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Jun is not Tai's real brother but Win is. Jun, Tai and Win all grew up together and are really close. Jun and Tai call each other brother because they are close like brother's but they aren't really related in any way. But they are so close that Tai said he wished his parents could adopt Jun. Sorn explains this to his brother in episode 9. But yes the subs are pretty terrible.

That's not really the reason though the synopsis up above is wrong. He said the reason he is doing it is because he thought Chi Cheng was messing with him on purpose causing him to lose 3 different jobs just because he is the ex of Chi Cheng's girlfriend. But that was a misunderstanding. I mean Chi Cheng did mess up his jobs but not because he is his girlfriends ex because Chi Cheng doesn't even know that. But I guess you could still call him a snake though for doing it at all.

YES!! or at least soon

I understand what you are saying. @FaeryRockMajesty gave a very detailed analysis of Sorn's behavior and his thinking up above. She explained it better than I ever could.

And I get you being frustrated that Sorn's "logic" was never questioned but who was supposed to question it? No one knew what was going on. No one knew that him and Jun had a sex buddy thing going on. No one knew that Sorn kept using Tai as an excuse for every thing with Jun. They knew that he called Jun a kid but Tai and Champ also call him kid so they probably didn't think anything about it. They didn't know that Sorn was saying that he couldn't date Jun because he is a kid but yet was sleeping with him. How were they supposed to question something they didn't even know about?

The only one who knew what was going on and could have and should have questioned it is Jun. But he chose not to question it and just kept going along with it and allowing it to happen which just shows he didn't make very logical decisions either. And the only reason I can think of that he didn't question it is because he had feelings for Sorn and because of the mixed signals Sorn kept giving Jun had hope. But that hope got shattered when he heard Sorn's conversation with his brother so he finally decided to question it.

And as soon as Tai found out he called Sorn out and questioned it as well. Should Jun have questioned it a lot sooner? Probably but at least it's being questioned now and Sorn is having to face the consequences.

Love this!! Beautifully explained!! Thank You!!

Love this !!

The whole point is that Sorn wasn't thinking clearly. He was so consumed and overwhelmed by his feelings for Jun that he couldn't help himself or think clearly. He never wanted to have feelings for Jun or any younger person but you can't control your heart so despite not wanting to he started having feelings for Jun.

The whole sex buddy thing was because he thought that way he could be with Jun without anyone knowing and then he wouldn't face criticism/judgement/accusations from people about him being with someone younger. Because actually his worry wasn't just about being accused by someone younger again it was also because of all the hate and harassment that he got from the people in his town after his ex lied on him. He was told that because she was younger (only by a year I think) and even though she was at the age of consent in Thailand that just him dating her meant he was taking advantage of her and he got called a predator for being with someone younger. Even though it was proved that he didn't do anything wrong every one still blamed him anyways because he was older and shouldn't have been with someone younger. Him and his parents even had to apologize to the girl and her parents even though she was the one who lied, just to try and calm the situation. But it didn't work and people still hated Sorn and harassed him. The harassment was so bad he left his hometown and moved to Bangkok which is where he met and became friends with Tai and met Jun. He didn't fall for Jun till a few years after what had happened with his ex. He was in high school when the thing with the ex happened and 21 when he met Jun and fell for Jun when he was 18.

He also thought with the whole sex buddy thing he could be with Jun without facing Tai's wrath. Although if Sorn had been honest maybe Tai wouldn't have been so mad, I think the reason he was mad is because of the way Sorn handled everything. He had his worries/fears but at the same time couldn't let Jun go because he does really like him. Were his actions selfish? Absolutely, Were they hurtful to Jun? Of course, Did he mean to hurt Jun? I don't think so. He is just a flawed person who made some bad choices because he couldn't handle/control his feelings and he didn't think about the consequences. Do his fears or choices make sense? Maybe not to us but to him they did at the time.

Love this analysis!! I think you nailed it!!

Yes!! Awesome response!!

I'm sorry for what you had to go through. It makes sense that you would see through Jun's eyes.

It's true that people view what they watch through their own experiences and that is ok. But for me I can admit that my original view and thought on this situation with Jun and Sorn was wrong and I'm ok with that.

Honestly I've always supported Jun and wanted better for him because we all know Sorn is a mess (haven't given up on him though). But because of my own experience I let that one sentence get to me and take me out of the whole scene and it was all I could focus on. I didn't put the situation into context or consider the situation as a whole that lead to that point. And that wasn't right. After reading some comments about it especially @oddsare's I realized I was too harsh on Jun in that scene. I knew I needed to take a step back and look at it with fresh eyes. And I'm glad I did because after watching it again with it all in context it really opened my eyes. The second time once I removed my own experience from it, I really felt Jun's pain and frustration in that moment. And then instead of being frustrated because of that one sentence I was frustrated on behalf of Jun. I'm so glad I gave it a second watch.

I agree about conversations like this being important and also agree that it's not often to see these kinds of conversations here. You are very right about name calling and smack talking. I actually don't even comment on MDL very often specifically because of that. You never know when someone is going to come at you starting an argument and name calling just because your opinion is different. But I do come here every day and read comments and occasionally if there is a comment that I feel drawn to I will comment.

I have actually had conversations with @oddsare before and have always gotten kind and understanding replies. Actual conversation instead of arguments even if we have had different opinions it always remained kind and civil. That is why I felt comfortable enough to open up today and have this discussion. And I want to thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply as well.

It is very refreshing to be able to read an actual conversation where people share their thoughts/opinions and discuss them without it turning ugly. It's also very refreshing to be able to be a part of such a conversation. So I sincerely want to thank both you and @oddsare.

He doesn't appear to have feelings for anyone. He was just sent by Tony to "capture" Charlie and bring him back to Tony and he is to use whatever way he has to to do it. His approach has been to cause a rift between Charlie and Babe to separate them because he thinks it will be easier to get Charlie that way. But Charlie has already found out about it and what Tony's plan is so what Willy's doing won't work.

You're Welcome!! It does leave an impact but I have to keep reminding myself that not everyone's situation is the same and to try to control my emotions.

When you calm down and take a step back and try to look at things with fresh eyes and a different perspective it can really help understand the situation better. It was definitely more about his desperation for clarity. He wasn't trying to control or pressure Sorn. Like you said he just had reached his breaking point and actually after watching it again I feel so sorry for Jun. You can really tell his confusion and vulnerability. And the look on his face after Sorn said "Thanks" was the look of someone broken. But yet still after that he still had sex with Sorn the next day because Sorn was till giving mixed signals and Jun still had hope. Makes me even angrier at Sorn.

That is so true about raw emotions and tequila. It's hard enough to find the right words just when you are emotional but add alcohol into the mix and it's pretty much impossible. I'm trying to give grace where it's due. Not so sure If I did it beautifully but thanks!!

I'm the type of person who doesn't mind admitting when I'm wrong. I actually like hearing other people's points of views/perspectives because I sometimes find out things that I didn't know before or didn't understand or think about and it helps me see things differently and understand them better. After reading yours and some other peoples takes on the situation I realized I needed to take a step back watch it again and think of it in a different way instead of just basing it off my experience, and it really helped. So thanks for your wonderful perspective and comment.

I'll admit that I was one of those saying he was "pressuring" Sorn at first just because of the wording he used. The "You HAVE to say it back" really rubbed me the wrong way.

I've been in a situation where I was told not just by one person but several people that I HAD to do this and that and Couldn't do this or that. I was the one hurt and traumatized but was being told by several people that I HAD to forgive the person, I HAD to let it go and forget what happened,, I HAD to give the person another chance even though they never apologized or took responsibility for what they did, I COULDN'T turn my back on that person or cut them out of my life. The difference is I was told this repeatedly for a while and I felt very pressured like they were trying to force me into something I wasn't comfortable with. And my response was NO why do I have to do these things? Why do they not have to apologize and try to earn forgiveness? When this tactic didn't work they resorted to trying to make me feel guilty and told me I was an ungrateful B*tch. So yeah the "You HAVE to" didn't sit well with me. It bugs me any time and every time someone says that to someone else. But that's my problem.

But after getting past my frustration with that sentence and watching the scene again I understand that with Jun and Sorn it wasn't pressuring. Jun is the one who was hurt so he has a right to demand answers and clarity and he deserves it. Plus he only said it to Sorn once not repeatedly to the point where it would become pressuring. I just wish they had chosen better wording for that like him just straight out asking Sorn did he like him or what they were? But again that's my problem. Him saying it like that did sound bad but he was hurt and drunk in that moment and the entire situation he's been in is a mess so I decided to overlook the wording and focus on what he's going through. When you put it into context and take into consideration every thing that's been going on and he's dealing with it makes it more clear that it wasn't "pressure". Thanks for breaking it down it really helped and maybe it will help others understand.

I'm not denying any of this about Sorn lol!! Everything he has done has been questionable no doubt. It's just the wording Jun used in that scene didn't feel right to me. I just felt if someone demanded a confession from me I would feel pressured. But I honestly hadn't thought about it in the way that you and @Honglou Meng explained it. I went back to watch that scene again and I see your point now and the way you explained it makes sense.

I see your point. I went back and watched that scene again and your explanation makes sense. I just felt that if someone said that to me I would feel pressured but I hadn't thought about it in the way that you explained it so thanks for giving me another perspective. I also like both and don't want to condemn them either. And I agree it wouldn't be fiction without the mess.

So you don't think that someone saying "I told you I like you so you have to say it back" is pressuring? I understand Jun wants clarity and yes he deserves it but telling Sorn that he HAS to say that he likes him isn't quite right. There are better ways he could have asked for clarity like just straight up asking Sorn what they were and did Sorn like him instead of telling him he HAS to say that he likes him. Telling someone that they HAVE to do something can come across as pressuring. But of course that's just my opinion. And of course I'm not saying that what Sorn did was right because obviously it wasn't. Just saying that I can see why people might think that Jun was pressuring Sorn for a confession because of the way he said it.

Exactly!! I get softhearted too. I can't even lie by the end of this episode I had already gone soft on Sorn. As soon as he finally admitted that he has feelings I was all mush and just like aww ok now go tell Jun and get your man. Obviously I know it needs to be harder than that for him and that Jun shouldn't give in too easily after everything that Sorn is done which is why I'm ok with their still being angst next episode but also won't mind if they reconcile towards the end of the episode so we can get past the angst and get to the couple stuff. But yeah we will see how it goes.

Pretty sure it's gonna be before then though. It's likely gonna be next episode. There is still more story after they get together that won't fit if they don't speed up the reconciliation. On the new episode schedule poster beside episode 10 they have hearts so what else could that mean if not reconciliation? I get people's frustration though but me personally can't stand a lot of angst so just be glad when it's over whenever that is.

I agree with you but I'm pretty sure they reconcile next episode. They have to speed up the reconciliation because they still have more story after they become a couple. And it will probably take the last 2 episodes to complete the story after they get together.And plus usually when they put those pictures/symbols like that next to it it means whatever is going to be happening with the main couple. But what else would hearts mean anyways? Hearts men love which means a reconciliation. The main story focuses on them so it is definitely referring to them. But like I said they will probably reconcile towards the end of the episode. It's possible I could be wrong but according to that picture I think reconciliation is very likely next episode.

If you mean the separation I don't think so. Judging by the newest picture that was posted of the schedule beside episode 10 it has hearts so I'm pretty sure they reconcile next episode. Probably in the second half because by the preview there will still be angst too.

https://kisskh.at/photos/DkLm7p_3

Well Jun is probably taking him back next episode probably in the second half. Beside episode 10 in this picture there are hearts so pretty sure that means reconciliation.

https://kisskh.at/photos/DkLm7p_3