^_^
I'm also two-thirds done compiling all the questions, I'll have it published in my blog tomorrow.
If you were reading my earlier analyses of the show, I mentioned that sometime after 2021 the Grid stopped working,…
Good points!
Yeah, it appears that she's around in 2021 for a very deep reason. While it appears she failed the distraction of the Grid in 2022, she now have a team of time travelers instead of working alone.
Bigger chance of preventing the Grid's destruction … or, they can build backup systems and support for the Grid those who are against it doesn't know.
I think this drama use the Growing Block Universe Theory.
Oooh, yeah, that's a very good point.
Initially, I was thinking that it can't be the Growing Block because the Ghost already exists. For it to apply, we'll need to identity what is the "present".
But now that you explained it, it makes more sense, especially if Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is applied: time is relative to the observer.
Combined, the future is yet to be relative to the origin time of a time traveler.
The Ghost can exist because her origin time is 2091 but she herself can not travel beyond her origin time.
Lol i have one more question. Why Kim Manok had 13% matched DNA with Ghost? If the existence of Kim Manok just…
In a way, yes, there are many. It's just that they can not be in proximity with each other because the "latest" (or "older") version will always trump the earlier version.
There are only multiple copies of himself as far as time travel is concerned. Let's say the Ghost met an earlier version of Sae Ha, that's one version of Sae Ha. Later, the Ghost meets up with the Sae Ha in 2022 who picked up Sae Byeok, her daughter, and Eo Jin, that's another version of Sae Ha.
But, technically speaking, there will always be only one Sae Ha, who will always need to die in 2021 by the hands of Man Ok.
Is it possible to have a totally different version of Sae Ha? I believe it is.
Let's say the time traveling Sae Ha did not visit the year 2002 after he changed reality. That means, the Sae Ha of that reality still exists.
Sometime later, that Sae Ha acquired a time traveling device and started to time travel.
Now, we have two independent Sae Ha, with different pasts and experiences.
Can they meet? What will happen if they do, who will replace who, if the other Sae Ha also came from 2021?
That, we can not answer because the show did not touch on that. We can try but it's going to be "fan fiction".
But, it is indeed possible. (I think I saw this setup in another show or book.)
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Interesting. It did not occur to me to look at it that way. Thank you very much for sharing. ^_^
Yeah, that makes a lot sense now. You're way better in articulating your ideas than I do.
Yes, exactly like that when the Growing Block Universe and Relative Time are combined. There is the "relative origin time" and "relative personal time". Indeed, each is a block, what is "past" to a traveler is also their present which is also affecting other blocks.
I love how you fit in the "layers" in there. Perfect fit!
You should create a blog. ^_^ Your explanation should live and be part of history.
The 'looking at his device', I only noticed it after I re-watched the series. Since I already have questions I'm searching, I focused more on finding answers than the entertainment value--and also I took down notes of the interesting parts so I don't have to return again. I've always wondered what he was referring to and … lols, eureka moment when I noticed him looking down at his device.
Still I mistook it to mean there was something in the light. I eventually took screengrabs of the two devices but can not find anything. I was about to give up when it hit me, the devices are not the same. LOLs.
I went back and forth, looked at it side-by-side, yeah, definitely not the same!
I agree, the clues are deeply hidden and too fast for anyone to notice. They got carried away with hiding stuff. I think I wasted 40 minutes just for that device analysis, and what he meant by "it's not me, can't you see".
They did focus on the devices but who would've thought to pay attention to it. LOLs.
Still, I don't get why Sae Ha said "blue light" in that 9-year old Sae Ha scene. If everything they included in the show is a clue for something, that one is very elusive.
But yeah, "bad 'show don't tell'" in a lot of areas. I just dedicated time to find the answers because they used theories rarely used in fiction, and I want to find answers too. If it was a time travel story based on the usual theories, I won't even re-watch it and be content with what we have already.
As for the "layers" … it sounds like timelines but not. I can't put it into words but you are getting somewhere. Thank you for sharing.
I'll try to think it over and see if I can understand it more. ^_^
Re: Father … it changed a little bit. Instead of father, it's direct ancestor (who was shown in one of the episode). Definitely not Ma Nok though ;)
Re: Father … it changed a little bit. Instead of father, it's direct ancestor (who was shown in one of the episode). Definitely not Ma Nok though ;)
Do refresh the main page of Grid, I posted a new comment with the link. (I'm avoiding re-posting the link but trigger some anti-spam script.)
Fair warning: this is very long. I compiled the Q&A in the previous thread, updated what needs updating, I re-watched all 10 episodes and jotted down notes (and dialogues), and kept on re-analysing the whole series.
I had to rewrite the entire article 4 times because just when I was ready to publish it, EUREKA! There is a better explanation.
Things that changed since my last reply in the comments below:
1. Sae Ha survived. This is 100% solid!
2. Corrected the birth date of the Ghost. She did not come from 2091, she was born in 2091. This have important implications: (a) Byeori is more likely not her mother but her grandmother; and (b) her 13% DNA match with Ma Nok makes even more sense (backed by real science) … he is the Ghost's great grand uncle on her paternal side. Yes, you read that right.
3. There are two Blue Time Travelers (although 1 actor)
4. The question "if there is no Grid then the Founder/Ghost would not exist so there is no one to install the Grid" dilemma is also answered. There are 7 versions of May 18, 1997.
5. The Ghost did appear at the same time in 6 laboratories around the world, she visited one after another. However, it does not mean it is not possible … when she showed up in IRR (7th laboratory she visited), she overlapped her appearance in 3 other laboratories.
And many, many more!
I hope it's all worth it. ^_^
Enjoy reading!
(original thread of QnA: https://kisskh.at/690687-zero#comment-9405843 )
I just meant to please do share because your perspective will be different. Just pointing out that you are a science student and we're not, which means, you'll see things differently and have more knowledge, possibly read more papers, than most of us. ^_^
I think you will all love this new version. ^_^
But again, it's your choice. Just offering up that option.
1. I think I figured out who the Ghost's father is. - I'm 99% sure on this one.
2. I think I found out why the DNA of the Ghost was corrupted. - I'm 50-50 on this one currently.
3. I think I found the answer to the dilemma of the Grid == if the Grid doesn't exist, there is no Ghost. If there is no Ghost, there is no Grid. So how was the Grid installed?
It was not a time loop.
It was not a time bubble.
There is a perfect answer. ^_^ It's somewhere in the last few episodes but can be very easily missed.
I'll have the 1st and 3rd items in my article tomorrow. The 2nd item, I hope I can include it.
For Grid ==> My "Grid Explained" post will be up before Sunday ends globally (UTC-12).
Probably some were answered already. If you have questions which were not answered yet, or something is still confusing, feel free to ask in that thread. ^_^
I'm also two-thirds done compiling all the questions, I'll have it published in my blog tomorrow.
Yeah, it appears that she's around in 2021 for a very deep reason. While it appears she failed the distraction of the Grid in 2022, she now have a team of time travelers instead of working alone.
Bigger chance of preventing the Grid's destruction … or, they can build backup systems and support for the Grid those who are against it doesn't know.
Initially, I was thinking that it can't be the Growing Block because the Ghost already exists. For it to apply, we'll need to identity what is the "present".
But now that you explained it, it makes more sense, especially if Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is applied: time is relative to the observer.
Combined, the future is yet to be relative to the origin time of a time traveler.
The Ghost can exist because her origin time is 2091 but she herself can not travel beyond her origin time.
OOh, I love that. Perfectly fits!
There are only multiple copies of himself as far as time travel is concerned. Let's say the Ghost met an earlier version of Sae Ha, that's one version of Sae Ha. Later, the Ghost meets up with the Sae Ha in 2022 who picked up Sae Byeok, her daughter, and Eo Jin, that's another version of Sae Ha.
But, technically speaking, there will always be only one Sae Ha, who will always need to die in 2021 by the hands of Man Ok.
Is it possible to have a totally different version of Sae Ha? I believe it is.
Let's say the time traveling Sae Ha did not visit the year 2002 after he changed reality. That means, the Sae Ha of that reality still exists.
Sometime later, that Sae Ha acquired a time traveling device and started to time travel.
Now, we have two independent Sae Ha, with different pasts and experiences.
Can they meet? What will happen if they do, who will replace who, if the other Sae Ha also came from 2021?
That, we can not answer because the show did not touch on that. We can try but it's going to be "fan fiction".
But, it is indeed possible. (I think I saw this setup in another show or book.)