Like in straight dramas, the harasser are straight girls/boys...just like that in gay dramas they are gay.And…
I think y'all can't see the issue here: since the golden age of hollywood, femme/queer characthers have been depicted as dangerous, harassers and much more. This ISN'T the same thing as a bad straight guy.
To put femme gay/trans women as a threat is a stereotype that is VERY, VERY VERY harmfull for the community. This have been done countless times in thai media, including BL. Gays CAN be bad, can do shit, can be villains. But WHY are the gays always the villains or comic relief in mainstream lakorns? WHY femme gays are put as a threat on BLs?
Maybe you're too young or doesn't understand how this kind of media works. Go watch The Celluloid Closet and Disclousure before saying "gays and straights villains are the same bla bla bla"
what's wrong with that? a harasser must always be straight? why don't you just consider him as 'a harasser' instead…
Are you playing dumb just to piss me off? Don’t start with double standards. Straight and gay/femme representations on the media aren’t the same. Thai series almost every single time depict femme/gays as predators. It’s almost the only representation femmes get aside being a joke. WE DONT NEED THIS SHIT ANYMORE. If you live in a colorful world were Code Hays hasn’t made LGBT characters be represented as threats to the heroes all over the world or queercoding villains, fine, but don’t come bullshit me here.
what's wrong with that? a harasser must always be straight? why don't you just consider him as 'a harasser' instead…
No, but all BLs put femmes as harrassers and when mascs harass they are depicted as hot. Don't dare say I'm homophobic cause of that, YOU normalizing this depiction as valid representation that is extremily homophobix. If you don't see the problem on that, then the problem is on you
Some jokes are REALLY outdated. The homophobia of Tonhon wasn't even what bothered me most cause I know they'll evolve with his characther, but putting a femme characther as a harasser... really? It only worked on 2gether cause green had his own plot besides being a creep.
No, It’s not. The exact opposite. Teh likes Oh Aew masculine chest, he likes it so much that makes Oh Aew think…
See his face expressions. Not at a single second he seemed interested on Oh Aew picture, but he felt something for the actor. They probably wanted to show that Teh always felt something for the actor.
No, It’s not. The exact opposite. Teh likes Oh Aew masculine chest, he likes it so much that makes Oh Aew think…
"Then we have Teh and Oh-Aew's hot scene where he stops touching him when he realized that he had lust for a breast that is not feminine"
The theory this person is talking about is the one where Teh is disgusted by Oh Aew not having breasts. As you said, that's definitly not the case.
"Oh-Aew posts that picture on Instagram and that vision makes Teh feels horny."
No, he didn't. Rewatch the scene. He sees the phone, feels confused by why OH Aew did that (maybe he felt guilty for making Oh Aew think that if he had breasts he would like him onpenly), put the phone down, looks at the picture of the actor and then feels horny. We can't read his mind if it was guilt or even disgust by Oh Aew photo, but for a fact he felt horny by the actor.
"While I personally believe that BL stories should never, ever end sadly," that makes absolutely no sense, but…
First you have to detach the pre conceptions of the BL market you made up for you based on a handful thai BLs.
BL isn't a genre, is a market/demographic. It is a fantasy, but not necessarily a happy one. Female authors on post war Japan wrote works where they could create stories without some usual gender barriers it would have if it were mlf. Since the beggining, there were a lot of sad and tragic endings, as well as happy endings.
What crosses the line between a BL or not depends on the country, but the basis is the same: it's a work that features somehow a sexual OR romantic (there's no need to be both) relationships between the two male leads that is written/produced for the BL demographic. It usually follows some archtypes (such as uke/seme dynamics), but it's not an obligation.
Some exemples: > Banana Fish features a uke/seme relationship, but it was published by a Shoujo author on a shoujo magazine. It has a tragic ending and it's not a BL. > The Night Beyond The Triconored Window (to be a live action on 2021) has been published on a BL magazine, despite the romantic relationship being a minor part of the work. > Double Mints (manga and live action) feature a toxic tragic relationship between two mafia members. It was published on a BL magazine, so even with tragic/toxic ending, it is BL.
Since you seem to not know a lot about japanese BL, let's use Thai BL exemples: > Bangkok Love Story and Dew The Movie ARE NOT BLs, even though they feature MLM relationships > The Shipper isn't a BL. It's a parody on the shipping world. It tackles stereotypes of the BL market, but it's not a BL work > The Effect is a tragic novel written and published by a BL publishing company. It's live action is BL too. > Friendzone, Bangkok Love Stories Innocence, Diary of Tootsies are shows that feature LGBT characthers as their main leads, but it isn't aimed at the BL market, isn't an adaptation of a BL work and aren't BLs
There are lots of tragic thai BL novels, they just weren't adapted into live actions. You presuming that "BL" is a happy ending fantasy is a misconception based on the engeneering plots live action thai BL have been giving us.
"While I personally believe that BL stories should never, ever end sadly," that makes absolutely no sense, but…
I'm just pointing out that your belief is unfunded if we study how the BL market/genre (it's not a genre) works, it's just a categorization you made for you and should not be put as an requirement for something to be BL or not. It's not the public who say what is BL or not
"While I personally believe that BL stories should never, ever end sadly," that makes absolutely no sense, but…
BL is about fantasy, but not always is a happy fantasy. It can be about two mafia man being hunted (Double Mints) or even a Stockholm Syndrome (Dangerous Drugs, Killing Stalking).
Just watched episode 4 and confirmed that my breast theory is correct. On the last scene of episode 3, Billkin…
No, It’s not. The exact opposite. Teh likes Oh Aew masculine chest, he likes it so much that makes Oh Aew think that he wishes he had breast cause both know in what environment Teh grew up. Teh has liked men for ages, but as a teenage boy he’s still trying to figure things out. All this confusion even made Oh Aew question his gender identity, all because Teh can’t admit he likes men.
BL and LGBT themed movies are different things in Thailand. What Perth said was that he doesn't want to have a shipped couple/promote a BL anymore. Anyone who followed the drama of LBC1 knows what happened. The same interview he said this no more BL thing, he said he was willing to do LGBT themed dramas/movie if the script was good.
...the masturbation scene.Does anyone have an idea why he broke down? Was it because he actually got aroused by…
I don't think that we can put as simple as "Teh was always straight"
He already confessed he had feeling for Oh Aew for a long time. This masturbation scene showed that his attraction to that actor wasn't new. But have you seen how is his mother? She is always asking him about girlfriends and grandsons. Teh feels the presure, so he have always denied his feelings. All gay/bi boys feel obligated to talk about women while with their teenage friends.
To put femme gay/trans women as a threat is a stereotype that is VERY, VERY VERY harmfull for the community. This have been done countless times in thai media, including BL. Gays CAN be bad, can do shit, can be villains. But WHY are the gays always the villains or comic relief in mainstream lakorns? WHY femme gays are put as a threat on BLs?
Maybe you're too young or doesn't understand how this kind of media works. Go watch The Celluloid Closet and Disclousure before saying "gays and straights villains are the same bla bla bla"
WE DONT NEED THIS SHIT ANYMORE.
If you live in a colorful world were Code Hays hasn’t made LGBT characters be represented as threats to the heroes all over the world or queercoding villains, fine, but don’t come bullshit me here.
Don't dare say I'm homophobic cause of that, YOU normalizing this depiction as valid representation that is extremily homophobix. If you don't see the problem on that, then the problem is on you
The theory this person is talking about is the one where Teh is disgusted by Oh Aew not having breasts. As you said, that's definitly not the case.
"Oh-Aew posts that picture on Instagram and that vision makes Teh feels horny."
No, he didn't. Rewatch the scene. He sees the phone, feels confused by why OH Aew did that (maybe he felt guilty for making Oh Aew think that if he had breasts he would like him onpenly), put the phone down, looks at the picture of the actor and then feels horny. We can't read his mind if it was guilt or even disgust by Oh Aew photo, but for a fact he felt horny by the actor.
BL isn't a genre, is a market/demographic. It is a fantasy, but not necessarily a happy one. Female authors on post war Japan wrote works where they could create stories without some usual gender barriers it would have if it were mlf. Since the beggining, there were a lot of sad and tragic endings, as well as happy endings.
What crosses the line between a BL or not depends on the country, but the basis is the same: it's a work that features somehow a sexual OR romantic (there's no need to be both) relationships between the two male leads that is written/produced for the BL demographic. It usually follows some archtypes (such as uke/seme dynamics), but it's not an obligation.
Some exemples:
> Banana Fish features a uke/seme relationship, but it was published by a Shoujo author on a shoujo magazine. It has a tragic ending and it's not a BL.
> The Night Beyond The Triconored Window (to be a live action on 2021) has been published on a BL magazine, despite the romantic relationship being a minor part of the work.
> Double Mints (manga and live action) feature a toxic tragic relationship between two mafia members. It was published on a BL magazine, so even with tragic/toxic ending, it is BL.
Since you seem to not know a lot about japanese BL, let's use Thai BL exemples:
> Bangkok Love Story and Dew The Movie ARE NOT BLs, even though they feature MLM relationships
> The Shipper isn't a BL. It's a parody on the shipping world. It tackles stereotypes of the BL market, but it's not a BL work
> The Effect is a tragic novel written and published by a BL publishing company. It's live action is BL too.
> Friendzone, Bangkok Love Stories Innocence, Diary of Tootsies are shows that feature LGBT characthers as their main leads, but it isn't aimed at the BL market, isn't an adaptation of a BL work and aren't BLs
There are lots of tragic thai BL novels, they just weren't adapted into live actions. You presuming that "BL" is a happy ending fantasy is a misconception based on the engeneering plots live action thai BL have been giving us.
This is the kind of open ending I love the most.
From the ones I mentioned, only dangerous drugs and double mints have live actions.
BL never had the concept of being something good or pleasant. That's a concept you made up in your mind.
Teh has liked men for ages, but as a teenage boy he’s still trying to figure things out. All this confusion even made Oh Aew question his gender identity, all because Teh can’t admit he likes men.
Anyone who followed the drama of LBC1 knows what happened. The same interview he said this no more BL thing, he said he was willing to do LGBT themed dramas/movie if the script was good.
He already confessed he had feeling for Oh Aew for a long time. This masturbation scene showed that his attraction to that actor wasn't new. But have you seen how is his mother? She is always asking him about girlfriends and grandsons. Teh feels the presure, so he have always denied his feelings. All gay/bi boys feel obligated to talk about women while with their teenage friends.