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My favorite one is YothaGun, i'll miss them 😭❤️

True!! Santa is so eye-catching

Everytime i think about this i almost cry, the scenes that we lost because of the direction, and even with a perfect and talented cp as PerthSanta is. New should be thankful that they still delivered even with the story messed up. I shouldn't have read their books before the series, i was too anxious, otherwise i wouldn't be mad with the situation now. Yotha was such a good character and green flag in the book, i love him there. But eitherway, i love PerthSanta, they made their emotional scenes and their overall arc so good for me, but the credit goes only to them.

Seriously!! The ones i care the most are there, BounPrem and Santa, i only hope that Boun has a final voice there since he is the screenwriter and it was his project idea to begin with. But i don't know if New Siwaj can handle a dark series like a Vampires one. I want (need) it to be good, it's the first BP series under GMMTV and Santa in a total different character, i pray for the best

In the book, Gun takes a little longer to ask Yotha for an answer, but since it is only 8 episodes and there's another drama from the book to come, they needed to rush with this part of the story quick. I guess that explain why it seems too soon but i understand what you say

They don't know what they want at this point. Also the same person who commented about Yotha characters and YothaGun relationship, not long ago commented "Booooring" in the beginning of their arc. They are given some reasons to discuss about points of view here but they don't want it anymore. They are healthy and lovely (like in the first episodes of yothagun), and suddenly is boring.

Exactly, thank you. I was reading through the comments here and there, and it seems people are looking for green flags and healthy relationships. But honestly, how many real-life couples are actually that perfect and ideal? I have issues with a lot of the characters here, but all of that just gives us reasons to discuss and exchange thoughts. It speaks to the depth of the story. It might not be executed perfectly 100% of the time is fair, but it’s noticeable that the characters’ traits have a reason behind them. However, it seems like the director isn’t addressing those elements properly or isn’t handling that part of the story as well as they could. But from the very beginning, it was said that their arc would involve drama and trauma, what were people expecting from that starting point with green flags and healthy relationships? what would be the conflict? i might not have enough imagination to come up with a story for that, sorry.

I think Yotha is similar to Khai from Theory of Love and how Third suffered because of Khai’s lack of emotional responsibility. Let’s not forget that JittiRain wrote this, and she loves using these tropes. That said, I’m okay with the criticism this time because, at least, it’s not targeting Perth’s acting skills, unlike how Santa’s character was received before, which was totally nonsense in my opinion.

i think YothaGun characters have more depht than ArcArm's, they are showing their struggles in addition their romantic storyline. But other than that i think both arcs are good in it's own way. Like one user said before, ArcArm arc is comedy with a touch of romance (or comedy focused), and YothaGun is more romance with a touch of comedy. You can have your preferences on what you want to watch and it is good they have this clear difference. But both are pretty good, as you said Arm, Po and Sand nailed the first part, i bow to them.

yesss to all you said!!! on point

I got you! I think their bond starts forming because of their shared traumas, with Gun's character feeling like the opposite extreme of how Yotha deals with his pain, two sides of the same coin. I don't exactly know why Yotha's way of coping is widely accepted, while Gun's cheerful, high-energy approach is often questioned or dismissed. But i think it’s because that level of happiness and excitement, like Gun's, isn’t commonly seen in adults and as i said those adults that fit Gun's character are not taken seriously, as we tend to express seriousness or muted emotions more often, making Gun feel less relatable to many. But even that, Gun is really mature but not the way the expect it or they just choose don't see it because he smiles a lot, or he is excited and expressive at everything.
People seems to expect Santa to overtly show Gun’s dark side to validate his pain, but the truth is people don't always reveal their struggles in obvious ways, both in fiction and real life. Gun and Yotha both carry trauma but express it differently, one way is just more socially accepted (at some extent, obviously not entirely) while the other is judged right away, taking into account that viewers already know about Gun's trauma and they are not inside the series. While critique can be valid, it feels unfair to dismiss a character just because their personality doesn't match typical expectations of emotional depth. Not everyone copes the same way, and that deserves to be acknowledged. I'm glad to discuss this with someone that seems to understand or try to see beyond the surface, sorry if i offend someone by saying it.

True! Thank you for saying that. It's always the same comments from the same people. It's a shame they can't see the emotional depth Gun has and instead quickly label him as just a "childlike" character. He's actually showing his vulnerability in many scenes, but his coping mechanism constantly brings him back to that cheerful front. It's often easier to recognize emotional struggles when a character is dark or serious. However, when it comes to a bright, happy character like Gun, they tend to reduce him to mere comic relief or question 'why is he like this?' in a negative way. I understand people might be tired of similar tropes and character types, but Gun is so much more than they're making him out to be. It's really unfair because Santa is doing a meticulous job portraying him, and it's not being properly appreciated.

Also, those who constantly uplift others often carry a lot themselves and it happens in real life too, cheerful and overly positive people are not taken seriously or are looked superficially, and most of them use this behavior as a shield and to not bother others with their issues.

Sorry if i made you think that way. I see your point and it is valid, but i disagree. Different person, different opinions. I won't go through why i think this way because i did it in a comment right below this one. You're invited to read it if you want. This is a discussion board and i was intended to discussing it. Have a nice day!

Where he is acting like 6 years old? I knew that you would answer that so if you can give me the scenes you think he is being like 6 y/o would be great

There's a comment down below that you may read that point what you are saying from user Arthenha, so you can refer to that.

---> Some people need to know the difference between childish and somebody who is just a happy bundle of energy

I know it's a lot but if you want to read my response, go ahead.

I'm not watching Forever You, so I can't really comment on what you're pointing out. Does North have any background story or depth beyond being cheerful and happy? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know anything about the character.

Gun isn't a plain role, and it's actually hard to tell at first if you haven't read the book. So I get where you're coming from. His character has trauma, and he's not always happy and cheerful. In the first book, it may seem that way, and many readers can found him noisy, but that's actually the point. His exaggerated cheerfulness is meant to irritate Perth's character in a very comedic way. Thai people loves these kinds of animated characters.
If you look at previous Jittirain roles, like Tine in 2gether, you'll notice that Western audiences don't usually enjoy this type of portrayal, but it's quite popular among Asian viewers. So, it's more about what Santa was instructed to do for the role and let me tell you, he's doing an excellent job. I've read the book, and I'm rereading it now while watching the series, and Santa has actually toned Gun down a lot compared to the book. He's truly embodying the character and even excels it. I prefer his portrayal in the series over the original Gun in the book.

As I said, in the first book, Gun isn't shown with much depth. But when you get to the second book, you really start to empathize with him. He can be very dull or sad, and he uses this exaggerated cheerfulness as a coping mechanism while trying to make others happy. The second book goes into a much sadder side of him, and I think we're getting close to seeing that in the series. Santa is stunning when it comes to portraying complex emotions and ambivalent behaviors, and I’m confident he’ll nail the angst and emotional depth that's coming.

About what you mentioned feeling unrealistic, I actually think the show is handling that part of the plot quite well. There are plenty of scenes where Gun subtly reveals his true self, or at least hints at his struggles, with micro-expressions that Santa plays really well. Gun tends to put others first and neglect himself just to maintain friendships and keep the mood light. For example, when Faifa asks him if it's okay to leave only the lamps on, he shifts for a second, showing a more vulnerable side, but quickly snaps back to his cheerful self. Or the scene outside the bar when Yotha invites him, Gun seems unsure and scared but forces a big smile to lighten the mood. Another example is in the café when Yotha covers him with his jacket. You can clearly see Gun dropping his "happy pill" persona for a moment as he starts opening up.

One scene that really stood out to me was when Yotha had a fever, and Gun brought him hot soy milk. Gun offered to give him a sponge bath, and Yotha refused, saying he had already showered. Then Gun replied with, "Are you crazy? How did you even grow up?" and Yotha, turns serious and answer with "I grew up by myself. I didn’t die, did I?" Gun immediately backed off, saying, "That's not what I meant. I don't like stressful things. Let's eat" and shifted back into his sunshine persona, clearly avoiding any serious confrontation. That's a trauma response, and you can see that sometimes he forces those smiles.

Also, something I didn't quite catch from the book is Kong’s role. In the series, they changed it so Kong and Gun already knew each other from high school, while in the book, they met during the interview process. There's something quite unsettling about how Gun handles friendships. Kong didn’t even know Gun was afraid of sleeping in the dark, which feels odd if they are such close friends. And in the last episode, when Gun joked with Yotha about his family welcoming him with a red carpet because he never had any friends, it really made me wonder if Kong was his only friend in highschool. Also his mom insisting more than once about him making new friends and even Gun always talks about that. It doesn't feel like is for the sake of the plot but instead a way to highlight Gun's issues with forming deep connections. And Yotha, with his own trauma, seems to see right through Gun's mask and vice versa.

So, in conclusion, I get why the last three episodes may have made Gun seem like this overly bubbly, annoying kid which you find fake and unrealistic. Which respectfully i disagree since his character is so rich and layered. But, his subtle mood shifts can be easy to miss or overlooked. Since I've read the book, I know the angst and trauma reveal is coming, and that's when you can see Gun portrayed in a much more realistic and relatable way. As for the editing and sound effects, I agree they're overusing them. Some are cute and fitting, but most could be toned down a lot or removed would be better, but i have seen reactions of their target audiences (southeast asians) and they love it so.

Right! Both Yotha and Gun are not two-dimensional characters. In fact, they have a lot of layers due to their trauma, and the way Perth and Santa perform their roles, hinting at their true selves through body language, eyes, and micro-expressions in scenes like the ones you have mentioned (the bar or with his seniors), these are not being taken into account, or is being skimmed over

I completely understand if you don't like Gun character, but since you mentioned that is not convincing for you, could you please expand on it? We may have different opinion on this and it can be interesting to discuss

Right!!?? it was so short, i didn't even noticed and i was already at 4/4. It is somehow addicting

yes, pleasee . I know what you mean about the age difference in physical appearence and it does not make sense he is younger than Perth. But Faifa is so perfect played by Junior, that he makes us forget about that. And also Faifa is an awesome character, love him, either in the book or in the series, is exactly the same

He might look older, but if you've read the book, there's no gmmtv actor who could play Faifa better than him. Actually, Faifa is my favorite character when reading the novel, and when I saw him acting the role and got to know Junior off-screen, I realized he was the best cast among all the P10L. He seriously brings Faifa out of the book, and his looks fade into the background. It's insane how true to the book his performance is